Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

Does anyone know how many ISP’s there are and what are they called?

Hi Bert,
No, but have a look here...
https://www.google.com.cy/search?q=KKTC ... :1,lf_ui:2

If you scroll down the left, there are quite a few.
Not sure if that's the lot.

He didn't say "In TRNC" !!!

I was going to give ISP's for Timbuktu.
But thought, that's a bit silly

Here is a list of all authorized Service Providers:

http://www.bthk.org/tr/haberlesme-sagla ... gi-hizmeti

Thank you for those sensible responses
Appreciate it

Well Bert....ask a stupid question then people will answer you accordingly....say what you mean!

Thought it was obvious being a TRNC site. But hey ho if you want to insult people crack on

Bless.....

I had a problem with my Multimax connection this morning. I 'phoned Multimax at around 0930hrs, the operator diagnosed the fault and informed me that an engineer would contact me to recitfy same. At around 1130hrs I received a call from the engineer who arrived 5 minutes later, replaced the cable between the receiver and the router - all up an running within 10 minutes. That's what I call service, thank you Multimax.

Multimax is good during the day upto 20Mbps but the trouble is you always exceed your daily download limit of 6GB or 10GB and then they reduce the speed to something which is no good for any kind of streaming or Internet TV. Is there a better provider that offers unlimited downloads as that would be better for me.

quality25 wrote:Multimax is good during the day upto 20Mbps but the trouble is you always exceed your daily download limit of 6GB or 10GB and then they reduce the speed to something which is no good for any kind of streaming or Internet TV. Is there a better provider that offers unlimited downloads as that would be better for me.

Only about 10% of our customers exceed their limits on a given day.

Turkcell charges 75TL for 10GB usage EACH time AND they cut you off until you buy a new package.

MM allows UNLIMITED USAGE between midnight and 4pm that is not counted for anything and a further UNLIMITED usage of 10GB usage between 4pm and midnight before only reducing your speed JUST ON THAT DAT that resets everynight at around 2am for only about little less than 6TL PER DAY.

And people call us expensive... Gotta love the logic...

quality25 wrote:Multimax is good during the day upto 20Mbps but the trouble is you always exceed your daily download limit of 6GB or 10GB and then they reduce the speed to something which is no good for any kind of streaming or Internet TV.

At the risk of being perceived as sounding aggressive and or confrontational I would like to try and address this idea that because of MM's fair usage policies it is not possible to stream 'any kind of internet tv' (through peak hours).

If by 'any kind of streaming or internet TV' you mean something like BBC iPlayer at 'standard' quality (effectively higher quality than dvd), then you can indeed stream such constantly and all through peak hours, irrespective of our fair usage policies. I know this as fact by both the 'maths' and by direct personal experience.

The maths

BBC iPlayer standard quality streams require 1.5Mb/s (according to the BBC). 1.5 mega bits per second = 0.1875 mega bytes per second = 11.25 mega bytes per minute = 675 mega bytes per hour. 3 Gb (giga bytes) = 3072 mega bytes

Even on our lower tier gold package this means if you start streaming at 4pm (anything before this would be unlimited anyway) and this is all you are doing, after 4.5 hours of constant streaming (3072 mega bytes / 675 mega bytes per hour) at this rate your connection would move from 'as fast as the device allows' (in you case around 20Mbs) to be limited to 3 Mb/s. 3 mb/s is still double the speed required for a BBC iPlayer standard quality stream. After a further 4.5 hours, making a total of 9 hours and taking you to 1am, your speed would then be limited to 2Mb/s for one more hour when your speed would reset back to 'as fast as the device allows' and even then should still be enough to service a 1.5Mb/s stream. MM would in reality recommend our platinum tier package as more suitable for those looking to stream video content constantly through peak hours but even with gold level such constant streaming is possible.

Of course if you are using streams that require more than BBC iPlayer's standard quality 1.5Mb/s streams require and or if you are also consuming significant amounts of data from other usage on top of and in addition to that required for the streaming video during peak hours then you may find that you have issues with streaming constantly through peak hours using our lower tiered package.

In my experience how efficiently a given provider of streaming TV encodes its streams vs the quality level they achieve is and can be very variable. It is akin to how well you might pack 'stuff' in to a van of given size. Pack it well and you may be able to get considerably more stuff in than if you pack it inefficiently. Entities like the BBC and Netflix and ITV are at the leading edge of efficient encoding of streams. Some IPTV suppliers also achieve similar levels of efficiency in the way they encode their video streams. However others are not so efficient. I have seen IPTV streams that use double or even triple the 1.5Mb/s that BBC iPlayer standard quality streams use , yet provide a quality of picture that is no better and some times even worse than the BBC's standard quality.

I will finish by again stressing that what I am trying to address here in this reply is the question 'is it possible to stream any kind of internet TV' with a MM connection through peak hours. I sincerely believe that the simple answer to this question is yes it is. If the stream is efficiently encoded and you are not expecting high definition or greater quality levels sustained through out the whole or majority of peak hours, then even on our gold tier and more so on our platinum tier such is more than possible. If my reply does come across in any way as aggressive or confrontational let me apologise in advance. My genuine intent is simply to try and provide the best and most accurate information I can as plainly as I can about these issues. I may not have achieved that but that is what I am trying to do.

Totally agree with Erol, we stream Sd quality video from Filmon and Netflix along with a slingbox from 4:00pm until we go to bed at around 11:00 pm and still do not reach any of the limits.

Well I suppose it's ok if you don't have kids. Kids are always on the internet. All I can say is it's not suitable for a family of 2 adults and 2 Kids. I think a reasonable package would be at least 20mbps and 10GB a day. Then if you exceed the daily limit then throttle it back to say 10mbps. Ours is throttled back from 15mbps to often less than 1mbps when we exceed our 5GB daily limit. It's not much use for us at all once we go over 5GB. I was in Merit Park the other night, must have been well over 100 people there using their smartphones streaming and surfing . I did a speed test and it as 78mbps down and 58mbps up. How is it they can offer that quality of service to their customers?

quality25 wrote: All I can say is it's not suitable for a family of 2 adults and 2 Kids. I think a reasonable package would be at least 20mbps and 10GB a day. Then if you exceed the daily limit then throttle it back to say 10mbps.

Could I ask what you might be willing to pay per month for such a service ?

As a side observation it does not cost anything more to us as the provider to allow your connection to run at 20Mb/s or 30 or 40 regardless of how much data you download or upload at times when the network is under utilised (off peak hours). It would cost us (and therefore you) significantly more to allow your (and everyone else's ) connection to run at these speeds, or even at 10Mb/s constantly throughout peak times and regadless of actual usage in these periods.

quality25 wrote:Ours is throttled back from 15mbps to often less than 1mbps when we exceed our 5GB daily limit.

Please do forgive my pedant tendencies but on the package you are on, your speed is limited to 3Mb/s after you have exceed peak time volumes of 3GB and to 2Mb/s after another 3GB of volume (making a total of 6GB).

quality25 wrote: I was in Merit Park the other night, must have been well over 100 people there using their smartphones streaming and surfing . I did a speed test and it as 78mbps down and 58mbps up. How is it they can offer that quality of service to their customers?

With respect the economics of delivering internet access to hundreds of people at a single location is very different to that of delivering the same experience to the same hundreds of people in hundreds of different locations spread of a wide geographical area. If we also installed a couple of slot machines , roulette and blackjack table and a la carte restaurant each persons home as well this would allow us to reduce the cost of the internet connection to each home as well. Let me apologise in advance if that comes across as flippant but really you are not comparing apples with oranges here but more like comparing apples with hedgehogs.

We need a better package that allows more downloads and speed. What can you offer for the regular visitor that would be more aqequate and provide us what we realistically require. Bearing in mind we have 200Mbps in UK with no limit to downloads. What's stopping multimax offering more speed and less download limitations

quality25 wrote:We need a better package that allows more downloads and speed. What can you offer for the regular visitor that would be more aqequate and provide us what we realistically require. Bearing in mind we have 200Mbps in UK with no limit to downloads. What's stopping multimax offering more speed and less download limitations

What are you prepared to pay MM for your requirement? UK/TRNC comparison is pointless as different areas in both countries have different experiences/speeds. Many rural areas in the UK struggle with any internet provision.

tomsteel wrote:

quality25 wrote:We need a better package that allows more downloads and speed. What can you offer for the regular visitor that would be more aqequate and provide us what we realistically require. Bearing in mind we have 200Mbps in UK with no limit to downloads. What's stopping multimax offering more speed and less download limitations

What are you prepared to pay MM for your requirement? UK/TRNC comparison is pointless as different areas in both countries have different experiences/speeds. Many rural areas in the UK struggle with any internet provision.

Agree about what would anyone be prepared to pay MM for the service that they need. It’s about balance and selecting the package that best meets your needs. Without getting into specific amounts, if need more then you will pay more is my experience. Some of course don’t need as much so will pay less. I am sure the large hotel chains with casinos etc can easily afford the service which their customers will demand. Are you prepared to pay for business service at a higher cost than what is paid by the average home user?

We are very fortunate when we are in the U.K. and yes we do live in a rural area. However; there was I believe a government initiative a few years back which forced BT (Over which the majority of internet services are provided - especially in rural areas.) to roll out there super fast fibre broadband service to rural areas first. As a result the BT broadband service to our sons property supports internet tv in his place whilst also providing the same to our lodge in the garden. BT is not known to be the cheapest solution however the service is very reliable plus we share the cost which does make it very reasonable.

PoshinDevon wrote:

tomsteel wrote:

quality25 wrote:We need a better package that allows more downloads and speed. What can you offer for the regular visitor that would be more aqequate and provide us what we realistically require. Bearing in mind we have 200Mbps in UK with no limit to downloads. What's stopping multimax offering more speed and less download limitations

What are you prepared to pay MM for your requirement? UK/TRNC comparison is pointless as different areas in both countries have different experiences/speeds. Many rural areas in the UK struggle with any internet provision.

Agree about what would anyone be prepared to pay MM for the service that they need. It’s about balance and selecting the package that best meets your needs. Without getting into specific amounts, if need more then you will pay more is my experience. Some of course don’t need as much so will pay less. I am sure the large hotel chains with casinos etc can easily afford the service which their customers will demand. Are you prepared to pay for business service at a higher cost than what is paid by the average home user?

We are very fortunate when we are in the U.K. and yes we do live in a rural area. However; there was I believe a government initiative a few years back which forced BT (Over which the majority of internet services are provided - especially in rural areas.) to roll out there super fast fibre broadband service to rural areas first. As a result the BT broadband service to our sons property supports internet tv in his place whilst also providing the same to our lodge in the garden. BT is not known to be the cheapest solution however the service is very reliable plus we share the cost which does make it very reasonable.

I read, quite recently too, of a rural area in the UK where BT had failed to provide such a service so the community set up its own service which far surpassed the BT package and at a minimal cost. My point was, however, comparison to a UK versus a TRNC provider really is meaningless. Why not use the USA or Holland as a comparator? Accept what is available or seek a bespoke package you can negotiate/afford with your provider.

tomsteel wrote:I read, quite recently too, of a rural area in the UK where BT had failed to provide such a service so the community set up its own service

That takes me back

https://www.zdnet.com/article/making-ru ... 002134069/

quality25 wrote:Well I suppose it's ok if you don't have kids. Kids are always on the internet. All I can say is it's not suitable for a family of 2 adults and 2 Kids. I think a reasonable package would be at least 20mbps and 10GB a day. Then if you exceed the daily limit then throttle it back to say 10mbps. Ours is throttled back from 15mbps to often less than 1mbps when we exceed our 5GB daily limit. It's not much use for us at all once we go over 5GB. I was in Merit Park the other night, must have been well over 100 people there using their smartphones streaming and surfing . I did a speed test and it as 78mbps down and 58mbps up. How is it they can offer that quality of service to their customers?

All Merit Hotels are Multimax Solution Partners, they get around 800mbps both ways total for all Merit Hotels. I would tell you how much that would cost them per month, but afraid you might have an heart attack

Just so that you can make any sort of comparison between a home package with fair usage policy, we do offer business packages with unmetered, dedicated speeds. 22mbps speed costs 2015TL per month.

A package with 20mbps (or more) that would be trottled to 10mbps after 10GB would not work in current Internet conditions, simply because nobody would care if there is any sort of traffic management or not. Traffic management works because it forces customers who are able to move their heavy usage to off-hours. If there is no such incentive (such as downloads going much slower, or downloading data during peak hours affecting your ability watch TV etc), then there is no point in traffic management.

As far as I understand you are on Gold package and are not paying a 350TL difference to move up to the Platinum package and have your quotas to double, which I believe would solve a lot of problems for a 2 adult 2 kid family. On the other hand, the package you describe above would be roughly 4000TL per year minimum (just a rough estimate). Are you willing to pay for it?

K.