Racist post

ardstrawray · Post by **ardstrawray** » Wed 01 Apr 2015 8:03 pm

Why did the admin leave it so long to lock a recent racist thread.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Wed 01 Apr 2015 8:09 pm

Yes it needed locking, It was not intended for that purpose as I made perfectly clear.

Sorry that it turned out that way.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Wed 01 Apr 2015 8:21 pm

Not your fault Johnny. I think it is important to remember that Admin are not on board all the time.

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Wed 01 Apr 2015 8:21 pm

Maybe Soner will answer that, but all involved with moderating and admin were tied up with other things and the thread ran away . It ha snow been locked as you see, and some of the postings may be deleted. For now, it cannot be added to, but as Soner says, if anyone wants to start a similar discussion whilst abiding by forum rules, then please go ahead.

Sorry about the delay in dealing with it. Rather unfortunate, but it has now been dealt with.

terry2366 · Post by **terry2366** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:31 am

Hopefully the guys will be banned from the board now it's not the sort of member should be on here.

Post by **Soner** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 9:11 am

Admin and moderators try to be on forum as much as possible. However, should something like this arise it does help if members send us a PM or email to notify us of any trouble, that way we can act as quick as possible. I had dealt to thread as soon as possible when a member did contact me to advise.

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 9:46 am

Which thread was this then?

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 9:56 am

OK I see it now. Yes, it WAS getting a bit below the belt, wasn't it?

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 10:43 am

Someone posted that it was like "44". In all the years I have used forums, going back to the MSN days I have never seen such an outright display of vile racism.

I am all for health even energetic discussion but it needs to be respectful.

We now just need to keep an eye out for this bigot turning up under another name.

Hedge-fund · Post by **Hedge-fund** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 10:48 am

I've just read it and thought it was a script from Till Death Us Do Part.

Kavenkoy · Post by **Kavenkoy** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 5:30 pm

Sometimes frustration makes racism

But that's just my opinion and I don't want to be shot down
Kav

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 6:15 pm

As a couple of mods have said, unfortunately whilst we try to be on line as often as we can sometimes we just cannot. Unfortunately I was flying at 36000 feet at the time so missed the excitement.

Anyone who has any misgivings about a posting, please do pm a moderator as Soner suggests, we can then check and take action.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 7:07 pm

On another forum of which I am a member, in addition to a "quote" button embedded in each post, a "report post" button is also embedded. This button is however only visible and operable by logged-in members, so it cannot be misused by non-members. When activated by a member, the message shown below appears to that member only, and when he/she presses the "submit" button, the reported message is flagged to admin and moderators only (not visible on the forum), for their decision and action.
If a similar facility could be provided on here, might that ease some problems?

P.S. Just realised - the "edit" button on here seems to work same way (only available -in this case to the poster only)......

Copy from other forum -

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Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 7:44 pm

I was about to make the same suggetion, but I dont see how the Edit helps -- you can only edit delete your own posts, and maybe part of the problem is that people dont read their own posts, or realise how offensive they sound. A forum I am on has the report button and if it is pressed the offending post is hidden until the mods have decided whether to support the objection - so they dont have to make a hasty decision and have time to consult each other if in doubt. In fairness to all. the mods do have to explain their decision to the posters concerned. Posts deemed obscene , serously inflamatory or libellous can be permanently deleted by the mods.

Might it also help if the Original Poster could close his own posts not only for obscenity etc. but if it has gone seriously ot or has simply served its purpose? Mods could be alerted to check for offensive posts. After all, as it frquently pointed out, posters can always start their own post if they have an important point to make.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:11 pm

In the example/on the forum I mentioned, the "report post" button does not hide the "dubious" post, but merely quickly and simply highlights it to admin etc.; as Soner mentioned, they have to rely (to a degree) on members sending a PM or email to notify of any trouble - perhaps some would be more likely/find it easier to use a report button than "go to the trouble" of writing a PM and then having to post that off....
I must admit that in the other (several) forums that I frequent, I've never used the PM system for anything - too much faffing about - I'm lazy!

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:19 pm

For those with good eyesight, there is an easy way of reporting a post. If you look at the bottom right hand corner of any posting there are some very small symbols, one of which is an exclamation mark. This is actually for reporting a posting.

Maybe that might help, and maybe Soner could make it larger so that it is easily seen.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:28 pm

Marions wrote:For those with good eyesight, there is an easy way of reporting a post. If you look at the bottom right hand corner of any posting there are some very small symbols, one of which is an exclamation mark. This is actually for reporting a posting.

Maybe that might help, and maybe Soner could make it larger so that it is easily seen.

It's top right on my PC.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:37 pm

Sure it is not at the bottom right of the one above??

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:40 pm

Bottom right on my laptop

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:47 pm

On all of my computers the top right is 'Edit and Quote' and the bottom right are the funny symbols which, if you click on them, will reveal their purpose.

Interesting that others have it the other way round.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 8:50 pm

Its at the bottom right on mine, and only one symbol - but yes it does take me to report.

I think the marks at the top right of Marion's post are quotation marks!

With respect they both so faint and small I never even noticed them . This is a forum which attracts mainly retired folk and may I respectfully suggest it could be thought discriminatory. Could I also suggest, for the technically illiterate like me, that perhaps a "how to report an offensive posting" could be added to the Rules section. In the long run quick attention to really offensive posts can only be to the benefit of Admin and mods.

I cant remember any post being reported on he forum I mentioned, or even Mods deleting one or closing a thread (though there have been warnings). Perhaps the very presence of a prominent "Report" button concentrates the mind wonderfully?

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 9:22 pm

Kavenkoy wrote:Sometimes frustration makes racism

But that's just my opinion and I don't want to be shot down
Kav

No excuse for the ignorant rhetoric on here yesterday, perhaps he was one of the thugs on the Paris metro.

Dalartokat · Post by **Dalartokat** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 9:39 pm

Jonnie wrote:
Kavenkoy wrote:Sometimes frustration makes racism

But that's just my opinion and I don't want to be shot down
Kav
No excuse for the ignorant rhetoric on here yesterday, perhaps he was one of the thugs on the Paris metro.

If this posting is anything to go by, seems he was from the South

http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... hp?t=22465

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Thu 02 Apr 2015 11:37 pm

Thanks Marions, I'd never notice that tiny (report) icon down in the corner! If/when people notice/use that, it will hopefully help a little!
As an aside - I find it sad that so many of those that express their bias and hatreds fail to realise that now many of their targets are third or fourth generation born in Britain - and by my consideration british. Our ancestors may have been Roman (Italian); Saxon (Germanic); Norman (French) - should we all be sent back to where our ancestors came from? - Mind you, it might solve the housing problem....

Kavenkoy · Post by **Kavenkoy** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 5:52 am

Jonnie wrote:
Kavenkoy wrote:Sometimes frustration makes racism

But that's just my opinion and I don't want to be shot down
Kav
No excuse for the ignorant rhetoric on here yesterday, perhaps he was one of the thugs on the Paris metro.

Being on the Paris metro .....erm paper talk and the video footage blown out of all proportion ,mainly as it was football fans .
The comment I made regarding frustration is a simple one ,people in the UK could get frustrated regarding how they are treated when it would appear others get more that have not lived here a long time .
I don't want to get into,that debate ,bit that can be frustrating and hard to accept .

We all have some form of racist tendencies ......thuggish is different from a view and a debate I agree.

I went to krakow last weekend and did the auswitz and Birkenhau tour ....racism was horrific there ,what started as racism ended in the holacaust.
Extreme yes

But true Kav

Kavenkoy · Post by **Kavenkoy** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 5:55 am

Dalartokat wrote:
Jonnie wrote:
Kavenkoy wrote:Sometimes frustration makes racism

But that's just my opinion and I don't want to be shot down
Kav
No excuse for the ignorant rhetoric on here yesterday, perhaps he was one of the thugs on the Paris metro.

If this posting is anything to go by, seems he was from the South

http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... hp?t=22465

Well spotted Dalartokat ......yes a wind up blurt from the south .

Kav

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 6:22 am

Ragged Robin wrote:Its at the bottom right on mine, and only one symbol - but yes it does take me to report.

I think the marks at the top right of Marion's post are quotation marks!

With respect they both so faint and small I never even noticed them . This is a forum which attracts mainly retired folk and may I respectfully suggest it could be thought discriminatory. Could I also suggest, for the technically illiterate like me, that perhaps a "how to report an offensive posting" could be added to the Rules section. In the long run quick attention to really offensive posts can only be to the benefit of Admin and mods.

I cant remember any post being reported on he forum I mentioned, or even Mods deleting one or closing a thread (though there have been warnings). Perhaps the very presence of a prominent "Report" button concentrates the mind wonderfully?

In the main members on this forum do follow the rules, which in turn makes this forum so popular. The rules do state that if you find any posting offensive you can email: info@kibkom.com. Alternatively press the red ! Mark at bottom right of original posting. This will allow you to report the posting and a drop down list will be available with a reson for reporting. Offensive post is one such reason. The ! Mark is small but for technical reasons it may not be easy to, make larger.

Posts have been moved, deleted or locked when members have not been following the rules and unfortunately some members have been banned for a short time or often for life. The good thing is that in the grand scheme of things most problems are quickly resolved and this forum remains a very popular place to visit.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 7:06 am

Marions wrote:On all of my computers the top right is 'Edit and Quote' and the bottom right are the funny symbols which, if you click on them, will reveal their purpose.

Interesting that others have it the other way round.

Sorry I should have explained - it very much depends on which display profile you select in the User Control Panel... I really dislike the 'Hestia Green' setting and changed it to Prosilver for a less bright display with better contrast, which coincidentally changes the layout of each message box as they are displayed.

The point I was making (poorly) is that our views are not always the same......

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 7:26 am

Kavenkoy wrote:
Jonnie wrote:
Kavenkoy wrote:Sometimes frustration makes racism

But that's just my opinion and I don't want to be shot down
Kav
No excuse for the ignorant rhetoric on here yesterday, perhaps he was one of the thugs on the Paris metro.

Being on the Paris metro .....erm paper talk and the video footage blown out of all proportion ,mainly as it was football fans .
The comment I made regarding frustration is a simple one ,people in the UK could get frustrated regarding how they are treated when it would appear others get more that have not lived here a long time .
I don't want to get into,that debate ,bit that can be frustrating and hard to accept .

We all have some form of racist tendencies ......thuggish is different from a view and a debate I agree.

I went to krakow last weekend and did the auswitz and Birkenhau tour ....racism was horrific there ,what started as racism ended in the holacaust.
Extreme yes

But true Kav

The papers and the television blow everything up Kav they also focus on certain migrants/immigrants illegal and otherwise and you end up thinking that high levels of benefit are the norm and they get more than the Brits do, it simply is not true but not without exception, but it is a good scapegoat at the moment to blame everyone's woes on.

Kavenkoy · Post by **Kavenkoy** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 12:29 pm

Being on the Paris metro .....erm paper talk and the video footage blown out of all proportion ,mainly as it was football fans .
The comment I made regarding frustration is a simple one ,people in the UK could get frustrated regarding how they are treated when it would appear others get more that have not lived here a long time .
I don't want to get into,that debate ,bit that can be frustrating and hard to accept .

We all have some form of racist tendencies ......thuggish is different from a view and a debate I agree.

I went to krakow last weekend and did the auswitz and Birkenhau tour ....racism was horrific there ,what started as racism ended in the holacaust.
Extreme yes

But true Kav[/quote]

The papers and the television blow everything up Kav they also focus on certain migrants/immigrants illegal and otherwise and you end up thinking that high levels of benefit are the norm and they get more than the Brits do, it simply

I is not true but not without exception, but it is a good scapegoat at the moment to blame everyone's woes on.[/quote]

I would agree Jonnie ,the facts with benefits we have enough lazy so and so born and bred in UK that don't what to work ....,,and when you watch the programmes like benefit Britain etc they all say " all these foreigners taking our jobs " most have never worked a day since leaving school or certainly for long periods of adult life

Any way off over to dalyan tomorrow so hope it's better than UK weather wise this week

Kav

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 3:41 pm

I think it is understandable that those who are ethnic British and who have fully paid NI and Tax , but lived abroad, are apparently denied - or at least delayed - benefits available to "refugees" should be bitter - I am myself. But the spleen is midirected, instead of blaming people fleeing countries where conditions are even worse for taking advantage of what they are offered : instead the anger against the self seeking politicians and greedy financiers who created the situation. The inability to express those feelings without offensive language is an indication of lack of intelligence and or education, and to be pitied, though of course it should not be allowed on the forum.

For an different view on racism watch "A Nation Divided": a report by a British Muslim on France following the Charlie Hebu affair. I found it easier to form a view because it was about France not one of "my" countries: and glad to be British(for once)but even gladder to live where I do.

RE the "Reporting" button I hear what Marion and Posh say, but with the utmost respsect it would be nice if the Forum could be a little more user friendly for those with physical or tehnoloogical disabilities. I have, inshallah, quite good close eye sight and no problems on other forums,, and the blue and red colouring on screen here which should show up how up the red exclamation mark well, but even having been told it was there I had trouble identifying it.
I had to stare hard to see it!

Post by **Soner** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 6:52 pm

To make everything bigger, try holding down the Ctrl button on your keypad then pushing the wheel on your mouse forward.

Alternatively got to top of your browser, click on View, then select Zoom.

Hope this helps.

Yes, seems like banned user was from South, but may not actually have been the case - however, sabotage was definitely the intention.

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 8:58 pm

Ctrl and mouse doesn't work for me. Maybe it is something to do with the kind of keyboard one has. Is there any way these can be made a tad larger? Or is that a huge task. I can see and I use zoom when I want, but hopefully now that people are aware of the system and how to report, it should be easier.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 9:04 pm

Marions wrote:Ctrl and mouse doesn't work for me.......

Try Ctrl and + to make bigger, Ctrl and - to make smaller......

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 9:12 pm

Yep. That works. Mind you I usually use my zoom at the bottom right hand corner of my screen, but this new info works faster. Thanks.

Hope it helps Ragged Robin and others too. Thanks Jofra - you are an

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Fri 03 Apr 2015 9:26 pm

Just realised - seven days, just be touching down at Larnaca!

johnerebus · Post by **johnerebus** » Sat 04 Apr 2015 5:44 am

I wasn't going to comment on this post because I don't get into discussions about other people's views - unless they're clients of mine as I'm a life coach - but....

Our view of the Word is shaped by our conditioning which is everything we've experienced / been told, by our parents, our teachers, the media, our friends and family etc. usually during our formative years but also in later life as we grow, and I S is an example here.
I recently posted on my blog, " Nobody is Born Racist." Racism isn't genetic is it - it's conditioning isn't it? I went on to say that racism is a Limiting Belief. It is so because some believe others to be inferior, less worthy, insignificant, or that they themselves are somehow superior or better individuals than others.
A Limiting Belief is something we hold to be true about ourselves that is untrue and we all hold Limiting Beliefs: the most commonly heard are, "I cant, I shouldn't, I mustn't, I'll never be able to." The good news about Limiting Beliefs is that they can be changed

The other good news is that we also "choose" our view of the World. I choose to acknowledge what is happening in our modern World and what's going on in my inner self talk but do not dwell on the events or things I can do nothing about - the things beyond my control - but I do have compassion for those who suffer. And sometimes that is all I can do. I wish you well. John

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Sat 04 Apr 2015 3:18 pm

Marions wrote:Yep. That works. Mind you I usually use my zoom at the bottom right hand corner of my screen, but this new info works faster. Thanks.

Hope it helps Ragged Robin and others too. Thanks Jofra - you are an

Sorry Marion but in my view it doesnt help, but it isnt really about about ME ! I had already found it from your ealier "clue", but reported it was difficult to see and people might not necessarily connect the exclamation mark (!) with "Report".

AS I said it is not about me. I might be shocked and briefly disturbed by an offensive post , but I have suffered worse and will no doubt recover! It is Admin and Moderators who need to keep the forum clean. Again, with respect , If they want responsible posters to help they will provide a clear,, obvious and convenient "Report" button. If they dont , and dont show consideration for people with, for instance, poor eyesight they cant really expect posters to spent time and effort searching for it, messing about enlarging, or sending emails

I dont mean to be offensive (or get myself banned!) but I have read on other sites the concern of admin and mods about legislation which puts the responsibility of illlegal posts on their shoulders

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Sat 04 Apr 2015 4:34 pm

I have to agree with Ragged Robin, I was not aware of this facility, until this topic was posted.

Post by **Soner** » Sun 05 Apr 2015 8:04 am

The reporting button had been mentioned several times since Kibkom Forum had started. It has also been advised that reporting can be made directly to moderators or to me at info@kibkom.com

I have also advised that the pages can be enlarged as per above instruction and by View tab/Zoom on your browser.

I cannot change format of forum, so if you do not see the exclamation mark for reporting then simply report via email info@kibkom.com

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 05 Apr 2015 9:28 am

Whilst I appreciate that the exclamation mark which can be used to report an offensive post is small, I did suggest in an early post on this thread that for technical reasons it may not be possible to make the ! Mark larger. I also advised that if you looked at the FORUM RULES it clearly gives an email address which can be used if you wish to report a post or contact the administrator/ moderators.

Moderators are on the forum daily so please use the contact email - sensible suggestions to improve the forum are always welcome, however for very good reason it may not be possible to implement them all.

Jonnie · Post by **Jonnie** » Sun 05 Apr 2015 2:17 pm

If you go to the Control panel you can change the colour settings of the board. I have changet to Hestia Blue, it is a refreshing change but also better contrast for me, and easier to see the exclamation mark

TheSaints · Post by **TheSaints** » Sun 05 Apr 2015 7:41 pm

Personally I think the worst comment on the posting was saying it was getting like the old Cyp44 what a stupid comment to make, lets face it Cyp44 was the best forum and a lot of people got a lot of information from that site and still do as the owner has left the archives open for people to gain information from, it was not the forum that degraded just a couple of the members as is happening here recently. Don't knock the site/forum as it is the contributors that make the site/forum and although this one is doing ok it is no where near as good as cyp44 was in its hayday although it is getting there but still has a way to go yet.

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Mon 06 Apr 2015 7:47 am

Good Posting Saints.

When I posted that topic it was not racist at all. just fact.

I believe that if you come to the UK or any other country and seriously take the pee. IE serious crime. You should be deported instantly with what you arrived with (after costs for the trouble and expense you have caused).

Post by **Soner** » Mon 06 Apr 2015 8:52 am

Johnnie, I use Hestia Blue to, easy on the eyes. I do occasionally post letting Newbies know that they can change colour scheme. I think I will create a help link for Newbies to inform, and to include the Reporting link etc...

TheSaints, I never knock C44 as I also thought it was a great forum, only to be sabotaged by some members, of which my moderators and I try our best to avoid on Kibkom. Running a forum, I have discovered, is not easy.

Johnny Lee, there was nothing wrong with your initial posting - it was just being overtaken by trouble-makers.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Mon 06 Apr 2015 9:12 am

Cyprus44 in its day was a good forum and it is good that it can still be accessed for information.However like anything that is mothballed, the information is eventually incorrect and out of date. Unfortunately at the end Cyprus44 went downhill and there were more than just a couple of rogue members. A simple query often deteriorated into argument, vile abuse and insults being traded. Sensible debate and discussion was being strangled. The owner made the correct decision to close.

At its outset we wanted Kibkom to be a safe place for people to post and ask questions plus enjoy healthy debate. We will not allow it to go the way of Cyprus44 so apply the rules firmly but fairly. Some say let people post and if you dont like it dont read it.....but its not like that, people are naturally inquisitive and will read postings that ordinarily are of little interest. As moderators we would rather nip things in the bud quickly if at all possible than let things get out of hand. All forums have rogue members but here on KibKom we do all we can to help them follow the rules.

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