Residency's for over 60's

[Belfast Belle]

Here is a very interesting read.

Citizens Advice Cyprus - TRNC Residency Applications for over 60's
http://cyprusscene.com/2014/05/31/citiz ... -over-60s/

[Deniz1]

Thats useful thanks.

[waddo]

A reiteration of what has already been written about under many other threads. I have sent them and email requesting copies of the signed changes to the law. I wait.

[Belfast Belle]

A reiteration of what has already been written about under many other threads. I have sent them and email requesting copies of the signed changes to the law. I wait.

Waddo they never said that there was signed changes.

[waddo]

Belfast Belle, I know! So it is only hearsay that people are risking on, that is the whole point! If I was to tell you today that I have reached agreement with the Police that it is ok for a British ExPat to murder one Manchester United supporter every year - you would not belive me, so why are people so happy to believe other things that are only hearsay/gentlemens agreements/easements/etc, etc.

All I am trying to do is point out that we all live in a country where permissions can be given and taken on the turn of a coffee cup and unless you have it in print with a signature over a postage stamp then you have nothing!!!!!

In fact, I give up, everyone should do what they want to do but on the condition that they never come back on this forum and moan about it when they get it wrong!

[harita]

waddo .. I give up as well ..

This from Citizens Advice Cyprus ..

With regard to the TRNC Driving Licence, a residency permit has always been required and the Kyrenia Tax Office has now confirmed to us that expatriate residents who are 60 years or over will only have to provide a copy of their passports and a letter from their Muhtar to show proof of their identity and their address after the Muhtar has verified their property location by viewing their property kocan or rental agreement.

Immigration told us personally that we didn't need to renew residency being over 60 ..

Two departments telling over 60's what their requirements are ..

The police don't make the rules, just ensure they are carried out

[kaiserphil]

"after the Muhtar has verified their property location by viewing their property kocan or rental agreement."

Or, hopefully, their contract of sale.

[Lottidotti]

This might sound as though I am going off topic,but stick with me.
Next year in the UK there will be an election,now how many people will believe what the politicians say they will implement when voted in (this includes all parties by the way), not many of the electorate I guess.So why do people believe what someone in Immigration say in TRNC albeit someone in authority and probably in good faith,who by the way will probably retire in the near future.
I was always taught in life particularly with regard to Legal matters unless it's written down its worth nothing,trust no one.when push comes to shove they will deny all knowledge.
If whoever makes these decisions (I bet no one knows who that is) is so confident why won't they put it in writing,answer because they know the law would have to be changed and that person would be going against that law they would probably be then out of a job.

[Marions]

@So very very true, L.D.

[Owl Lady]

Here, here, got my Muhtar's letter yesterday for residency, I am way past the" sell by date"of 60,wasting my money, but off to immigration in Lefkosa next week to renew!!Only doing one year this time,to see what happens,if anything!!

[Soner]

Waddo msg 5 - SPOT ON!

[Lottidotti]

Owl lady very sensible,but please don't see it as wasting your money you are just conforming to the law as it is written.
At least you will sleep well at night knowing all the i s are dotted and the Ts crossed.

[Owl Lady]

Lottidotti, only "quoting" what was said on the forum about wasting my money. Yes for peace of mind I am prepared to pay.

[karmels]

waddo

Thank you for taking over from my ramblings, I have always followed the laws as I have live in their country for just over 20 years, it did pay off as now my wife and I have a Kimlik card.
some advise to expats relocating to the TRNC.
1. Do not write to the local paper complaining about the TRNC. ( the local rag is read by those who grant you the right to stay )
2. Do not use offensive language against a local person in public as you don't know who he is related to.
3. As an expat always follow the rules of the land ( those that are in writing )

At the end of the day YOU choose to come to live here, this is a wonderful Country and it is better than the sh---t hole of a town I came from, and left when I was 16 and never to return.

[Marions]

Nice one Karmels.

[karmels]

Thank you Marions, I had to get this off my chest.
I am fed up reading how expats try to scam the system.
If you live in the TRNC and drive a car you need a TRNC driving license, after your first 90 days visa you are not allowed to drive a TRNC reg car on a UK licence.
Just go to your Insurance dealer and ASK.

Sorry for taking this of thread but it had to be said, enoff said.

[Marions]

With you 100% on that Karmels. In fact, I am a great believer that whereveryou live, you find out what's what and stick to it. Or as Eliza Doolittle said 'I'm a good girl I am'. Actually one of the reasons is that I don't like punishment! Best avoided by just sticking to the rules.

And of course if one doesn't like the hea tin the kitchen, one is free to find another.

However, at the end of the day, each person makes up their own mind, but then, a s my dear old Mum used to say 'Don't go crying over spilled milk"

And maybe it is time to lock this thread as having run its course, but then if I do that no doubt someone will have a good comment to add. So, I won't lock it, but I do think it has now all been said. We arejust awaiting someone to comeup with the written law on all this - and that could be soon.

It is always a challenge to live in a 'strange land' but it becomes less strange the longer one lives there, or maybe it is our presence that makes it 'strange' But definitely a case of 'When in Rome........................'

And thanks to all the kibKomers who have shared their thoughts on this one. I guess it I snot over yet, but who is the fat lady who will sing!

[the butlers wife]

I think this is all getting out of hand. Why don't the people who believe they should still pay for residency when over 60 keep on doing it but not try to impose their beliefs on those who choose not to do it. I am not renewing mine but that is my choice and my choice only, I am not telling other people not to renew, it is up to them and as for cheating the country out of money, come on. We have bought a property here, we shop here, bought furniture here. I rarely go to the south shopping, cheating the north out of money. I fly in and out of Ercan not Larnaca cheating the north out of money. As Marion says it is time this thread was closed.



The butlers wife

[BOERBOEL]

We are of the YES camp and will be renewing our residency for the 8th time beginning of September but here is a hypothetical question.

If following on from these threads and the variety of comments, someone who had not renewed but now has doubts changes their mind but is only a month or two late, would they be fined and would they have to go back to square one again.

[Belfast Belle]

I think this is all getting out of hand. Why don't the people who believe they should still pay for residency when over 60 keep on doing it but not try to impose their beliefs on those who choose not to do it. I am not renewing mine but that is my choice and my choice only, I am not telling other people not to renew, it is up to them and as for cheating the country out of money, come on. We have bought a property here, we shop here, bought furniture here. I rarely go to the south shopping, cheating the north out of money. I fly in and out of Ercan not Larnaca cheating the north out of money. As Marion says it is time this thread was closed.



The butlers wife

Well Said

[elizabeth]

I think this is all getting out of hand. Why don't the people who believe they should still pay for residency when over 60 keep on doing it but not try to impose their beliefs on those who choose not to do it. I am not renewing mine but that is my choice and my choice only, I am not telling other people not to renew, it is up to them and as for cheating the country out of money, come on. We have bought a property here, we shop here, bought furniture here. I rarely go to the south shopping, cheating the north out of money. I fly in and out of Ercan not Larnaca cheating the north out of money. As Marion says it is time this thread was closed.



The butlers wife

Well Said

I couldn't agree more

[waddo]

Current fine "per day" for exceeding your 90 days period, if you are of the group who do not bother at all and cross over to the RoC or leave the TRNC every 90 days, is 72TL per day. My friend forgot to renew (cross the border) and then had to fly back to UK suddenly. Fine at airport was 3000TL but did not have enough cash to pay and will face the double fine of 6000TL on return before being allowed back into the country.

So if the easement is ever forgotten about and withdrawn those are the charges people will be looking at IN THE WORST CASE. Of course the government may wish to waive such fines but those are the gambles.

So go ahead and close the thread if you are already aware of all the laws, rules and pitfalls.

[harita]

Current fine "per day" for exceeding your 90 days period, if you are of the group who do not bother at all and cross over to the RoC or leave the TRNC every 90 days, is 72TL per day. My friend forgot to renew (cross the border) and then had to fly back to UK suddenly. Fine at airport was 3000TL but did not have enough cash to pay and will face the double fine of 6000TL on return before being allowed back into the country.
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waddo .. How old was this friend & how long ago ..

Two departments Immigration & Kyrenia Tax Office have stated that over 60's don't need to renew residency & can renew driving licences by getting the Mukhtars letter & proof of where they live

Don't know how long this has been the case, but certainly was when we asked the question in February, not the driving licence but the residency ..

[waddo]

Under 60 and last week! Post was in reply to question earlier, just the facts mam!!!!

[Geoff1131]

waddo, so if your friends were under 60 it is no wonder they were fined. The question is what would happen to people over 60 as that is the group we are talking about? I agree that the government should clarify the situation but you are comparing apples with pears.

[waddo]

Then I have a suggestion - ask the Government. Or you could do some research into Fasıl 105 Yabancılar ve Muhaceret Yasası, as that is the law regarding Aliens and Immigration, perhaps your answer would be there???

[BOERBOEL]

Thanks Geoff 1131 - yes that was my query didn't think I needed to clarify as header is 'over 60' but as Waddo has said the only people to give the correct answer probably is the Government

[harita]

Two departments Immigration & Kyrenia Tax Office have stated that over 60's don't need to renew residency & can renew driving licences by getting the Mukhtars letter & proof of where they live

Are these not government offices .. If not then which are the ones that can give the answers ..

[waddo]

BOERBOEL, sorry, maybe you missed the reference to the over 60's part in my reply regarding fines.

"So if the easement is ever forgotten about and withdrawn those are the charges people will be looking at IN THE WORST CASE. Of course the government may wish to waive such fines but those are the gambles."

I fully accept that many have said The Government have SAID there is no requirement for those aged over 60 to have residency!!!

I simply point out that there is nothing in writing anywhere, nobody who has made that statement has anything to back it up with other than hearsay and even the BRS warn that it is the persons responsibility to make their own choice!!!!

You asked what the fines are and I gave you the information - it frightens me that if this agreement goes pear shaped and people have missed a years residency then they could be liable for a fine of up to 26,280TL based on current daily fines. Of course the government may just waive that money and allow people to start again or even start to renew where they left off - a bit like car tax -who knows what the government is liable to do when funds become short???

I am still plowing through the heavy legal wording of Fasil 105 and have nothing new to add but caution.

[Groucho]

If they (the Government) are genuine... why don't they simply change the laws to make this a legally binding decision - it can't be because they are doing an impact analysis because we all know they don't do them! If they did they'd have never enacted the new rules on chipping dogs... It seems it's simple enough to enact laws about dogs but expats and their visitor status is impossible...
As it stands I don't trust them not to have a change of heart - we've all seen that regularly enough to know that is often what happens.