Is this a wind up

[erol]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

[Marions]

Wot. No mention of Cyprus!!!??? It works well here - b ut then it is a different strain of Islam compared to someof the more fundamentalist ones. Perhaps that is what is wrong - any form of fundamentalism!!!!

[turtle]

Erol, your link suggests Costa Rica comes out top of the places to live ?
But then again it is wiki ??

Take a look at this http://www.sowrey.org/2008/09/17-things ... osta-rica/ I suppose people will say they would like to live in a lovely
fluffy place with walter mitty type lifestyles when they live in a place like Costa Rica ?

[erol]

Erol, your link suggests Costa Rica comes out top of the places to live ?
But then again it is wiki ???

The link I posted does not list 'happiest countries'. What it lists, in simple terms, is the countries that produce the most 'happiness' per unit of the worlds resources used to do so. It considers not just 'happiness' but also how much of the worlds resources are used by a given country in delivering that.

Even if one accepts the absurd and selective (where is Ukraine on this list of 'happy' countries for example) and arbitrary premise that Muslims in the stated countries are 'unhappy' and in the others countries they are 'happy', to ascribe the relative happiness of countries to a single factor such as the dominant religion in the country and ignore factors like per capita energy use in the comparative countries, to me just highlights how pernicious the Huffington Post post posted by Philoz is.

The average energy consumption per capita of the countries (excluding gaza) listed in this post of those deemed 'unhappy' is around one fifth of the average in those deemed 'happy' - but of course this correlation is not worth mentioning when the objective is to ascribe relative happiness and unhappiness to religion. The people in the listed 'happy countries' use 5 times more of the worlds resources per head of population than those in the listed 'unhappy countries'.

source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... per_capita

average energy consumption of the countries listed as 'unhappy' in the Huffington Post post (excluding Gaza) in kgoe/a - 1189
average energy consumption of the countries listed as 'unhappy' in the Huffington Post post in kgoe/a - 4985

Heaven forbid that someone might suggest that 'happiness' of people in a country might be more related to how much energy per head they use than what the dominant religion in that country may be !

[BLUE BUTTERFLY]

Pretty obvious. In the unhappy countries, [those who use the least of the worlds resources] 'they probably can't afford electricity, so no washing machines, A/C. etc. Don't use petrol because they can't afford cars. etc etc etc.

[Philoz]

Here is a another(Christian) perspective-

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/A ... cal-Islam/

Scary.

[erol]

Here is a another(Christian) perspective-

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/A ... cal-Islam/

Scary.

You do know who CBN are do you not philoz ? You do know who Pat Robertson is ? Indeed he , and his 'media empire' that you cite above are very very scary indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robert ... troversies

here is just a couple of this man's (Christian) perspectives.

In 1999, Bank of Scotland announced a joint venture with Robertson to establish banks in the United States that conduct all business by telephone, a business model that had been successful in the United Kingdom.[33] Robertson said that the Church of Scotland and the Scottish Episcopal Church ignored the teachings of Saint Paul because they have ordained gays.[33] Robertson also said that Scotland was "a dark land" overrun by gays.[34] In response the Bank of Scotland dropped their plans for a business operation with Robertson, following customer complaints.[34] In a press release, Robertson said that "media comments about him had made it impossible to proceed."[34]

The lead story on the January 5, 2006, edition of The 700 Club was Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's hospitalization for a severe stroke. After the story, Robertson said that Sharon's illness was possibly retribution from God for his recent drive to give more land to the Palestinians. He also claimed former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin's 1995 assassination may have occurred for the same reason.[58]

but there is loads and loads more. Or you could look at some of his 'predictions' made after 'being told by god' here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson#Predictions

Still if this is where you want to get your views from that is your choice.

[Dutchnick]

They have been keeping quite but public hand smacking(subject to Human Rights Convention) writing lines and being made to stand in the corner are all part the deterrents to be introduced.
Oh ISIS , Hamas etc. be afraid, very afraid.

[thornaby]

Religion
What a load of nonsense.
If you are daft enough to believe in in it,
Please
Don't brainwash children.
Don't threaten non believers with visions of fires of hell.
Don't threaten non believers on the fear of death if they do not believe "your " god.
Disgraceful.
Most "gods" are now resigned to mythically history.
But some are unfortunately hanging in there.
Look at Africa
How peaceful could it be without the interference of religion?
My vision of a peaceful world is one that destroys all god myths
I am astounded that in the era of scientific enlightenment people still believe such stupidity
Darwin must wounded whyvdid I bother?

[bargainboozeandwines]

I hope this thread is still alive once the Internet is back up and running again, don't like using my phone. Rather than go all around the houses which in my opinion you all have been doing I'd like to get right to what I believe is the problem.why i think many UK citizens are not feeling happy and safe anymore in their motherland.

[bargainboozeandwines]

Ok,as i see it and in this conversation only 1 person has mentioned the word Muslims,now that is the root of the problems in most UK inner cities today,i cannot speak for other countries as i do not believe all i see and hear on the Zionist owned news channels.
Now in the UK the 3rd 4th and 5th generation Pakistani Muslims who are running the inner cities drug trades and prostitution and child exploitation rackets and paedophile gangs are very militant and subversive and anti authority.
These minority pakistani Muslim groups who have taken over the inner cities have far to many rights IMHO,so they may well be born in the UK and there parents might of arrived there in the 50s and 60s when the british government opened the door for them to come to the UK to do work that would not be done by home grown labour.
Local Councils,police forces are ignoring and have been ignoring these minorities and what they have been doing for the last 30 years because of fear of unrest in the community and because of fear of being labelled a racist police force or racist ward,they do not want more broad-water farm incidents and moss side incidents etc and so they just ignore it and these groups have gotten stronger and stronger and have made no go areas in some cities and the police will not enter after dark.

And we wonder why the english anglo saxon is feeling uncomfortable in his own castle,it is in lots of cases because of the violent racist pakistani muslims running the streets of our once beautiful country before our inner cities where radicalised by these violent drug dealing paedaphila pakistani muslims.

Our police and Government have been to weak with these people from the word go.

Can i go to pakistan or saudi or TRNC or any other country and protest with huge banners saying i hope your soldiers are killed....and even spit at ex retired soldiers on remembrance sunday with impunity,now even if a anglo saxon did what these crazy pakistani muslims did you can bet your last dollar they would be arrested for at least breach of the peace,but because of politically correctness these mad dog pakistani up and coming terrorists living in our midst feel they can do as they want .

I have seen most of what i have wrote about 1st hand and have seen the change in several cities first hand over the last 40 years.

I have never felt threatened by these animals but i have seen many who have been very scared and who have also moved to other towns or countries because of how the UK has changed.

Of course not all pakistani muslims are the same,but in saying this i have never seen or heard them speak up in the community against there radicalised brothers and sisters who are the root of the problems,so i would say they are just as bad.

[erol]

Now in the UK the 3rd 4th and 5th generation Pakistani Muslims who are running the inner cities drug trades and prostitution and child exploitation rackets and paedophile gangs are very militant and subversive and anti authority.

There are criminal elements in every ethnic group in the UK. Turkish, Russian, Jamaican, Eastern European, Chinese etc etc etc just as there are white Anglo Saxon criminal gangs. Triad, Mafia, Yardie, the group names are endless. These ethnic based criminal fraternities are nothing new and nothing exclusive to Muslim or Pakistani communities in the UK.

These minority pakistani Muslim groups who have taken over the inner cities have far to many rights IMHO,

Every British Citizen has exactly the same rights regardless of gender, religion or ethnic back ground. Are you saying British citizens of specific ethnic groups in the UK should have DIFFERENT rights defined by their ethnic group ?

Local Councils,police forces are ignoring and have been ignoring these minorities and what they have been doing for the last 30 years because of fear of unrest in the community and because of fear of being labelled a racist police force or racist ward,they do not want more broad-water farm incidents and moss side incidents etc and so they just ignore it and these groups have gotten stronger and stronger and have made no go areas in some cities and the police will not enter after dark.

This a real and serious issue and clearly there have been failures and continue to be so. There should be no distinction or difference in how illegality is dealt with based on the ethnic background of those committing the illegal acts. However we should in my view recognise that we ourselves play a part in how such organisations like local councils and the police get such 'fears' in the first place. Of course they should not change rules or how they treat people and situations because of 'fears of social unrest' but clearly in some cases they have. My point is every time we read a daily mail story about an isolated atypical case involving ethnicity and we perceive this to be a general widespread occurrence when in fact it just is not, we play our part in creating fears in government, local and national and organisations like the police. It should not matter but lets not pretend there is not a connection between these things.

[continued in next post]

[erol]

Can i go to pakistan or saudi or TRNC or any other country and protest with huge banners saying i hope your soldiers are killed....and even spit at ex retired soldiers on remembrance sunday with impunity,now even if a anglo saxon did what these crazy pakistani muslims did you can bet your last dollar they would be arrested for at least breach of the peace,but because of politically correctness these mad dog pakistani up and coming terrorists living in our midst feel they can do as they want .

Are you saying you want to see the kind of authoritarian and repressive state control that there is in countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia copied in the UK ? To me that is little different from the idea that the UK should operate under sharia law ?

Of course not all pakistani muslims are the same,but in saying this i have never seen or heard them speak up in the community against there radicalised brothers and sisters who are the root of the problems,so i would say they are just as bad.

Well people often only see what they want to see I guess. Would you like me to provide links to members of the British Muslim community who do publically condemn extremism, radicalism and other excesses within their own communities ? For such surely exist if only you are able to see them.

[harita]

This is my Blackburn now & Whalley Range is where I lived up to getting married in 1962 ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI5i_7hbtKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UECIHkeZ-c

[bargainboozeandwines]

Can i go to pakistan or saudi or TRNC or any other country and protest with huge banners saying i hope your soldiers are killed....and even spit at ex retired soldiers on remembrance sunday with impunity,now even if a anglo saxon did what these crazy pakistani muslims did you can bet your last dollar they would be arrested for at least breach of the peace,but because of politically correctness these mad dog pakistani up and coming terrorists living in our midst feel they can do as they want .

Are you saying you want to see the kind of authoritarian and repressive state control that there is in countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia copied in the UK ? To me that is little different from the idea that the UK should operate under sharia law ?

Of course not all pakistani muslims are the same,but in saying this i have never seen or heard them speak up in the community against there radicalised brothers and sisters who are the root of the problems,so i would say they are just as bad.

Well people often only see what they want to see I guess. Would you like me to provide links to members of the British Muslim community who do publically condemn extremism, radicalism and other excesses within their own communities ? For such surely exist if only you are able to see them.

Great topic to discuss

Erol. It is too late to turn back the clock,it has already happened,sharia law is already operating under your noses. Below is just 1 recent perfect example,if it was an English Anglo saxon he would of gone to jail,rightly so as well.This dog was not jailed,sadly he abused one of his own kind,for a change !!

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/201 ... ared-jail/

http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/03/19 ... k-english/

[bargainboozeandwines]

And of course this is all ok for law abiding british anglo saxons to have to endure


Listen to the chants. Then make up excuses for these disturbed animals with warped views of our western lifestyle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I

[erol]

Erol. It is too late to turn back the clock,it has already happened,sharia law is already operating under your noses.

Exactly the kind of exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense, claimed as though it is fact that plays its part in government bodies fearing civil unrest around issues of race.

Below is just 1 recent perfect example,if it was an English Anglo saxon he would of gone to jail,rightly so as well.This dog was not jailed,sadly he abused one of his own kind,for a change !!

You CLAIM the reason he got a suspended sentence was his ethnic background and if he had been white he would not. Well I guess this guy was 'muslim' as well was he ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... girls.html

or this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

or this one

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-ch ... story.html

shall I go on ? I could find a hundred cases where a convicted white sex offender has been given a suspended sentence instead of jail, yet you quote one case of a very muslim looking guy get the same asn use it as proof that it was because of his ethnicity ? This IS the problem David.

[Lor51]

So off TOPIC.

[bargainboozeandwines]

Erol. It is too late to turn back the clock,it has already happened,sharia law is already operating under your noses.

Exactly the kind of exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense, claimed as though it is fact that plays its part in government bodies fearing civil unrest around issues of race.

Below is just 1 recent perfect example,if it was an English Anglo saxon he would of gone to jail,rightly so as well.This dog was not jailed,sadly he abused one of his own kind,for a change !!

You CLAIM the reason he got a suspended sentence was his ethnic background and if he had been white he would not. Well I guess this guy was 'muslim' as well was he ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... girls.html

or this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

No. The judge claims he did not send him to jail was because his Muslim wife did not speak English...also he was the breadwinner..



or this one

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-ch ... story.html

shall I go on ? I could find a hundred cases where a convicted white sex offender has been given a suspended sentence instead of jail, yet you quote one case of a very muslim looking guy get the same asn use it as proof that it was because of his ethnicity ? This IS the problem David.

There shall always be a yay and a nay for problems of this nature,some of these animals need deporting back to there countries where allegedly this kind of repulsive crime is the norm,of course it happens in the UK with anglo saxons,priests,vicars,school teachers,but in saying this our school teachers,vicars,priests do not wish to behead us because we are not the same religion,again another crazy mad dog islam convert in london chops off the head of a poor 82 year old defenceless lady,why because he thinks his Quran says he should kill the infidels or people who will not convert .

So sad that our UK government did not listen to Enoch powell in the 70s,every one thought Enoch was mad,hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Please do not take me as a racist,im a realist and you persons who wear blinkers will all realise the truth in the coming months and years,second beheading in the UK in a small amount of months.

You ask me in one of your replies if i want different laws i think for ethnic communities,YES if it can prevent these kind of crimes on our streets of England.

I find it so difficult to understand how any judge can be lenient with a paedophile of
any race or colour.

But in saying that we only have to look at the past records of even some judges !

How many white anglo saxons have tried or hacked off the heads of innocent people in the UK in the last 30 years ??Not including those abroad.

[erol]

How many white anglo saxons have tried or hacked off the heads of innocent people in the UK in the last 30 years ??Not including those abroad.

So it s the hacking of heads off that is the issue is it ? Killing (hundreds) of innocent people by injecting them with diamorphine - Harold Shipman, is presumably not so offensive to you ? Or shooting them with an automatic rifle is not so shocking ? - Thomas Hamilton / Dunblane or Micheal Ryan / Hungerford. Or murdering and then chopping them up and burning or flushing the remains down the toilet - Dennis Nilsen ? Smashing their heads in with a hammer ? Peter Sutcliffe. And on and on and on.

You ask me in one of your replies if i want different laws i think for ethnic communities,YES if it can prevent these kind of crimes on our streets of England.

Sorry David but saying that British Citizens of different ethnic backgrounds should be subject to different laws based on their ethnic background is pretty much a definition of racism.

[erol]

So off TOPIC.

What is the topic here Lor51 ?

I should never have started in this thread and I should not continue but sometimes I do things I would be best advised not do.

I do have to say there is to me an inherent hypocrisy at play here from some and at some levels. Some posters on this thread for example complain of immigrants into the UK not 'integrating'. Probably the most 'in your face' indication of non integration is immigrants that do not speak English , even after many years of living in the UK. Yet in all honesty what proportion of the British immigrants into North Cyprus speak Turkish ? 10 % ? 20 % ? There is a kind of 'hysteria' over sharia law being imposed in the UK and people suggesting that because a massively tiny minority of UK citizens CHOOSE to settle civil disputes via a 'Sharia court' , this is the same as Shari law being imposed on the UK against the wishes and without any consent from the majority population. Yet my father was born and grew up in a Cyprus where REAL foreign laws were imposed on him, without any consent from Cypriots at all. Laws that included and were used to hang Cypriots in their own country at a time when such was no longer the case in the UK. Who were the ones imposing these foreign laws on a population ? It was the British. Not some 'British courts' that people who wanted to could choose to go to to settle civil disputes. There is another running theme of 'we do not go to other countries and try and impose our ways and values on them'. Yet what are all the threads about 'being disturbed by call to prayer in morning' and 'way Cypriots treat animals' and such like about ? For that matter what is KAR and its 'education' efforts about if not about immigrants trying to impose their values in the country they have gone to live in ?

Would it be fair of me to ask any British expat here, posting about the failure of immigrants in the UK to 'integrate', if and what efforts they have made to speak Turkish ? And if they had made none to call into question their consistency ?

[bargainboozeandwines]

Im abstaining if this is the correct word !


Going to drink a nice bottle of Pinot Noir

Maybe i can dream of 40 virgins and paradise


Great Topic

[bargainboozeandwines]

bargainboozeandwines wrote:
Erol. It is too late to turn back the clock,it has already happened,sharia law is already operating under your noses.



Erol Wrote:
Exactly the kind of exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense, claimed as though it is fact that plays its part in government bodies fearing civil unrest around issues of race.


bargainboozeandwines wrote:
Possibly more than 80 sharia courts already operating in the UK,you cannot make your own laws within another country and use them in your community any way you want and ignore the real laws of that country,partly the governments and police are to blame for being so soft towards these ethnic communities because of fear of being labelled racist and causing unrest. UKIP might come to the rescue !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I

Great Doc Erol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjWaiOQfQw