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Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 10:59 am
by annanirvanna
This is from IExpats notifications. Osborne planning some nasty surprises for expats including pensioner expats. Hoping sense within the government will prevail as the expat pensioners will surely suffer. Posted so all Kibkommers aware of these dastardly plans by Osborne. Hopefully if you still pay tax in UK on your pension you will be OK (see para 2 under sub heading 'are you really an expat'

Osborne Ready To Tax Expat Private Pensions

Chancellor George Osborne is making quite clear to expats that they are either in or out of the UK tax system and cannot expect to rely on financial favours from the British government any longer.

Hot on the heels of Osborne’s confirmation that capital gains tax is on the way for non-residents, he has also revealed a consultation is coming to look at scrapping the personal income tax allowance for expats. Getting rid of the personal allowance means the £10,000 a year earnings limit before paying income tax goes for expats. So, any expat couple drawing pension income in the UK – including the state pension – will pay £2,000 income tax each.

Are you really an expat?

Although details of the consultation are awaited and are expected to be published alongside the Finance Bill 2014 on March 27, 2014, who receives the allowance will depend on the definition of an expat. In conversation, an expat is anyone living or working overseas, but the tax definition is different.

For tax purposes, an expat is someone who is no longer a UK resident, which means they have broken their social and financial ties with Britain and reside and pay tax in another country. Although Osborne may have liberated pensions, he is still determined to collect for the Treasury. “To ensure the UK personal allowance remains well targeted, the government intends to consult on whether and how the allowance could be restricted to UK residents and those living overseas who have strong economic connections in the UK, as is the case in many other countries, including most of the European Union,” said Osborne.

QROPS solution

Avoiding the personal allowance tax trap could be as straightforward as switching an onshore pension into an offshore Qualifying Recognised Overseas Pension Schemes (QROPS).

QROPS investors pay income tax on their pension payments based on where they are tax resident, not at UK tax rates, and these can vary considerably from country to country. For instance, Gibraltar residents pay income tax on pension income at 2.5% and pick up a 30% tax-free pension lump sum payment compared with the standard 25% payment onshore.

Any QROPS payments can be dropped straight into a personal bank account without foreign exchange worries as providers pay the benefits in a range of major currencies, not just Sterling.

Many providers will also take in small pot transfers of less than £75,000 on QROPS ‘lite’ terms, which is good news for many expat pension investors who have an average pot of around £38,000.

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 11:12 am
by Deniz1
Cant open this link.

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 11:28 am
by Jonnie
Personally I am taking this with a pinch of salt. The whole Iexpat thing seems to come from an investment group which MAY not be offering impartial advice as far as I can see. Has anyone seen any announcement from the treasury regarding this?

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 2:24 pm
by annanirvanna
Deniz: I could not get the link to paste, that's why I copied & pasted the article.

Jonnie: The article I posted states announcement is expected "Although details of the consultation are awaited and are expected to be published alongside the Finance Bill 2014 on March 27, 2014". So it's a 'watch and see'.

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 2:33 pm
by annanirvanna
Deniz and anyone else - the web address for IExpats is http://www.iexpats.com. From there you can read articles or receive them daily to your e-mail.

I have found them very useful and am not aware they are run by any investment group. Their articles in the past have been correct e.g. stopping winter fuel allowances.

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 2:43 pm
by Philoz
I'm with Jonnie - they are a financial planning company selling their wares - QROPS generate huge commission payments for offshore financial advisers.

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 2:54 pm
by Jonnie
And this would appear to be out of date somewhat!

"Although details of the consultation are awaited and are expected to be published alongside the Finance Bill 2014 on March 27, 2014". So it's a 'watch and see'."

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 5:20 pm
by Dalartokat
I keep getting a "pop up" on the link given and cannot get rid, so apologies but not sure if this is the same.

http://www.expatsblog.com/news/tag/uk

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 5:23 pm
by Dalartokat
Posting this also for information just in case it may affect any of you. It's BBC Money Box.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qjnv

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 8:45 pm
by annanirvanna
Hi Dalatorkat. No, the website 'expatblog.com' is a forum and covers countries worldwide. The link for IExpat is http://www.iexpats.com. If you still cannot find it you can search in google (or similar search engine) "IExpats" or "info@iexpats.com". Both will get you to the website. There they hold a historical library of back issues as well as the option to subscribe to daily notifications.

I Google checked on the budget news 2014 and did not see anything about the personal allowance issue for 'designated expats'. So fingers tightly crossed that it will die 'a death' and not pass through for implementation any time (we struggle enough with our pensions as it is).

I considered it may have been a bad April Fools trick but the timing was wrong

Re: Osborne's plans for expats - not good news?

Posted: Sat 05 Apr 2014 9:50 pm
by Dalartokat
H iannanirvanna, thanks for that. So annoying I still keep getting a pop up asking me if I want to have a QROPS guide, and I cannot get rid of it so it takes up the page. Anyway will do as you said and google. Thank you