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I have posted previous topics regarding this loveable puppy who was dumped outside our house by its uncaring owners, we contacted KAR who duly collected it, neutered, wormed and tagged it then returned it to our gate!
If I had wanted a dog I would have chosen one from the "Rescue Centre" not had one forced on me because the Brits are a soft touch!
I expect I will get some negative comments from people who think KAR are doing a wonderful job but how it is kind to dump a defenceless puppy hoping someone will care for it just amazes me; this is one person who will never donate a penny to them!
If anyone can offer this puppy a home please contact me, she has water but I am not prepared to adopt her and feed her.

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so easy to say - but what can they honestly do with so many needing homes, I am sure Margaret and KAR would love to hear positive ideas.

At least this dog will not now add additional ones

Even the people who run the country get bad reports when they collect the dogs hanging around the streets.

Answers on a postcard comes to mind
Fact - there are too many dogs living on the street
Answer - ????????

Here we go again! Please give us your solution then, KAR have over 300 dogs at the rescue centre, they're full to bursting.
Over the years I've seen so many criticisms written about KAR but so few who will happily give their time or money to help out.

I personally think that KAR are doing a wonderful job in the circumstances. Was the puppy dumped at your gate or did it find its way there? Who knows? Puppies are wanderers when left on their own.
What KAR operate is a neuter and return policy. Do you think it would have been kinder to put this puppy back into an unknown area?
I also think to pick Margaret out for criticism is unfair and uncalled for. The KAR policies are not decided by Margaret on her own!
KAR are doing all that they can, with the resources they have, but if people are just prepared to criticise, without contributing either financial or practical help then that is just armchair politics and IMHO low!

KAR have limited space at the centre and can not take every animal that is found on the street. with more money, perhaps they could take more? but KAR survive solely on donations and monies raised from the shops and events. no one wants to see a dog on the street but at least neutered they cannot reproduce and add to the numbers. it is not only local people that dump their dogs! there are some very caring local people that feed the strays and try to help. like it has been suggested if someone has the answers then lets hear them. i for one would love there to be a big field filled with cosy homes and unlimited food and help to look after every unwanted dog and any other animal so they can feel loved and secure but it isn't possible. should anyone want to help the centre could always do with another pair of hands and we can also do with some volunteers in either of the shops, so come on a couple of hours won't hurt you and you could actually make a difference and make some new friends in the process. in the meantime is there anyone out there that can give this lovely dog a home? they give so much back.

How dare anyone criticise Margaret Ray, not only for the reasons given above, but also that this is a lady who has spent 15 or so years of her retirement years working full time for no wages on setting up and running this charity, and who will probably continue to do so until she drops.

Are you able to show even a fraction of her dedication? If not, then you should keep quiet unless you have some constructive help to give, having found out the FULL facts beforehand.

well said Hippocampus. so easy for people to criticise yet do nothing.

Hippo - spot on! Original poster - shame on you! Humans' actions, not canines' fault. Dumping of animals occurs throughout this island, both governments refuse to acknowledge/action the problem.

I await the usual replies from the same handful of people who accuse people who do not want dogs of being anti dog.

Why do dog lovers insist that everyone should love dogs, hard as it may be for you all understand, some people just don't.

I like all animals, including dogs but I choose not to have one for various reasons, including health and financial.

The poster has a perfect right to choose not to encourage the dog, instead of hurling personal insults, knowing that the dog is not going to be adopted or fed, why do one of you not offer to have the puppy relocated to your street?

Munchkin

I have deleted your posting as I believe it is against forum rules.

KAR in my and many others opinion do the very best they can given the circumstances and the opportunities available to rehome the street dogs.

KAR can only do so much given the number of dogs on the streets, its a difficult decision but for healthy dogs they can only do so much.

Should you wish to discuss further please PM me direct.

Bornunderabadsign

Understand your frustration but be aware KAR can only do so much.

Please consider carefully when you post.

Its a difficult subject with no easy solution, maybd your picture may help this dog.

PM me if younwish to discuss further.

OK

WHAT DO YOU WANT IE (kAR) to do

onlt replyif you have some construcrtive ideas

rowan wrote:OK

WHAT DO YOU WANT IE (kAR) to do

onlt replyif you have some construcrtive ideas

As I suggested, find out if there are people who are willing to have the dog relocated to their street. If they truly have this dog's welfare at heart it shouldn't be a problem.

Having attended the KAR AGM this morning, I realized afresh the HUGE challenges they face (and sadly huge criticism as well). It does seem there is some misunderstanding over this particular dog, but I think it would be difficult to tryto 'adopt a street' policy. I might want the dog in my street (and chances are it would be poisoned anyway as being unwanted),l but what about my neighbours. Adopting a dog as a family pet is one thing, as then the adopter has sole responsibility, but to introduce a dog into a street of many houses can surely only be agreed by ALL the residents.

So what DOES KAR do. I know they stated that they are in constant contact with the police and the municipalities, and are constantly trying to get improvements concerning the rights of animals.

If someone has a real valid answer, then I reckon theywould deserve a nObel prize. However, I think manypeople would agree that KAR is doing the very best it can. Plus of course just think how things would be WITHOUT KAR. There is not any other organization to do what they do. How many strays would there be on the street? How many unwanted puppies and kittens would be overrunningthe island? And who would then be blamed if KAR was not thereto have stones thrown at it.

Of course if anyone wanted to adopt this street dog, they would be more than welcome I am sure, but to place it into another street could cause even more problems.

Not if it is placed in a street where the residents are willing to have it there.

Of course, blue |Butterfly, but it has to be ALL the residents that are happy. It would be wonderful if such a street can be found, and maybe a KibKomer is prepared to find out if this poor pouch could be a resident of their street.

Any offers?

Even if KAR had more money , more space , more volunteers it will not solve the root of the problem, after so many years the same problem would occur unless the root of why its happening is not addressed.
Why are there so many dogs on the street?
why are people still not realising puppies grow!
If I worked for KAR or was Margaret I would be head banging a wall and rocking in a chair, a funny farm would have to be created!
The policy of neuter and return is a good one if the 'new' population is controlled but with huskies , Doberman cross and German shepherds' on the street, breeds that are not native to this island and only popular in the last 3 years the education on dog keeping is not working and this is where the people who run this country must take control or find a solution.

bornunderabadsign wrote: this is one person who will never donate a penny to them!

How will this help?

PoshinDevon wrote:Munchkin

I have deleted your posting as I believe it is against forum rules.

KAR in my and many others opinion do the very best they can given the circumstances and the opportunities available to rehome the street dogs.

KAR can only do so much given the number of dogs on the streets, its a difficult decision but for healthy dogs they can only do so much.

Should you wish to discuss further please PM me direct.

Over moderated yet again, what happened to freedom of speech ?? PoshinDevon Over Moderation will kill this forum you should think hard as to whether you're unbiased enough to continue as a moderator ??. There was nothing wrong with my post.

Surely KAR should be pressing the Government for funds to run their shelter. The Government should allocate some or all of the dog licence money they have recently collected to KAR.

Oh dear, Munchkin. I think I know who you are, so can 'talk' to you as a person, rather than a name on KibKom, which always makes it difficult to write not knowing the personality of the person behind the name.

Firstly, our PoshinDevon is a good, fair man and is not biased in any way. He was merely upholding Forum Rules. Unfortunately your posting, and in bold letters, was like shouting an insult to Margaret Ray. Take a look at Forum rules and you will see that this is NOT allowed. This is nothing to do with bias - just keeping the rules which are there to protect us all. I am accused of breaking Forum rules occasionally (try not to, of course) and then I have to be dealt with by my fellow moderators. Rules is rules!

And I do not think that will kill this forum, but will help to keep it as popular and one where people can say what they like (as long as it is not an insult!). Freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you want, but really means you have a vehicle to express your opinion, but choose your words so that they are inoffensive. I am sure you can.

As Me, Mairon , I repeat what I said before, having attended the AGM yesterday one realizes what a huge task. KAR is in constant touch with Government and while it would be good if the Government did something (and maybe they will!), but just imagine what the situation would be if KAR did not exist!!! Can you imagine the number of dogs and cats on the streets. Cyprus would be 'Planet of the Pups' !

Many years ago I paid KAR for a dog (takes some believing, I know). I made the mistake of giving them our address (sorry, Margaret) when filling in the sale form. Next week 2 tagged dogs turned up outside our house. One quickly disappeared but the other unfortunate looking, badly treated, but beautiful bitch hung around. Needless to say we took her in and she blessed our lives for six years before passing away. So I am grateful to KAR!

I know Margaret well. She is a saint amongst the indifferent. Whilst posters may not be dog lovers they could be a little more tolerant. You might need help one day.

BLUE BUTTERFLY wrote:Not if it is placed in a street where the residents are willing to have it there.

Really think that the chances of getting ALL residents in a street to agree that a dog should be placed in their street so they could watch over it, feed it and generally take care of the animal is not going to happen.

Whilst it may be a nice idea realistically it is a non starter. The time/effort involved in just calling in and getting everyone to agree to the dog being there probably means it will never happen....what if 10 residents agree and 1 does not - which is very likely as not everyone wants/likes dogs.

KAR have an almost impossible job, but returning a healthy animal to the place it was found is probably the best they can do in the circumstances.

I have obviously started a debate on the pros and cons of the service KAR provides which was not my intention, I will now state the facts only with no expression of opinion.
This dog is a bitch of about 6 to 8 months, not a streetwise adult dog.
She was dropped outside our gate in the middle of the night by a car which then sped off.
KAR were told and collected her about a week later.
She was neutered, wormed and tagged .
She was returned to our gate 10 days later by KAR.
We live in a development of approx 20 houses, only a handful are occupied permanently.
We rent our property and are not allowed pets.
We are animal lovers and have owned dogs and cats in the UK, we do not want a pet here in the event that we have to return to the UK at short notice.
We are leaving water and dry puppy food under a tree outside our house, but she is a very timid and frightened dog who can not defend herself against larger dogs.
She needs a permanent loving home, is there nobody that can help?

Munchkin wrote:

PoshinDevon wrote:Munchkin

I have deleted your posting as I believe it is against forum rules.

KAR in my and many others opinion do the very best they can given the circumstances and the opportunities available to rehome the street dogs.

KAR can only do so much given the number of dogs on the streets, its a difficult decision but for healthy dogs they can only do so much.

Should you wish to discuss further please PM me direct.

Over moderated yet again, what happened to freedom of speech ?? PoshinDevon Over Moderation will kill this forum you should think hard as to whether you're unbiased enough to continue as a moderator ??. There was nothing wrong with my post.

Firstly in my opinion and in consultation with other moderators I deemed your original posting against forum rules.

This forum is not over moderated, in fact over the past 3 years of moderating I believe I have only deleted less than 10 postings from the many thousands made. As moderators we encourage debate and differences of opinion, but personal attacks are not welcome. We will not allow this forum to go down the route of others. I shall continue to moderate the same way as I have done for the last 3 years.

Please note that I did suggest that if you had any problems with the deletion that you PM or email me directly and we could discuss off the forum the reasons why your post was removed. Should you have any further issue's with any moderator please feel free to PM or email them direct.

Thank You

bornunderabadsign wrote:I have obviously started a debate on the pros and cons of the service KAR provides which was not my intention, I will now state the facts only with no expression of opinion.
This dog is a bitch of about 6 to 8 months, not a streetwise adult dog.
She was dropped outside our gate in the middle of the night by a car which then sped off.
KAR were told and collected her about a week later.
She was neutered, wormed and tagged .
She was returned to our gate 10 days later by KAR.
We live in a development of approx 20 houses, only a handful are occupied permanently.
We rent our property and are not allowed pets.
We are animal lovers and have owned dogs and cats in the UK, we do not want a pet here in the event that we have to return to the UK at short notice.
We are leaving water and dry puppy food under a tree outside our house, but she is a very timid and frightened dog who can not defend herself against larger dogs.
She needs a permanent loving home, is there nobody that can help?

Thanks for the summary above. As I see it KAR collected the animal, gave it the necessary health checks and screening plus tagging and did what they could for the animal. The dilemma for them is what to do next...the policy as I understand it is to return healthy animals back to the area in which they were found. Appreciate the dog was originally dumped in your street but what are KAR to do when they have to return a dog somewhere?

The sad thing in this case is that a healthy animal was just taken and dumped outside a gate in the middle of the night by selfish, non caring people. This is the crime.

If nothing else your picture plus your words above may just help someone to decide to come forward and offer a home.

As a dog lover myself and having rescued many over the years here in the UK (Currently have a rescue greyhound....very very lazy dog!!) it is a heartbreaking situation.

I for one will always support KAR and the great job they do.Our dog Tess was taken off the street by KAR 4 years ago and was looked after by them for 6 months until we gave her a home.She like many many KAR dogs has enhanced our live's and is part of our family and we owe this to KAR for saving her from her original brutal owner and for taking her off the street-I suspect there are many similar stories and KAR are to be applauded for their fantastic work and for bringing joy to so many dog owners on the Island.

THANK YOU KAR.

poor dog, she didn't ask to be born

Lets hope the original owner now knows the consequences of their actions but then if they had a conscience they couldn't of just dumped her out a car.

Fingers crossed somebody thinks they have room for another one

Marions wrote: As Me, Mairon , I repeat what I said before, having attended the AGM yesterday one realizes what a huge task. KAR is in constant touch with Government and while it would be good if the Government did something (and maybe they will!), but just imagine what the situation would be if KAR did not exist!!! Can you imagine the number of dogs and cats on the streets. Cyprus would be 'Planet of the Pups' !

No, Planet of the pups did not exist back in the mid 80's they were not fed, no great rubbish around to scrounge on therefore died which in its own way was survival of the fittest. Yes it was hard to see starving cats and dogs wandering around and I expect that is why KAR was started to help the cats and dogs on the street but never to be a permanent home for them.

My first observation is that Munchkin likes heavy type, but previous postings have been allowed to stay! however I do think todays was well out of order.
Like Marion I was also at KAR AGM and feel that they are on a hiding to nothing. The government, instead of helping, have only made the problem worse now, by the new micro chipping law. Now more and more dog will be dumped, either because their owner can't afford or can't be bothered to do it! KAR have helped me out on a number of occasions and I wonder how many people who criticise them on here,actually support them in any way?.Do they give food at the begs, support event in their honour, buy from the shops, buy raffle tickets, put change in collecting boxes, the list is endless.

PoshinDevon I believe has been very fair in deleting post. I did not see the posting, but when I come across a posting that is a direct attack on anybody I simply delete and closed down that persons account for good without any intent of explanation.

Keeping on Topic - Please help KAR as much as you all can - be grateful for all they are doing - I simply cannot imagine the TRNC without them...

As for the pup, it does look a little distressed in the photo (guess you can tell from an animal's body language too), so a plea to any Kibkomer that can give it a good home and love, to come forward. The forum has been a good aid in homing some of these poor animals in the past and am sure it will continue to do so.

I have great sympathy for the original poster. No-one would like to have a helpless animal dumped outside their house. I am sure Mrs Rayis an animal lover and KAR do their best under difficult circumstances but when a very timid frightened young dog who is not streetwise and can cannot defend herself against larger dogs is just dumped and left to fend for herself there is something very wrong with the system. A positive step would be for the TRNC government to give the dog licence money to KAR to help these poor strays.

Thanks for your sensible comments wotnodeeds. The poor animal is still outside our house we are making sure she has food and water but she wants human company, she is doing her best to jump the wall but is still sore from her op. I did have a pm to my original posting a couple of weeks ago saying they would contact KAR with a view to homing her but nothing materialised, I hope someone can take her soon.

wharnodeeds, a brilliant idea, but not a hope in Hell!

I was lambasted for saying this on a previous thread about the same thing [ stray dogs] what I said and stand by,is it is no good the government spending money on more kennels, these will be overflowing in months.They need to educate the locals into breeding dogs responsibly,not have a litter of 6 or so pups pick the one they want then put the rest in a cardboard box and dump them away from there home.

Have to fully agree with topten. I don't see an early end to this problem. KAR do have a team that visit schools and try to educate the children, who in time, MAY educate their parents.