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How time flies.
Its now almost thirteen years since that dreadful event
So many lives lost so many lies told.
When will America, the land of the free , have a honest and open inquiry into what happened that day?
The official inquiry was a disgrace and brought shame on America.
The truth will eventually come out, exposing this as a inside,false flag event.
To belive in the official version is like believing in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus

"an inside, false flag event"...not totalling understanding your version - can you elaborate please?

Hi Retired
To belive the official version of events would be stupid.
Look on google.
Pilots seeking the truth for 9/11
Scholars seeking the truth for 9/11.
Architects and engineers seeking the truth for 9//11
Look at the pentagon, the most hevely defended airspace in the the world
These people would have you believe that a Arab who could not even fly a Cesna aircraft was able to fly a massive jet airliner, skimmiming at low level into the pentagon.
He got past all the air defences!
The initial impact hole was. very small, the width of the plane was massive.
No damage to the grass lawn, no video footage, no wreckage of the plane or dead bodies.
Remember Lockibe and the Malasian airways disater.
Wreckage on a massive scale.
Theses people wold have you believe that these partS at the pentagon just evaporated!
Titanium the main metal in engines a and other structural parts of aircrafts don't behave that way!
Look at world trade tower seven.
Never hit by a plane.
Minor fires.
Collapsed like a deck of cards.
Rubbish.
Brought down by a controlled demolasion.
Lies.Lies.lies.

As y ou sya, there are some very interesting articles and interesting questions asked. The fact that the plane sliced into a building when experts say this could not be done, etc, etc., As you say, Thornbie, so many unanswered questions and stretching of the truth. Will we EVER know the truth. What is truth is that thousand s of people died, and for what?

For anyone who doe snot understand the original question, do google and read some of the articles written by 'experts' in all differing fields.

But who will answer the question? What IS the truth of 9/11?

I believe there are many other thousands scattered around the world who have paid the ultimate sacrifice in covert retaliations by the USA.
Will we ever be told the truth about 9/11 and all of the other events of massacre that have taken place and are still now happening - NO!

Ah..now I understand where you are coming from.

Yeah, and I want to know the truth behind the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas come to that, it's all a conspiracy I tell you.....

Must be Autumn already, the number of nuts falling here 'n there. Sorry for the spelling.


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Why do we as `normal` people seek the truth if what we are told is fabricated,what can we do? let it rest, hope that it never happens again and remember those who died and their families.

Maybe if you were to concentrate on what is happening right now, ask what we can do to help the poor people being persecuted on our doorsteps in Iraq, rather than on what happened 13 years ago..your energies would be put to good use.

Retired, I think the famalies of the three thousand people who were murdered that day would not forget about it because it happened 13 years ago.
They can't bring their loved ones back but they have a right to know the truth!
As for today's conflicts where ever they are I have massive sympathy.
I can't do much to help but I contact and have condemned Israel for the way they treat the Palastinions.
I contact Downing street urging the p.m. to use the milatry to defend the Kurds and destroy the fanatics of Isis.
And, the death of thousands that are happening now in Iraq are in my view a result of what happened thirteen years ago on 11th September
So I really don't need your guidance on where to direct my efforts!

Oh dear, what a load of nonsense.

I had 6 colleagues murdered in that, and I object to silly people drumming up silly conspiracies theories.

Have you any idea how many thousands of people would have to have been sworn to secrecy? Or, don't tell me, they were all murdered as well.

Kaisphil.
People ask questions about what happened that day.
They have a right to do so.
I am not a silly person, neither are the many thousand of professional people who say the official explanation to the events of that day are pure nonsence.
I have my opinions you have yours!

Thornaby - you are either a gullible person, or a troll.

It beggars belief how many folk will believe 'facts' quoted on the internet and be taken in by conspiracy theorists and their theories....

Some people it seems 'can't handle the truth' and would rather demonise government than believe what their eyes are telling them... still it makes for interesting headlines...

I would earnestly advise caution when reading anything on the internet pertaining to 911 that claims to be irrefutable fact. A very clever process instigated by the conspiracy theorists is to use small facts to add support to bigger lies... cleverly dressing them up with an air of authenticity that the real facts don't actually support.

Well expressed Groucho. That says it all.

I love the "many thousands of professional people". Puts me in mind of the list of professions that are considered sufficiently honest to be worthy of countersigning passport applications.

Might as well say "What about the millions of professional people who do not subscribe to the theory".

Kaiserphil

Because you disagree with me why do you feel the need to throw insults?
I respect your right to have opinion different to mine.
There are far too many unanswered question on what happened that day.
I certainly don't believe all that is said on the internet.
But if looking at that make me and others ask questions then that is healthy.
When Kennedy got asssinated people at the time accepted the findings of the Warren commission.
Most sensible people would now agree that it never got anywhere near the truth.
The 9/11 inquiry in my view and that of many others was the same.
And as for people who say It wasn't a false flag event (which it may not have been) research Operation Northwood.
Remember, its easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain

Groucho

Rather then accuse people of believing all that they read on the internet, please destroy their arguments with answers that they have every right to ask.
Why did building seven collapse?
I really don't expect answer from you.
The 9/11 inquiry didn't even address it.
Strange.
Some questions that cannot be answered are perhaps avoided.

So Thornaby, reading your post 18 above, are you going to tell us what happened to JFK?

I would be quite interested to hear it.

Be careful now, I might just agree with you on the JFK scandal, not to mention the suspicious deaths of two ladies.

But never on 9/11.

Amazed that Diana hasn't been mentioned yet. I guess that is the most emotive business of all.

thornaby,
Am I right in thinking that you don't believe a number of terrorist hijacked a number of aircraft and deliberately crashed them killing nearly three thousand people on 9/11.
If you don't believe it which is your choice,can you say who you think is responsible for that event.I am not trying to catch you out just curious.
You also mention the assassination of J F Kennedy, although there are gaps in the findings into who was behind ordering the assassination if anybody at all, The fact remains that Lee Harvey Oswald was ultimately responsible as he fired the gun that is not in doubt.

Hi lottidotti.

I firmly believe that there are far to many unanswered questions regarding 9/11.
Why would the terrorist who flew the plane into one of the towers take his passport with him to hijack a domestic flight?
The plane crashes into the tower,a big fireball but this mans passport is discovered close by not even singed.
Could this be a "plant"?
Why did building seven colapse?
Building seven was a massive 47 storey building.
Not hit by a plane wit only minor fires inside.
Prior to 9/11 fire has never brought down a skyscapper .
And its never happened after.
Two planes three buildings came down!
A building in (I think barcallona) called (I think the Windsor building ) that was under construction was ravished by fire.
Never fell.
It just didn't happen.
Not just my opinion but that of thousands of architects and structural engineers
Larry Silverstein who owned the complex and had breakfast there every day was lucky enough to have an appointment from being there that dreadful morning!
Lucky man.
Please google Operation Black Eagle Trust fund 9/11.
What is the truth?
I don't know.
I believe the official version is nonsense.
Regards

"Infamy! Infamy!......" (Kenneth Williams)
What has to be realised is that all those truly responsible will never be apprehended and brought to justice, because while the gullible majority have been led to believe that the Earth is round, it is actually flat, and the guilty individuals have slipped over the edge of the world and are living safely on the other side......

Hi kaiserphil
At the risk of jumping into bed with you I think the Diana murder thing is weak.
Just seems a daft way to kill someone.
As for JFK I sence we think the same.
As for the moon landings well,...........

Don't know.
Better not go there!

Regards

thornaby ,
To believe one version of events is not true you must believe another version,What is that version that you believe.
To say I don't know after all the research you have done is a bit weak.
I will ask the question again.
Do you not believe a number of terrorist hijacked a number of aircraft and crashed them on 9/11.

Lottidottie
What I ask is to have an open mind, look at the evidence, ask the questions and keep a asking them if you are not satisfied with the answer you are given.
There is no don't that thousands died that day.
I will ask again ask
Why did building Seven collapse?
It wasn't hit by a plane.
Larry Silverstein (the owner of the complex) is on record as saying "pull it".
Meaning demolish it.
Demolish o f a building takes weeks in prepperation but this building fell the same day!
How can that happen?
A major crime scene, as with the complete complex.
Ferderal law forbids interference with a crime scene.
These people couldn't wait to clear the site and ship the metal of the structures to a blast furnance in China.
Let's not also forget that apart from the dreadful loss of life on that day and up to today as a conseque of 9/11, the environmental impact.
Asbestos released into the enviroment, insulation, fire.
Radio active contaminants used in fire detection sensors.
Mercury used in all flourecentent lamps.
All vaporised and inhaled to this day by the inhabitants of new York

thornaby,
I have looked at the evidence,I don't need to look any further.
I also know you are not going to answer my question.
You obviously don't have an alternate version to the events that happened that day,if you did you would answer my question.
You now appear to have become an environmentalist to divert attention away from answering the question.
So as usual in these conspiracy theories that's exactly what they are theories,with lots of rumour with a few coincidences thrown in for good measure.
What I would suggest you do to further the conspiracy theory is go to New York go to the site of the disaster and start to give a speech about a 'False Flag Event' and that to believe what happened is like 'believing in the tooth fairy and Santa clause' this will be much better than the internet as you will get one to one interaction with the crowd.When you have then discharged yourself from hospital let us all know how you went on.

Thornaby, totally agree with you and thankfully there are many like us who do not swallow whatever our governments feed us. Politics is power and with power comes corruption, it is the nature of the beast. The name of the game is to preach peace while endevouring to make war. Wars generate money, everyone with one iota of sense knows that. JFK was assassinated because he was going to get peace and pissed off many who were going to lose out financially. Marilyn Monroe knew far too much so was silenced. USA started the war in Vietnam through balck ops. Read " the mind manipulators" for facts on how governments experiment on their own people having used L.S.D. on their own troops and mentally disturbed patients. Makes for very interesting reading indeed. Governments are supposedly anti drugs! Anyone read about the Chinese opium wars very enlightening. However, believe what you like and leave others to do the same. There is always a massive divide with emotive subjects and nothing is black and white. Think outside the box.

Lottidotti
I do not believe a plane flown by a Arab terrorist flew into the pentagon.
Whatever hit the pentagon was not a Boeing 757.
Not to believe the official version does not mean I know what happed.
I've read and seen enough video to know that some of the explanation given is pure nonsense and other explanations needs challaging.
As for changing the subject by becoming an environmentalist, what on earth do you mean.
I simply make the point that the deaths from the events of 9/11 will continue due to the poisons in the dust cloud that covered the area.

Hey guys I've watched a very creditable video showing a controlled explosion of the tower and of the plane that flew into the pentagon, and yes this was a conspiracy.

Bethany
You are dead right what you say war makes a lot of money
The american firm halliburton done very well from contract in Iraq after the overthrow of Saddam
Dick Chaney advised bush senior not to invade for some very good reasons following the first gulf war.He then works as c.e.o for halliburton then when back in government with bush junior he was in full support of the invasion.
Makes you think!

Carbotec
Building seven was brought down by a controlled explosion.
It wasn't hit by a plane, devastated by fire or felled by the collapse of towers 1 and 2.
A massive 47 story building whose demise wasn't even investigated by the 9/11inquirey.
That's more then enough for me to ask the question why, ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fire.html
Of course you won't want to accept this as it doesn't support the conspiracy...

Groucho
If the "official investigators " say that's how it happened well it must be true, yea I don't think so!

Please, please don,t tell me there is no Father Christmas, because who as been filling my stocking every 25th of December for the last 68 yrs????????

Top ten

Good news for you. There is a Santa Claus he was flying the magic plane that hit the pentagon.

On realising that his driving was to say the least careless, he spirited away all the Denis and dead bodies!

My last post should have said debris not Denis.
Apologies

The real truth is actually quite frightening!

It is not widely known but this was the work of aliens. With intelligence far greater than we can imagine they made special missiles to look like planes whilst intercepting the original planes and transporting them to another planet.

The lengths they went to to make it look like it was the actual planes that hit the building is quite astounding. They went into fine detail, scattering bone DNA from people on the plane so forensics would find it later. Loading the missiles with a large quantity of air fuel so it would be found by forensics and give the illusion that it was a plane that hit each building. On each missile there were airplane parts again to add to the illusion. They even hid part of the planes undercarriage in between two buildings for it to be found. They managed to fake phone calls from/to passengers on united airlines 93 telling them that the intention was to crash the plane and to overpower the hijackers. The list does go on to hide the truth.

The aliens did consider taking over a number of people on earth to come up with other theories to confuse the situation and hide their doings should they ever get found out. It was considered unnecessary in the end as they had studied our history and had found that in any large news story this would happen anyway.

I know this all to be true as I, and now you read it on the internet.

Thoughts to all those families and friends who lost loved ones.

Well said Groucho

Getting rather silly now isn't it

Started off silly...in my opinion.

Elvis is not dead!

Retired
My last word on the subject.
"Started off silly" not in my view.
Your remarks about concentrating on current events rather then what happened 13 years ago was not only silly but would be deeply offensive to the many people who lost loved ones and are still seeking answers to their questions.
That was the whole point of my original post.

"Getting rather silly now isn't it"

In your opinion, but the theory cannot be disproved so there must be some truth in it. It has to be the best theory as it can incorporate and counter evidence put forward that it was actually hijacked planes that crashed.

"My last word on the subject."

Excellent

thornaby

Been discussing this on various sites for many years.

The major problem is the lack of corrorobative factual evidence from both camps.

You are as guilty as the 'other' side when you post such as :

"Building seven was brought down by a controlled explosion"


Nowhere has there been any factual evidence or whistleblower testimony from the tens or hundreds of personnel who would have to have been involved.

Unless you have such corroborated evidence, your statement is pure supposition, not even vaguely near 'truth'.


And so it goes on,.... and on,...

Thornaby, might as well leave it there in the hope that one day we may get the answers to 9/11 anbd JFK. Meantime there will always be the opposition and nothing we can do to change that. Hard to believe that people can be so different to one another. Continue to keep an open mind and do not go with the flow. If it weren't for the freethinkers all through history where would we be?
"Power gradually extirpates from the mind every humane and gentle virtue"
Edmund Birke.

Personally I think Col is onto something. Aliens being involved wow! and to think I really thought it was really a devastating terrorist attack that murdered over 3000 people, some 40% of whom have never had any remains recovered for relatives to grieve over and bury.

Who killed JFK. ? Our very own John Hughe s Wilson has given very interesting tlaks on tha tone, and the theory is that it wa snot who was originally accused, and that it is very complex. John has researched many of these thing,s including the death of Marily Monroe, so perhaps you should be asking him or reading his books.

Also one does not need to be able to say what happened at any event, just because one does not accept the 'official' explanation. The search for truth is inbuilt in us all, and sometimes one never finds the answer,s but it is only right andproper to search for truth.

The more one hears, reads and questions, then 9/11 does not seem to be what we were told in the firstinstance. Finding answers would not bring back the thousands of lives altered for ever by this dreadful event, but it is one of those mysteries it is good to discuss to try to find out just what IS acceptable as an explanation.

Thanks for raising it on the Forum. I find it fascinating - but of ocurse I could not possibly say what happened, no more than I could pronounce on the truth of Father Christmas when I was ten. I believe in him. He was real - and of course he WAS real cos he was my Dad.
So it is true that Father Christmas is real, but the exact identity was confusing.

My Dad is dead so Santa doe snot come to call any more and drink the sherry and eat the mince pie I left for him. And the tooth fairy does not come any more. Mind you I haven't lost a tooth recently, so did not put it to the test!!!! Understandings change as time moves on.

By the way, anyone seen any flying saucers recently. Now are THEY really flying saucers? Whatever it is up there IS real, but.............what?

"but it is only right and proper to search for truth. "

Yeah but searching for the truth on the internet populated by nutters is not the way to go.... there is simply too much misinformation and disinformation out there sifting through what is right and what is wrong is a minefield...

I'm not suggesting that you can't use the internet successfully for research purposes but in this case too many wild theories based on lack of evidence are bound to cause those almost wanting to believe anything but the official version or wanting to find conspiracies where they don't exist are almost bound to have their prejudices confirmed...

The quoting of 'facts' suggesting thousands of experts, scientists and engineers who question why this or that happened is an example of the sort of disinformation that abounds... statements like this are bandied about and taken as some sort of truth when in fact these statements are all too often found to bear no element of truth at all.... simply put, lack of understanding and proof do not add up to a conspiracy. There is lots they don't really know about how the effect on the buildings was so cataclysmic... and short of rebuilding the exact same buildings and recreating the events they may never be known but to do that would be extreme and there is no guarantee that it would satisfy those prone to read conspiracy in to every US event.


There was a conspiracy of course, just not one carried out by the US on their own people....

Marions wrote:Who killed JFK. ? Our very own John Hughe s Wilson has given very interesting tlaks on tha tone, and the theory is that it wa snot who was originally accused, and that it is very complex. John has researched many of these thing,s including the death of Marily Monroe, so perhaps you should be asking him or reading his books.

Also one does not need to be able to say what happened at any event, just because one does not accept the 'official' explanation. The search for truth is inbuilt in us all, and sometimes one never finds the answer,s but it is only right andproper to search for truth.

The more one hears, reads and questions, then 9/11 does not seem to be what we were told in the firstinstance. Finding answers would not bring back the thousands of lives altered for ever by this dreadful event, but it is one of those mysteries it is good to discuss to try to find out just what IS acceptable as an explanation.

Thanks for raising it on the Forum. I find it fascinating - but of ocurse I could not possibly say what happened, no more than I could pronounce on the truth of Father Christmas when I was ten. I believe in him. He was real - and of course he WAS real cos he was my Dad.
So it is true that Father Christmas is real, but the exact identity was confusing.

My Dad is dead so Santa doe snot come to call any more and drink the sherry and eat the mince pie I left for him. And the tooth fairy does not come any more. Mind you I haven't lost a tooth recently, so did not put it to the test!!!! Understandings change as time moves on.

By the way, anyone seen any flying saucers recently. Now are THEY really flying saucers? Whatever it is up there IS real, but.............what?

Bugger the content the spelling is hillarious

Does that mean I am climbing the spelling 'b' ladder? Actually my brain spells beautifully, but it is these dyslexic flying flingers on a too mslal keyboard. (see done it again on small - !) Yep, I sure do make mistakes (or my flingers do, so your comment may be apt, but I really would prefer to have a sense of humour and that it is indeed 'HILARIOUS'.