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Well the British Government have either lost the plot or it's an early April Fool.
To clamp down on Terrorist returning from fighting with terrorist organisations or spouting their diatribe in the UK the Government are, wait for it , going to issue anti social behaviour orders ( ASBO) .Well that's going to stop them isn't it.
No one that is issued with one of these things ever takes any notice of them anyway.
I loose the will to live when I here people in their comfortable offices coming up with such stupid ideas.

There are many types of ASBO/CRASBO, and if the courts attach the right conditions/penalties to them they can be very effective. Many people have ended up in prison for breaking the terms given down by decent benches. Don't just read tabloids!

At the end of the day , the enemy is past the gates, the backlash for American and UK involvement against IsIs will be unrest in the UK ,the British Goverment through the eyes of diversity has created the greatest threat to the country since the Second World War, the enemy are amongst us and no doubt we will see more horrific acts as we did with the killing of Lee Rigby as radical Islam is left unchecked by our naive Goverment .

Makum wrote:At the end of the day , the enemy is past the gates, the backlash for American and UK involvement against IsIs will be unrest in the UK ,the British Goverment through the eyes of diversity has created the greatest threat to the country since the Second World War, the enemy are amongst us and no doubt we will see more horrific acts as we did with the killing of Lee Rigby as radical Islam is left unchecked by our naive Goverment .

Very we'll said

It is the same as the catch and release on bail of illegal immigrants, yes they are going to return for there retribution,if you think that they will, your mad .
What should be done is catch them don,t give them time to use the loo,put them on the next plane,boat or whatever and send them back to their place of origin.And while I am on my soapbox,Baa Baa BLACK Sheep, if the do bloody gooders think that this NURSERY Rhyme is racist, then they should be sectioned.Also the immigrants who protest on our streets about our armed forces and about what we wear or if we want to celebrate christian festivals,they should also be sent back to their country.Human rights should by definition be there for the protection of all humanity,so why as a white christian English person do I feel I am without any rights in my own country.

Well said topten

topten wrote:..................,so why as a white christian English person do I feel I am without any rights in my own country.

because you read and believe the Daily Mail too much ?

Religion has a lot to answer for.
In the words of Steven Weinberg,
Good men will do do good things.
Evil men will do evil things.
But for good men to do evil things, that takes religion.
The threat / dangers from these I.s.I.s lunatics needs confronting as do the same nutters in north Africa.
Religious ideology has warped their minds.
Religion needs putting along with all fairy tails, in the rubbish bin!
If we are going to kill each other I would suggest that we do it on something that is real, politics, football, which side up we cut open our boiled eggs!
But please, religion what a load o nonsense!

Agree topten

erol wrote:because you read and believe the Daily Mail too much ?

Spot on Erol.

(Written in a not very white and not at all christian TRNC)

Not sure who Steve Weinburg is, or whatever else he might have written, but agree with him totally on those three lines you quoted above Thornaby. Name looks Jewish.

Absolutely agree. Look into the cause of any major conflict worldwide and what motivates it - religion ( or atheism) almost every time

erol wrote:

topten wrote:..................,so why as a white christian English person do I feel I am without any rights in my own country.

because you read and believe the Daily Mail too much ?

Think that this comment from you Erol is a little bit flippant,what as a paper got to do with what I see on TV,would you say that the actual scene of a British soldier being beheaded.Protests on the street at rememberance Sunday,and soldiers returning from overseas after doing their duty in serving their country being called murderers and other foul things.Is this Daily Mail rubbish? I think this paper as become an excuse for some people to bury their heads in the sand.

topten wrote: Think that this comment from you Erol is a little bit flippant,what as a paper got to do with what I see on TV,......

I very nearly did not post at all and probably should not have done and should not now continue as I doubt anything of any benefit to anyone will be gained from such a discussion. However I did post none the less and having started for now I will continue.

You said you feel that as a white christian English person you have no rights within your own country. Not only is it ludicrous and simply not the case to suggest that as a UK citizen you have no rights in the UK it is even more ludicrous to suggest the reason why you feel you have no rights is because of your colour or your religion. The simple plain reality, despite what you may feel, is that you have exactly the same rights as a UK citizen as every and any other UK citizen and this is regardless of you colour or religion, as it should be. So when your perception of reality is so totally and utterly divorced from actual reality one has to wonder how such came about. Such separation between a persons perception of reality and actual reality is, in my personal view, more often than not a result of a kind of sensationalist, hysterical, demonising and out of all context reporting that media outlets like the Daily Mail specialise in. Thus my suggestion that your 'feelings' in this regard may have been formed more by such reporting than any wider factual reality given how totally divorced you stated feelings were from actual reality.

If you had said you feel that immigrants, be they legal or illegal, are afforded too many rights in the UK then you probably would not have had a response from me. It's not a view I personally share but it is a valid view to have and hold and I understand why people have such a view. However what you actually said was you feel you had no rights as a white christian (citizen in the UK) and this is I am afraid just a ludicrous feeling given the actual reality. The reality is that as a UK citizen and regardless of your colour, religion or anything else you actually have some of the strongest individual rights as anywhere in the world, not just in theory but also in practice. You may feel otherwise but feeling so does not make the actual reality any different. I feel I would be a perfect next James Bond after Craig Daniel but this does mean it is so in actual reality.

Although as a uk citizen we are all supposed to all have the same rights, it would appear more often than not the white Anglo Saxon Christian type who were native to our green and pleasant land are less favoured by the authorities.For some reason, and I wish I knew why, the rights of immigrants are prioritised in areas such as housing, employment and benefits. our schools hospitals and GPs are at breaking point, and all these newcomers have rights which see local people pushed to the back of the que, foreign criminals can't be deported because of their human rights, and why do these people have these rights, because for years us jolly old Brits have stuck our head in the sand and let the loony left lead us up the garden path,and yes we can all read about it in the Daily Mail thank god, as you will never hear the truth from the BBC.

Makum wrote:Although as a uk citizen we are all supposed to all have the same rights, it would appear more often than not the white Anglo Saxon Christian type who were native to our green and pleasant land are less favoured by the authorities.For some reason, and I wish I knew why, the rights of immigrants are prioritised in areas such as housing, employment and benefits. our schools hospitals and GPs are at breaking point, and all these newcomers have rights which see local people pushed to the back of the que, ......

Do you have any actual evidence that would support such an assertion or is this another 'feeling' ?

In regards to health care and state benefits, you are either entitled or not and if you are then priority is assigned based on an assessment of need not colour or religion. That there may be a correlation with greater need amongst those who are 'not white Anglo Saxon Christians' is no reason to say 'white Anglo Saxon Christians' are hard done by.

As for employment as far as any sane employer would prefer any given employee over another it is because one works harder or better, is more reliable, has a better attitude or such like. If it turns out that such traits that employers seek are less prevalent in 'white Anglo Saxon Christians' then it is hardly fair to blame those who are not such for this is it ?

Erol my dear man, wake up and smell the coffee, live in any town of village in the south east of England and the immigration problem is in your face. As for employment why do you think one of the first questions asked on any goverment employment application form is weather your black Asian or another, is so quotas can be filled that doesn't say the best man gets the job just means you have five white firemen and five darker ones that probably can't speak the language. What cupboard have you been hiding in all these years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXwMAupYnYU

Is this a sign of things to come, is this acceptable on the streets of the UK

So I guess the answer to do you have any actual evidence for your assertions is no you do not ?

Makum wrote:Erol my dear man, wake up and smell the coffee, live in any town of village in the south east of England and the immigration problem is in your face.

I was born and lived in the South East of England for over 40 years. What is more as the son of an immigrant father, so I suspect I have a slightly more accurate perspectives on the reality of living in England as an immigrant than yours.

Makum wrote:As for employment why do you think one of the first questions asked on any goverment employment application form is weather your black Asian or another,

Anecdotal nonsense. Tell you what find me a single government job application form where in the first five questions it asks what your ethnic background is and I will donate £50 to any (registered) charity of your choice.

Makum wrote:is so quotas can be filled that doesn't say the best man gets the job just means you have five white firemen and five darker ones that probably can't speak the language. What cupboard have you been hiding in all these years.

Where does this nonsense come from ? You claim that non 'white Anglo Saxon Christians' are unfairly discriminated against in government employment and then use fire fighters (for they are not all men) as an example !? A clearer separation between your 'feeling' and actual reality would be harder to find. The actual reality is that

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 723518.pdf

"1.4 Firefighters in England are predominantly male and white: 3.9 per cent of firefighters are women, while 3.1 per cent of firefighters are from ethnic minority backgrounds."

This is not made up anecdote, like those you present but factual reality backed up with credible evidence. This does not necessarily mean there is discrimination against hiring ethnic minorities, there are other possible explanations as to why the % is so low, but to suggest as you do, that is evidence of discrimination in favour of ethnic minorities is lunacy on a grand scale.

Did you go for a job as a fire fighter once Makum and get turned down perhaps ? Easier to believe it was because you were white Anglo Saxon and not because of some other failing on your part perhaps ?

this is exactly the kind of separation between what you 'feel' (yet assert as fact) and actual reality as shown by credible evidence that I am talking about.

Just one small point. Why cannot Christian Carol Services be advertised in say, the local library, for fear of offending immigrants and other religons, when a Diwali Festival can? This is fact and has been reported in the press.

Why should a Christian not be allowed to wear a cross, the symbol of their faith, when other religions are allowed to wear turbans and other items which they say is part of their religion.

There are many documented cases of such reverse ethics being practicsed in U.K, and that is why the white honkeys (and I am one) do not feel they have the rights with which they were born, but that the pendulum has swung to make sure that all those other than white honkeys are NOT offended. And although I realize the expression 'white honkey' is not politically correct, I will use it because it describes me (except when I have been in the sun too long), just as an African frien do f mine insists that I refer to him as a 'black man' - also politically incorrect.)

As I sya, just one point and I am sure that others can add many more as to why people do NOT feel they have the rights to which they are entitle.d But of cours,e one man's rights is another man's duty.

muffin wrote:Absolutely agree. Look into the cause of any major conflict worldwide and what motivates it - religion ( or atheism) almost every time

Agreed to a point - in history, yes, but as we came into the nineteenth century, conflicts were starting to be more motivated by greed for territory and/or power, rather than religious differences.
HOWEVER, the leaders of the conflicting nations were clever and cunning enough (like all politicians up to the present) to sell the idea of religious differences to justify war and hide their own greed - consider how the practice of countries' kings/leaders etc leading in battle faded away - they don't intend to get hurt....
But just say "God is on our side" and "you will go to paradise/heaven" - and see how many gullible people will throw themselves in front of you....

Marions wrote:Just one small point. Why cannot Christian Carol Services be advertised in say, the local library, for fear of offending immigrants and other religons, when a Diwali Festival can? This is fact and has been reported in the press.

Why should a Christian not be allowed to wear a cross, the symbol of their faith, when other religions are allowed to wear turbans and other items which they say is part of their religion.

There are many documented cases of such reverse ethics being practicsed in U.K, and that is why the white honkeys (and I am one) do not feel they have the rights with which they were born, but that the pendulum has swung to make sure that all those other than white honkeys are NOT offended. And although I realize the expression 'white honkey' is not politically correct, I will use it because it describes me (except when I have been in the sun too long), just as an African frien do f mine insists that I refer to him as a 'black man' - also politically incorrect.)

As I sya, just one point and I am sure that others can add many more as to why people do NOT feel they have the rights to which they are entitle.d But of cours,e one man's rights is another man's duty.

Sorry Marion, that (and many of the other posts above) is just bigoted tosh. Your assertion that it must be true because it is in the press is laughable (Was it the Sun or the Mail?). The politically correct way to describe a black person is "Black Person". It is ill informed comments like those above that lead people to the BNP/NF.

Msg 18 - I was in nearly in tears with the young lady in the film whilst watching this.

I like to ‘hope’ that we can all live together in peace but the reality is proving otherwise especially when you hear what these Muslim’s in this video have to say - I understand it is probably not all Muslims that think this way but it is still heartbreaking to see how the UK is going and not knowing where it is going to end up.

I am sorry Erol, you may be a son of an immigrant father born in the UK and you may have 'slightly more accurate perspectives on the reality of living in England as an immigrant than ours' but that does not mean you have a more accurate perspective on the reality of living in England as a white Anglo Saxon Christian and how much UK has changed and not necessarily for the better.

The small town that I lived in, in UK can no longer put up Christmas lights due to offending other religions! My friend, a school teacher in Bolton and a devout Christian, can no longer wear her cross for fear of upsetting other religions (I am sure many others can come up with many more suggestions)

I have lived in many countries and as such have become accustomed to living by the laws of that particular country. I did not always agree with that particular countries law, as I don’t here, but I live by these because it is their country and their laws.

What I never did was go around trying to change the laws to suit my religion or my sense of belief – this is what is intolerable to most white Anglo Saxon Christian’s and the fact that the UK government seem incompetent and do not see what is happening to UK (or if they do they are too busy trying to accommodate the Human Rights or not upsetting ethnic groups).

It would be wonderful if the horror that has enfolded in Rotherham, and reported in the newspapers this morning, was more of the tabloid press trash reporting...but that is not the case.

When will this stupid bunch of supposed do-gooders and politicians look at the facts and acknowledge that Britain is a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY FIRST AND FOREMOST. The queen is head of state and the church of England. If we as foreigners visit for example Turkey we have to abide by their Moslem rules and the same applies to the religious rules of most other countries and states. Why should Britain have to cowtow to all and sundry who choose to come and live there - the immigrants should be fitting in with the religion and customs of the country they have chosen and more importantly who has accepted them

elizabeth wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXwMAupYnYU

Is this a sign of things to come, is this acceptable on the streets of the UK

Is it acceptable that people are free to demonstrate and protest within the laws of the land ? Absolutely and long may this continue to be the case in the UK I say. What are you actually suggesting here ? That people not be allowed to demonstrate and protest at all ? Or that demonstrations calling for sharia law in the UK not be allowed but those say calling for the overthrow of the current capitalist system be allowed ?

Why are y ou being so insulting to me Hilltop. I have no idea who you are, as you are one of the KibKomers that prefer to be anonymous. So as I do not know you, I cannot judge what kind of a heart you have from which your statements emanate.

As a Moderator, technically I could delete your comments, but I do accept we all have valid opinions. However to suggest that I am swayed by newspapers with which I haveno connection or never read, is rather unkind. The cases of which I write, and which all have been documented in the press, are ones where I know people personally, where their own faith (Christian) has been insulted and demeaned by those who feel that their rights within other religions are more important than those of Christians. As has been said the Queen is not only Head of State but head of the church in what for nearly two thousand years has been a Christian country.

Christians are now 'persecuted' in their own land, and that ha s nothing to do with the Sun newspaper.

My connections with the church in U.K and other places started when I was three, and I learned a lot - from the lowest to the highest in the churcd, so I DO know what I am talking about. So please do not insult mine or any other person's intelligence and knowledge.

As to the BNP , they too have their claims and rights, and for some they are 100% correct in their aims. All part of the diversity of thought of human nature, but but but, just what is Britain, and how should it be run, and who is in the right. I just wish Britain would do what Australia has said many times 'This is our faith, these are our rules, this is our language - like it, lump it or get out!'. And if anyone would like to get up a kitty to get me back to Australia, please feel free to do so.

By all means state your feelings, beliefs, understandings but do not belittle those of other people. A quick look at Forum rules will show we do not like this on KibKom, but we do like sensible discussion, debate, and answers if anyone has them.

Marions wrote:Just one small point. Why cannot Christian Carol Services be advertised in say, the local library, for fear of offending immigrants and other religons, when a Diwali Festival can? This is fact and has been reported in the press.

This is exactly the kind of distortion and exaggeration, divorced from factual reality and all context that I am talking about. You assertion above implies that this is a general reality across the UK, in any or most libraries, which is absolute nonsense. When you take a single atypical incident from many years ago in regards to one library out of the many thousands still left in the UK and present such as the general reality you are no longer dealing in fact, placed in its correct context. Your are just engaging in the kind of distorted sensationalist out of context reporting that the likes of the Daily Mail specialise in and that leads to people like Makum having such a distorted perception of actual reality where by he can believe that out of 10 firemen he sees 5 will be non white and unable to speak English when the truth is out of every 100 he sees 3 may be non white and will speak English as well as any of us.

I suspect the news story you are referring to Marion is this one (but it may be another)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... igade.html

Marions wrote:Why should a Christian not be allowed to wear a cross, the symbol of their faith, when other religions are allowed to wear turbans and other items which they say is part of their religion.

Exactly the same as above. You take a single atypical incident out of all of its context and present it as the general reality across all schools in the UK. This I suspect is the actual story you are referring to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... ngles.html

The issue is one of safety not religion. Certain types of jewellery are proscribed by this particular school because they have shown in the past to able to cause injury. An exception is made for jewellery that is prescribed as requirement for a given religion, such as Sikh bangles. It is simply untrue to say the girl in question was not allowed to wear a Christian cross and imply that is because it is a Christian symbol. She was in fact encouraged to wear one in a format that was not a health and safety risk (a brooch, rather than on a chain).

Marions wrote: There are many documented cases of such reverse ethics being practicsed in U.K, and that is why the white honkeys (and I am one) do not feel they have the rights with which they were born, but that the pendulum has swung to make sure that all those other than white honkeys are NOT offended.

There are many documented cases where through distortion, exaggeration and taking things out of their context something that is NOT aimed at prejudicing Christianity specifically is presented as doing just such and the two examples you yourself cited are classic examples of this.

Marions wrote:And although I realize the expression 'white honkey' is not politically correct, I will use it because it describes me (except when I have been in the sun too long), just as an African frien do f mine insists that I refer to him as a 'black man' - also politically incorrect.)

There is nothing politically incorrect with referring to someone as black just as there is nothing incorrect in referring to someone as white. I am stunned that you can think so and also stunned that you can compare 'white something(honky)' with just black on its own ? What makes white honky unacceptable is the honky part not the white part.

Here we go Cyprus 44 all over again, this is not a political Fopum FFS, cool it please , I think this should be closed now before some one says something that will offend our Hosts.

squashmad wrote: I understand it is probably not all Muslims that think this way but it is still heartbreaking to see how the UK is going and not knowing where it is going to end up.

Probably not all Muslims that think this way ? This is like me saying 'I understand its probably not all Christians who think homosexual people should be forced into having treatment for their 'condition''. It is a TINY minority of British muslims that seek to have sharia law imposed in the UK and they have no more chance of achieving their aims than white anarchist anti capitalist protestors have of bringing down the capitalist system in the UK.

squashmad wrote:I am sorry Erol, you may be a son of an immigrant father born in the UK and you may have 'slightly more accurate perspectives on the reality of living in England as an immigrant than ours' but that does not mean you have a more accurate perspective on the reality of living in England as a white Anglo Saxon Christian and how much UK has changed and not necessarily for the better.

Actually I was born and did grow up and live in England pretty much as a white Anglo Saxon Christian. Other than my name there was not particular sign, physical or cultural or otherwise that I was anything other than Anglo Saxon Christian. As the child of a immigrant father and an English mother I straddle and have direct personal insight and perspective of both groups.

squashmad wrote: The small town that I lived in, in UK can no longer put up Christmas lights due to offending other religions!

Do you mean they can no longer put up Christmas lights (because of some law) or that at one time the elected local council CHOSE to not do so ? Can you see the difference between these two things and how presenting one as the other is distortion of reality ?

squashmad wrote: My friend, a school teacher in Bolton and a devout Christian, can no longer wear her cross for fear of upsetting other religions (I am sure many others can come up with many more suggestions)

Can she wear a Burka should she wish too or is that similarly proscribed by her employers ?

squashmad wrote:I have lived in many countries and as such have become accustomed to living by the laws of that particular country. I did not always agree with that particular countries law, as I don’t here, but I live by these because it is their country and their laws.

Everyone lives by the laws of the country they live in , regardless of if they personaly agree with such laws or not and that is true of the UK as anywhere else.

squashmad wrote:What I never did was go around trying to change the laws to suit my religion or my sense of belief – this is what is intolerable to most white Anglo Saxon Christian’s and the fact that the UK government seem incompetent and do not see what is happening to UK (or if they do they are too busy trying to accommodate the Human Rights or not upsetting ethnic groups).

Are you suggesting that British Muslim have somehow changed British law to suit their religion and sense of belief and at the expense of other faiths ? If so how exactly have they done this ? The laws in the UK are drafted and passed by overwhelmingly white (male) Anglo Saxon Christian politicians elected by an overwhelmingly white Anglo Saxon Christian electorate.

muffin wrote:When will this stupid bunch of supposed do-gooders and politicians look at the facts and acknowledge that Britain is a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY FIRST AND FOREMOST. The queen is head of state and the church of England. If we as foreigners visit for example Turkey we have to abide by their Moslem rules and the same applies to the religious rules of most other countries and states.

The UK is a secular state where the numerically dominant religious belief of the population who hold such beliefs is Christianity. Turkey is (still currently) a secular state where the numerically dominant religious belief of the population who hold such beliefs is Islam. The (one) dictionary definition of 'secular' is "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis."

muffin wrote:Why should Britain have to cowtow to all and sundry who choose to come and live there - the immigrants should be fitting in with the religion and customs of the country they have chosen and more importantly who has accepted them

What does 'fitting in' mean exactly ? Are you suggesting they convert ?

Marions wrote:Christians are now 'persecuted' in their own land, and that ha s nothing to do with the Sun newspaper.

I am sorry Marion but that is just nonsense even when its in parenthesis. It is not, in my opinion, any way a reflection of actual reality within the UK today. I also find it pretty offensive to the millions around the world who truly are persecuted on a daily basis because of their religious beliefs to suggest what Christians experience in the UK is any way even remotely comparable to what these people suffer.

Marions wrote:Why are y ou being so insulting to me Hilltop. I have no idea who you are, as you are one of the KibKomers that prefer to be anonymous. So as I do not know you, I cannot judge what kind of a heart you have from which your statements emanate.

As a Moderator, technically I could delete your comments, but I do accept we all have valid opinions. However to suggest that I am swayed by newspapers with which I haveno connection or never read, is rather unkind. The cases of which I write, and which all have been documented in the press, are ones where I know people personally, where their own faith (Christian) has been insulted and demeaned by those who feel that their rights within other religions are more important than those of Christians. As has been said the Queen is not only Head of State but head of the church in what for nearly two thousand years has been a Christian country.

Christians are now 'persecuted' in their own land, and that ha s nothing to do with the Sun newspaper.

My connections with the church in U.K and other places started when I was three, and I learned a lot - from the lowest to the highest in the churcd, so I DO know what I am talking about. So please do not insult mine or any other person's intelligence and knowledge.

As to the BNP , they too have their claims and rights, and for some they are 100% correct in their aims. All part of the diversity of thought of human nature, but but but, just what is Britain, and how should it be run, and who is in the right. I just wish Britain would do what Australia has said many times 'This is our faith, these are our rules, this is our language - like it, lump it or get out!'. And if anyone would like to get up a kitty to get me back to Australia, please feel free to do so.

By all means state your feelings, beliefs, understandings but do not belittle those of other people. A quick look at Forum rules will show we do not like this on KibKom, but we do like sensible discussion, debate, and answers if anyone has them.

I have no wish to be insulting Marion, I was merely commenting on what to me were your unpleasant views. It is pointless raising religion with me as I am a total non believer. If knowing my name will help, it is Smith and I live in Iskele.
I have never met you Marion and can only judge your character from what I read. This is normal for message boards, which is why we should be careful what we write. I take to heart the implied threat to censor my views, and if it helps, I would have no problem with you doing so.
I could debate covert/unthinking racism with you and others, but I believe Erol has done a far better job than I ever could and at this point I leave the field.

Regards.....

No Erol, not suggesting they convert. Just that the acknowledge that christianity is the foremost religion in England and respect that, instead of demanding their so- called "rights". The schools should continue to teach religious education to all English children any foreigners who wish to do so have the option to opt out for their children. I also understand that few schools now teach history which is appalling, as that is their heritage and children should be made aware of what their ancestors achieved and fought for. It may make a difference in their attitude to life and ambitions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... t-now.html

Interesting article in The Telegraph (not tabloid!) this morning after the aftermath of the findings in the Rotherham community..rather long, but very interesting. Also just listened to a lady from the Muslim community just now on BBC..she says that her community does not accept that these things have been happening, and it is a case of Islamaphobia on behalf of the "white" people! Seems that South Yorkshire Police Force ignored knowledge also..so as not to upset the Muslim community...

Similar rants from Muslim labour MP who believes Muslim men are not going to Syria to fight with ISis, they are going to help the community. Brainwashing ,lying, election rigging (Tower Hamlets ) human trafficking and child abuse , things can only get better

I actually do not have the 'energy' to respond in full to all of Erols postings in his response to my original message.

All I know is that I live in a foreign country (and as previously mentioned have lived in other foreign countries) and are not marching through the streets chanting hatred to the authorities and yes in many cases I do not agree with the rules and regulations over here but I chose to live here and therefore I have to accept the rules here and I do.

Whether or not you agree, I really do not care but what is interesting is the levels of recorded migration from UK of white christians due to what is happening in the UK and probably like us some here are saying, that we just cannot understand nor can we accept the way that our country (UK) is heading and we have chosen to get out.

Agree with you totally Squashmad. I have lived out of the UK for many years now, and considered returning over past few years, but when I visit, speak to people there, and what I read in the press (not tabloid) about what is happening there, in many directions, I am loathe to make the move.

I too have lived in other countries, including Islamic, and I had to conform to their laws whilst there. Had I protested in any way, particularly about women's rights in these countries, I would no doubt have been beaten and imprisoned. My Grandmother was a member of the suffragette movement in the early 20th Century, and a devout Christian...I wonder how she would react to the way young women are being treated in her country right now..particularly by men of Asian background.

Not trying to cause unrest but I would suggest the term is 'Anglo Saxon' rather than 'White Christian'.
Anglo Saxon includes 'any white person whose native language is English and now the (important bit) who's cultural
Affiliations are those common to Britain.By using Anglo Saxon it includes all religions and Atheist.
Again not trying to upset anyone just trying to include all.

Wonder if the Celts are included as Anglo Saxons..there are lots of those in UK who are White Christians for sure! Just n observation, I am sure someone will inform us.

Retired,A Celt is someone who speaks a Celtic language.
I just think Anglo Saxon is better than saying 'White Christian'My reason for saying this is I don't want to be classed as a Christian as I am an Atheist.

If we let them come here, UK, then we must pander to their beliefs and customs. Why should they live as we live. Did we live by the rules set by the American Indian, the Zulu, the Eskimo, Arab or Asian. We forced them to adapt to our way of living. What goes around, comes around. If we have learnt nothing else from history, we know that integration doesn't work by force. If I had my way, I would fumigate the lorries, sink the asylum seeker's boats and shoot those that got as far as our shores, illegally. Until then, I'm afraid we must live with what we've allowed to evolve.

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Kwak4, shocking attitude towards these unfortunate folk only trying to make a better life for themselves, just noted the Uk has increased its security state, must have a sniff of something about to kick off. Could it be because UKIP are on the march and gaining Tory defectors by the dozen and the masses are going to see a crackdown on their uman rights.

Seems its something far more serious than UKIP Makum. Threats have specifically been made against Britain by ISIS members returning from Syria...where they were educated and no doubt claim benefits from (not all I know before I get shot down).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-history.

I have just watched the video of the march in Luton and I am appalled at the preacher at the end of the clip spouting that if the law of the land is not muslim the the law can go to hell ?

I guess this is the sort of thing being preached behind closed doors and is very worring.
Its obvious to me that a huge effort to change our way of life and constitution is well on the way from this section of the community and needs to be addressed at the upmost urgency however the introduction in 1998 of the human rights act by the looney left will find it impossible to do anything about it.
You reap what you sow and we appear to be harvesting some very unpleasant situation's which is changing the face of the UK........and not for the better in my opinion.

I have copied this from Huffington Post.
It does seem to have a ring of truth about it.
Food for thought.

THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ..
They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in Canada ....
They're happy in England ...
They're happy in France .....
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany .....
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA .....
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ....
They're happy in Denmark .

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim
and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!

AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like....
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY! ..

Philoz wrote:I have copied this from Huffington Post.
It does seem to have a ring of truth about it.
Food for thought.

THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ..
They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in Canada ....
They're happy in England ...
They're happy in France .....
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany .....
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA .....
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland ....
They're happy in Denmark .

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim
and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!

AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like....
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY! ..

In a nutshell Philoz !!!!!!