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Can you please help if you can and enlighten me as what I need for permanent residency ( I don't mean citizenship) after reading the TRNC draught paper for the white card I am completely bemused.
I await your replies with interest.

From what I understand it is still under discussion, and nothing included in the recently release announcement from the government, all related to citizenship. Could be wrong of course!

Being of good moral character - fell at the first!

Applications for permanent Residency are suspended at this time according to BRS website.
About six years ago you would need to write a letter explaining why you wanted permanent Residency.With the letter you needed to provide proof of Income,also all the paperwork that you need for annual residency and copy of Kocan.
You could not apply if you didn't have a Kocan.
Also one of the stipulations was that you cannot be out of the TRNC for more than 90 days in any twelve month period.
As I say this was about six years ago.It would appear to be under review at this time so hopefully new information may be released in the near future,but I for one am not holding my breath.

As the new draft law on citizenship makes definate mention of Permanent Residency, without which you can not gain citizenship by at least one method, I would expect news about Permanenet Residency to follow fairly quickly - otherwise the new draft law is just a complete sham as you could not abide by it.

Oh well, that us done for........still no Title Deeds (a cunning plan methinks) and Catch 22 comes to mind.

Question - Having never had, nor ever will have a Kocan on a property - what do people use when they apply for their "Visitor" stamp at the annual fun fair? I started here with a leasehold - which the government cunningly said was "Rent up Front" when they found out about them and therefore demanded their 10% interest on the total of the lease paid, crafty or what??? Now I am in a rental with a proper rental agreement.

Previously I used my leasehold agreement as proof and now I use my rental agreement - so what if you have neither????

I enquired about permanent residency some years ago and, frankly, it was far too much money and they wanted far too much information. Lots of paper being asked for concerning pension and any other income. As far as I'm concerned, this is a need to know basis and they don't need to know. If you have been living here for years and own a property it must be obvious that you can support yourself financially as there is no state aid to fall back on here.. As far as citizenship is concerned I can't imagine that too many foreigners would be very keen on this as it means that inheritance is dealt with under the rules applicable for Turkish Cypriots and certainly most foreigners that i know would not be happy about being dictated to about who they can leave their money to.

We did start our Permanent Residency ball rolling, and then suddenly it all got put on hold. 'Tis the way of things here. So now we wait to see what else we can do. Citizenship might be an option, but needs to be confirmed.

It would appear that the White Card is still being discussed.

So we all wait for further news!?!?

As to any Red Tape involved, I am happy to undergo that as I have nothing to hide and fully accept that eachcountry has its criteria. Just wish sometimes that U.K had played its cards differently!

I for one will certainly have a go at Permanent Residency when it comes available again - why not, I live here "Permanently" after all.

waddo wrote:Question - Having never had, nor ever will have a Kocan on a property - what do people use when they apply for their "Visitor" stamp at the annual fun fair? I started here with a leasehold - which the government cunningly said was "Rent up Front" when they found out about them and therefore demanded their 10% interest on the total of the lease paid, crafty or what??? Now I am in a rental with a proper rental agreement.

Previously I used my leasehold agreement as proof and now I use my rental agreement - so what if you have neither????

Waddo - I had to use my sale contract.

Agobard wrote: As far as citizenship is concerned I can't imagine that too many foreigners would be very keen on this as it means that inheritance is dealt with under the rules applicable for Turkish Cypriots and certainly most foreigners that i know would not be happy about being dictated to about who they can leave their money to.

Can you been a little clearer or point me in the right direction of finding out the facts

kaiserphil, many thanks, I had never thought about it before but now the sale contract makes sence. I guess that if they want to be pedantic (and why not - lol) then they could always say, "Its just a SALE contract and you don't own it yet???" One thing for sure if there is a loop hole and they can't find one - one will be invented just for the purpose - lol. Still love it here.

Agobard.
Your statement is absolute rubbish, I have been a citizen for 15 years, if you make a will the money and Real estate goes to the benefactor.
Only in Cypriot law when there are contentions from the family does it get messy, if there is no will it goes to the eldest Son.
Then let them fight it out.

snd1966. I actually feel sorry for you as I'm sure we all come across as a bunch of squabbling kids in the playground. But I have to say, when push comes to shove, none of us know for a fact. We are all told different things, by the Powers that Be, by the Government, by Locals, by English type organisations by our so called Lawyers (who probably know less than anyone) We none of us know, although there are people on this forum who would never admit to not knowing and will just quote opinions. We are as wise as you are i.e. We don't know the answer for sure.!!

No need to feel sorry for me but I see from holding a work permit I should qualify therefore my brother would be well chuffed if he found all I own here may not come his way, I had never heard if a will was made there are conditions. Like you say life is generally a pickle here

waddo wrote:kaiserphil, many thanks, I had never thought about it before but now the sale contract makes sence. I guess that if they want to be pedantic (and why not - lol) then they could always say, "Its just a SALE contract and you don't own it yet???" One thing for sure if there is a loop hole and they can't find one - one will be invented just for the purpose - lol. Still love it here.

Waddo, how true!

But for people without PTP, therefore no Kocan, there is no other document they can use.

kaiserphil, must admit that for the reasons of PTP and Kocan and dodgy builders and even dodgy estate agents etc, we made up our minds not to buy here but to lease land instead. That was a great idea provided you had complete trust in the man you leased the land from - we did and still do by the way - we then built our own property on the land and lived happily there for many years. When the house got to big for our needs (Note that we did not shrink) we simply moved on to another property but instead of leasing it, we rented it.

As the wheel of citizenship has turned it means we now could never get citizenship as we no longer (and never have in the eyes of the Government) own a house! Ah well, that's life and we only seek permanent residency anyway so no loss at all. Funny that the requirements for citizenship here are similar to those for the UK - in the UK of course you do not have to own a property first as one has probably already been given to you on arrival - lol.

Nice one Waddo!

snd1966: the information that I have was given to us by our lawyer many years ago. Best to put the question to a lawyer for a completely up to date view.