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Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 6:41 am
by Mollie the cat
I have been cleaning my own pool for over a year, suddenly the hoover will not pick up in the pool, lost all suction. I have backwashed, checked the filters, any ideas anyone? Thanks in anticipation.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 7:04 am
by ElectricianPete
Perhaps something has been sucked in and is blocking the pipework.
Is the pressure gauge reading normally when it is set to filter?
If it is then the pump is OK.
Does the multivalve move freely and is it performing correctly?
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 7:07 am
by Mollie the cat
The gauge reading is normal when the pump is on, the water does not seem to be passing through the basket properly. you could be right maybe there is a blockage from the balance tank?
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 7:08 am
by Mollie the cat
The multi valve is set correctly and does move freely.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 7:41 am
by Groucho
It maybe the flexible vacuum pipe has leaks meaning the suction doesn't reach the business end...
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 7:48 am
by TRNCVaughan
where are you? if not too far i will visit and take a look.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 7:51 am
by topten
Check the little rubber strips on the hoover,if they are torn you will not get suction
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 8:23 am
by Steve C
Vaughan, a gentleman as ever!
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 8:47 am
by Mollie the cat
Hi Vaughan,
Thanks for your kind offer, we live in Ozankoy, well on the road to Ozankoy you have been before, of course I will pay you for your time. If you can call me I will give you directions thanks. 05338762204.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 8:53 am
by Mollie the cat
Thanks to everyone else for your suggestions.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 10:08 am
by Mollie the cat
Vaughan, thanks again for your kind offer, I think I solved the problem, it was a non return valve sticking just after the balance tank lever.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 11:46 am
by Groucho
Mollie the cat wrote:Vaughan, thanks again for your kind offer, I think I solved the problem, it was a non return valve sticking just after the balance tank lever.
how on earth does the balance tank come into play when hoovering?
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 17 Sep 2014 1:23 pm
by TRNCVaughan
Mollie the cat wrote:Vaughan, thanks again for your kind offer, I think I solved the problem, it was a non return valve sticking just after the balance tank lever.
Well done. If you still have a problem, give me a shout.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Fri 19 Sep 2014 10:06 pm
by thornaby
As always loads of good advice with some not so good. A very obvious thing is to check the suction at the port on the side of the pool.. If good look at the suction hose, they do fail.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Fri 19 Sep 2014 10:11 pm
by thornaby
Molie, also understand please that when hovering pool the water does not go through the same filter.
It goes from the suction port direct to drain.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Fri 19 Sep 2014 10:14 pm
by thornaby
My last post should read sand not same, damn tablets!
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sat 20 Sep 2014 6:34 am
by brian24001
thornaby wrote:Molie, also understand please that when hovering pool the water does not go through the same filter.
It goes from the suction port direct to drain.
No reason why you cannot hoover through the filter and backwash after, provided not too much debris on the bottom, saves a lot of water.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sat 20 Sep 2014 9:12 am
by TRNCVaughan
http://www.waterco.eu/products?ptitle=m ... -filter_87
I have fitted several of these filters to pools. If you are building a pool and would like to get away from water wasteful, inefficient sand filters, give me a call.
TRNCVaughan
0533 845 8494
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sat 20 Sep 2014 1:33 pm
by jimm
Vaughan whats the approximate cost for one of these to replace a sand filter
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sat 20 Sep 2014 2:06 pm
by TRNCVaughan
jimm wrote:Vaughan whats the approximate cost for one of these to replace a sand filter
About £750, supplied and fitted, subject to survey.
On a new pool, a conventional filter, complete with sand could cost about £600, so this is a viable alternative.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sun 21 Sep 2014 4:03 am
by jimm
Bit expensive only 370 pounds in the UK
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sun 21 Sep 2014 7:30 am
by TRNCVaughan
jimm wrote:Bit expensive only 370 pounds in the UK
If I give you £370, will you get one for me next time you are in the UK, please.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Sun 21 Sep 2014 7:32 am
by TRNCVaughan
And fit it for me, as well?
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 5:38 am
by TRNCVaughan
And hold the warranty for 5 years?
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 10:23 am
by Groucho
jimm wrote:Bit expensive only 370 pounds in the UK
all you get for that is a box with the filter in it....
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 10:51 am
by jimm
Gents did not really want to cause such a fuss but from FTS Aquatics see below and OK it is 448 pounds with VAT, I was only saying it is a bit expensive
Waterco MultiCyclone Plus MC12 (40) with cartridge
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Waterco MultiCyclone Plus MC12
The Waterco MultiCyclone Plus is a slightly smaller version of Waterco’s revolutionary all-in-one Multicyclone filtration system. It has all the benefits of the ever-popular Waterco MultiCyclone pre-filter with the addition of a 40ft2 filter cartridge, making it the ideal choice for koi ponds and swimming pools up to 80m3. A pressure gauge located on the top of the unit indicates when the filter cartridge requires cleaning but since the majority of sediment is removed by the centrifugal filtration unit, the cleaning interval is long and maintenance of the whole system is minimal. The unit benefits from high quality, robust Waterco design and comes with a 2 Year Guarantee.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 11:28 am
by TRNCVaughan
£448 only buys you the filter, in the UK.
Then you have to ship it out here as it won't fit in your suitcase.
Then you have to pay the KDV and import duty.
Then you have to install it.
Then you have to guarantee it for the duration of the warranty.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 11:59 am
by Mollie the cat
Vaughan is a really nice guy who would NOT rip you off. He has done work for us and we were more than happy. In life you get what you pay for, he needs to earn a living like most other people.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 12:30 pm
by jimm
I am not saying that Vaughan would rip anyone off and am sure that he would not, I was just saying that to me and only me that it seems a little expensive
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Mon 22 Sep 2014 6:19 pm
by TRNCVaughan
Jimm,
The problem is you are not comparing apples with apples.
The purchase price in the UK is just the beginning of the expenditure.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Tue 23 Sep 2014 4:50 pm
by thornaby
Molie if you are still having problems,
with the multi port valve set at "waste" very carefully check the strength of suction at the port on the side of the pool.
If it is good it will pull your fingers in so please be careful.
If it is good the problem lies with the hose, these do collapse and stop the suction.
If poor it could be the multi port valve but
I would suspect the drain line / soak away outside the pump room
Most problems can be resolved with a little knowledge and a methodical approach to fault finding.
I think these centrifugal filter are the way of the future, providing the cartridge filters are available at a sensible price.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 24 Sep 2014 7:12 am
by TRNCVaughan
thornaby wrote:Molie if you are still having problems,
with the multi port valve set at "waste" very carefully check the strength of suction at the port on the side of the pool.
If it is good it will pull your fingers in so please be careful.
If it is good the problem lies with the hose, these do collapse and stop the suction.
If poor it could be the multi port valve but
I would suspect the drain line / soak away outside the pump room
Most problems can be resolved with a little knowledge and a methodical approach to fault finding.
I think these centrifugal filter are the way of the future, providing the cartridge filters are available at a sensible price.
Replacement cartridge filters are available at approx £45, plus carriage from the UK.
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 24 Sep 2014 9:23 am
by Mollie the cat
Thanks everyone for your replies, much appreciated. Out of interest how much does it cost to run a pool pump per hour?
Re: Advise re hoovering pool
Posted: Wed 24 Sep 2014 9:43 am
by brian24001
Mollie the cat wrote:Thanks everyone for your replies, much appreciated. Out of interest how much does it cost to run a pool pump per hour?
Look on the pump, see how many KwH it is, then decide which of your units to allocate, remember your electric units are on an increasing scale. If you work on the higher units cost probably gives the best idea.