Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

]There is a protest in girne near council offices against Kars killing puppies. The time is supposed to be 11 o clock on sat 15 th.
Has anyone else heard about it.

First of all... I'm shocked that KAR are accused of puppy killing so before we all go off on one let's have some facts please...

bttt

Speaking from factual knowledge. KAR do not kill puppies/dogs/cats nor kittens.
Go visit the rescue centre and see for yourself.

Stupid people spreading stupid rumours

Would you be kind enough to reveal where you heard this? Who is organizing it ? And will the municipality permit it? I very much doubt it, as they are working with KAR to try to solve the problems of dogs/stray s etc in the Kyrenia area.

And would suggest tha tyou speak to KAR itself to ascertain more about it.

It does indeed sound like a nasty rumour, and why on earth should anyone do such a thing? It doe snot help anyone -=neither man nor 'beast'.

There is a stir about this on facebook as well.

I am also skeptical, and do not want to really comment on this as I do not have witnessed this first hand,

BUT

contrary to suel5's statement,

some of the people who is talking about this I know them personally and they are far from 'stupid people spreading stupid rumors'

KAR probably believe they are doing best of what they can under current circumstances,

BUT

things I have heard over the years combined with the recent events led me to believe that KAR is not 100% transparent about their operations. I do kind of understand why they would want to hide some details and keep it to their inner circles.

I am not blaming anybody for anything, and already feel sad about participating in such a thread, I know its not fair for anybody, but definitely not fair for the poor animals.

Kemal

I am going to need my flack jacket I reckon. I think KAR do an excellent job under very very difficult circumstances, I am an animal lover . But if KAR were doing this, humanely to puppies and kittens, surely it would make sense.

Only 1 hour ago a pack of nine assorted dogs roaming around Alsancak and one was hit by a pick up truck.

There are just not enough kind people to care for the amount of animals, how many of us have finished up taking on 4 or 5 dogs, or 8 cats.

Kemal has a point in saying "KAR are not always transparent". I have just visited the KAR website to see what their policy is on euthanasia but can find nothing.

My understanding is that KAR only "put down" animals that are terminally ill or incurable to avoid unnecessary suffering , and then only after consultation with a Vet and done by the Vet : if that is so I strongly recommend they put a Statement to that effect on the Website and hereto scotch what on the face of it sounds like a very nasty rumour which will harm volunteers and supporters as well as the animals.

Sue15 I am not a stupid person and I am not spreading rumours.
And you do not know for a fact whether it is true or not. Just by going to the pound proves nothing.
I'm not saying I believe that pups are being killed I asked if anyone else knows about it as I would like some facts
Marion it appeared on Facebook other than that I know nothing else this is why I asked the question does anyone else know about it.
.

Perhaps, if the objectors really do object, they could take 2-3 pups each, and relieve KAR of their overcrowding issue, or club together and fund more kennels etc for KAR, or just do something objective and constructive.

I posted a long long time ago on the Cy44 when there was fund raiser or something for KAR, can't fully remember to be honest, that what the island needs (both sides) is a cull to reduce, or ideally remove the menace of strays, dogs and cats.
Not what everyone wants to hear I know, but it would stop the ongoing stray breeding, and the transmit of disease in many cases.

Ideally, many owners also need culling, but that might be frowned upon a little.

kbasat wrote:There is a stir about this on facebook as well.

I am not blaming anybody for anything, and already feel sad about participating in such a thread, I know its not fair for anybody, but definitely not fair for the poor animals.

Kemal

Who has said they (KAR) are killing puppies?

Please explain the stir about this on facebook as I can find nothing about it on their website or their facebook page... Not surprising given that there are many facebook pages with KAR initials in them that are nothing to do with them.

I don't think any cats or dogs read this board so I'm pretty sure they won't be traumatised by this being discussed.

So is your statement meant to confirm that you know this is true? Or do you mean "if was true it wouldn't be fair for the poor animals"

Or is it in fact a concerted attempt by certain ne'er-do-wells to blacken the name of KAR. If I was KAR I wouldn't give this any oxygen but I guess now they are going to have to respond.

I'm pretty sure there is no truth in the bare statement. Having said that - given certainr extreme circumstances like serious injury or illness that necessitates the humane euthanasia of an animal as advised by a vet it would be justified. Nobody wants to see an animal suffer needlessly.

The society has a strict no killing policy and I'm sure they will be very hurt to hear these awful rumours.

Groucho,
I am not an investigator, not a lawyer and definitely not a judge. I do have an opinion and I may as well be wrong.

Transparency, transparency, transparency...

Here is one link:
https://www.facebook.com/PetsonStreetsS ... =1&theater

I'm reading about this and commenting pretty late in the day, as it were - and I know absolutely nothing about the case...

EXCEPT THIS ! - Not everything that you read on Facebook is true

I recently received a Facebook message saying that a person that I know was married last Saturday - I was rather surprised, but nonetheless sent my congratulations and best wishes, only to be informed that it was a nonsensical posting made by someone with malicious or other intent.

My point being that if you read something on Facebook that doesn't seem, on balance, to be likely, then it would probably be better to check the facts with the people actually named (in this case KAR) rather than propagate and thus circulate the (possible) falsehood on a public forum.

If I were to ask the question "Is thornaby cheating on his/her wife/husband" on this forum he/she would be understandably outraged ( and please understand, I am suggesting nothing if the sort!) - and it would be no defense on my part to point out that I was simply 'asking an innocent question' in order to acquire information. Yet he/she thinks it is appropriate to spread this information/misinformation under the guise of 'innocently' asking a question about it. I think that this is somewhat disingenuous, to say the least, and that the people to approach in the first instance should have been KAR, or at the minimum, to require substantiation of the allegation from whoever gave him the information.

I have no idea of thornaby's identity or his/her motivations in making this posting, but a great deal of misinformation and misunderstanding is disseminated via the internet, and everything that you read via this medium needs to be sieved through the filter of commonsense (if that makes sense ).

I refer you to the classic comment on this subject: -



Just my own opinion...

Can anyone do a better job? - I don't think so and if these rumours are true - get realistic they can not save every animal I feel sorry for the person who is supposed to carry out this task but I bet the pups do not die feeling unloved, starving and get properly put to sleep. If anyone can solve the problem of animals multiplying , people who have to leave the island at short notice, finding homes for every animal I am sure KAR would love to hear from you. If you can do better ................

KAR do not put healthy dogs / pups / cats to sleep, that is not their company ethic or policy.

Whoever is spreading the rumours need to get their facts straight and maybe before spreading damaging rumours on social sites contact KAR to find out the truth and then publish that.

And if true anyone organising a protest on Republic day, what were they thinking!

Like other,s I have received nothing on Facebook, and must say that I am glad , for I would have asked the same question as I asked above, namely who si claling this protest and why.

This country is nowhere near the same stage of animal rights and ethics as are others, but is making good progress. In other countries they eat dogs and it is an acceptable delicacy, and those who sell the dogs are desperate fo rmoney to feed their families. And is everyone who objects ot puppies being 'put down' a vegetarian, or are they happy to have other animals to be slaughtered, often brutally, so they can have food on the table and in their bellies. The point I am making is to get thing sinto perspective. If these pups have no chance of a life and if they have nowhere ot live and if those who are up in arms at the thought of a puppy dying canot save them by giving them a home - then what is the answer? That is a universal question.

For KAR they do their very best , but for some the 'best' is not enough. What is the answer with all these animals? Whether KAR put animals donw or not is nowhere near as important (in one sense) as those who would criticize them for doing so (if they did0 without providing an answer to the problem.

Even Battersea Dogs Home has for years had a policy of having to cull the many dogs that cannot be found homes. IF and only IF KAR had a similar policy would that make them into some kind of uncaring, barbaric organisaiton that had no concern for the animals in the country. ? I think not. And just maybe one should look beyond KAR and their magnificent work and look to the government on whose shoulders the ultimate responsibility must rest for all creatures in this land. But they are now endeavouring to move forward, working with KAR in many instances.

So again, and no one has answered this so far - who ARE these people who are to protest? And another question is what will it achieve? I feel dreadfully sorry for KAR to have their name besmirched in such a manner especially as no one ha sput their hands up to say 'I am organizing this and I am doing it because................................'
Hopefully if it should happen and if it should ruin the celebration s of the nation's birthday, I hope the police intervene and bring it to a speedy halt.

Forgot to say that definitely one should never trust everything one reads or hears. Most philosophies/religions suggest that all is tested before being fully digested - I know only too well how easily the written word can mislead, and how often mistakes are made on the truth of any subject, especially when it can also be lost in translation.

.

What really really annoys me is how easy it is for some to accept an account of this nature without any truth being established and jump on board.... For a start the title of the thread is misleading and is quite shameful.

The implications of the posts here appear to indicate folk have made their minds up that it is true - when I believe nothing could be further from the truth...

You may call it freedom of speech but this is freedom to slander....

This type of campaign against individuals and organisations alike can be found throughout the internet and is one of the internet's weaknesses.... People find time to make up false allegations for wicked purposes and are seldom brought to task. We as users need to be mindful of our duty of care not to give credence to rubbish like this lest we give the trolls oxygen....

Couldn't agree more but think it's time for KAR to make a formal statement to end the gossip!

Art wrote:Couldn't agree more but think it's time for KAR to make a formal statement to end the gossip!

The problem is if its true, will people still donate? others will make out every pup is culled and if anyone goes up to the centre they will realise this is very untrue. This post is probably doing KAR a lot of harm and I for one can not understand what the purpose of it unless someone wants to take over the challenge of running KAR or stirring the brown stuff.
It reminds me of people repeating things that they know will hurt the person they are telling
For example Mr Jones telling Mr Brown, Mr Smith told him Mr Brown looked awful in this garden trousers. All it really did was upset Mr Brown who before being told was oblivious to any gossip and it served no purpose apart from now Mr Brown does not speak to Mr Smith. The question is why did Mr Jones do this? and in this case why is somebody highlighting something KAR may or may not be doing as the end result is the same they are hurting an organisation which struggles enough.

At the risk of needing my tin hat, I would say that for me personally, provided there was a proper humane culling program in place to manage the ever growing problem of stray/abandoned dogs, far from discouraging me, it would encourage me to contribute to KAR. I would see it as a sensible step in trying to cope with a problem which many seem to think can be dealt with by simply giving money to a cause which is a bit like the little boy who shoved his finger in the dam! Sorry but it really is time for some common sense to prevail. OK tin hat firmly in place!!!!

I am locking the topic now as the "protest" if there is one is today, and the thread seems to have run its course. Opinions have been expressed and this can only degenerate into a slanging match which I am sure nobody benefits from. If this has served to focus on the problem then "job done". Hopefully the truth will out.