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Did any of you share a efes and a meze with this pair then?

Kav

Or buy a toaster or kettle from them?

Scary Mary

all that money and looks to !!!!

Bought a hairdryer. Good grief, with those teeth, she would scare Dracula!!!

Why did they need to sell goods on a market stall when they had all that money!

Ragged Robin wrote:Why did they need to sell goods on a market stall when they had all that money!

To fit in and not draw attention lol.

Also a good way of transferring the money out of the UK without going through banks I guess!?! They also bought and sold gold, another way to launder money.
Shame, they always seemed a lovely couple, guess you can never tell.

Yes I bought form them - quite a few things, reasonably priced, and found them lovely people to deal with. Their prices were good and fair. There are those who would say I was sucked in by them, but normally I am pretty perspicacious or there is more to it.

I was told for a fact that they were renting here, and that they did not own the plac e in which they live.d Maybe that was a fib.
I cannot think that a way of 'hiding' was to sell at market stalls! I also met her at the doctors when she had been fasting a little too severely during Ramadan and made herself ill.
It is interesting that many people in positions of status (including out here) manage to get work for their companies or those of relatives and earn lots of money out of their positions. Fair tender doe s not seem to apply.

They may have done wrong, but I can thin k of far worse crimes, and maybe it is because it was the NHS and not a private organization, it sounds worse The tale of 'the poor sick who might have bene treated' is Daily Mirror style writing. The NHS wastes far more money than that amount fiddled.

I am not justifying what they did - people make mistakes and they will be paying for this. I know of others who have managed to keep money after conducting frauds - these two obviously hav e not.

No I haven't had an Efes with them, but if they came back I would love to sit and talk to them and hear the story from their point of view - but I doubt that wil happen.

It is very, very sad, but as I say, I found them to be two of the nicest people on the island - or am I just too gullible.?

Marion on the surface they might have seemed a very nice couple but the fact she did not even go back to her own mums funeral says a lot to me.
Yes there are a lot worse crimes but a crime is a crime regardless of who that crime was against and if you do the crime then expect to do the time.

I agree, crime is crime, and if you get caught, you do your time.
None of us know the circumstances, I have met much worse people in my time. Cancer charity collectors for one. Delivering to hospitals, where the nurses are standing around having a laugh.
Like Marion, I'd like to hear their side of the story.

Marions it wasn't the NHS they were stealing from it was us the taxpayers, people work hard and cannot afford to have expensive cars a new Jaguar convertible and a Mercedes property in the Lake District rented out as a holiday home, an apartment in Dubai and exotic life style they had. What kind of story can they tell you if they can fraud to the extent they did then they can tell lies reading the full story in the newspaper and having seen the report on BBC tonight there can be no excuse for what they have done and in my eyes 2 years behind bars for her and 3 years 4 months for him not enough. £300,000 is the amount that can be tracked it could be thousands more and probably is. They bought equipment for the NHS from their own 3 companies charging inflated prices.

It is very, very sad, but as I say, I found them to be two of the nicest people on the island - or am I just too gullible.?

Marion, they are criminals, they didn't make a mistake, they knew exactly what they were doing and enjoyed the spoils of their ill gotten gains. Harold Shipman was also supposed to be a very nice man but would you want to sit and chat with him

Totally agree with Woodspeckie and Elizabeth.

Marion quoted "Their prices were good and fair" ..... yeah.so were the houses that Gary Robb was selling many years ago, look what happened there.

Ragged Robin wrote:Why did they need to sell goods on a market stall when they had all that money!

quote article - what a shame
They also sent money to Cyprus and Turkey ahead of their escape to fund a lavish lifestyle on the run after Leigh was first quizzed by police, but much of it was lost when a Pakistani bank collapsed.
Judge Hon Judge Leeming QC said: “The business that they used to send the money went bust, quite spectacularly – perhaps quite ironically.”
I just hope people like Marions who said they were lovely people took in their animals as nobody has ever said what happened to them.

I think the kind people at Club Tropicana took in and gave a home to a dog belonging to these people. Am sure someone will confirm this! I bought some bits of the 'Lady' when she stood the little market at Lemar Karakum and also Errols, Ozankoy
I can remember chatting to her about some new curtains one of the little shops had made for me and she told me she could not afford new and had to lengthen some old ones by putting different fabric on the bottom.
Made me feel a bit stupid as I believed her and then I found out how much money she and her partner had got! I honestly thought she was genuine !

Wendy BBB's other half.

Flowerfairy quoted:

"I have met much worse people in my time. Cancer charity collectors for one."

What do you mean by this?

Hope this statement does not concern the TRNC!

Was wondering that myself Bernie????

Bernie wrote:Flowerfairy quoted:

"I have met much worse people in my time. Cancer charity collectors for one."

What do you mean by this?

Hope this statement does not concern the TRNC!

Yes a very badly worded contribution and open to all sorts of misinterpretation.... Let's hope it's not going to turn into another 'killing puppies' thread

Yes Flower fairy as a volunteer for NCCCT handling money, could you please clarify your comment. Are you referring to collectors here or in the UK?

My apologies, the Cancer charity people I was referring to were people in the UK that I thought were friends, years ago.

I am in full admiration of the charity volunteers over here, bless them, and my friends know that I would never ever insinuate otherwise.

The point that I was trying to make, I don't like to judge people when I don't know the facts. I did buy from this couple, they seemed nice enough to me, but who am I to judge?, I did also wonder why they worked so hard at all the markets, when they supposedly had so much money.

Maybe I should have elaborated, but I didn't want to be accused of going ''of topic''.

Thanks for the apology and explanation, flower fairy, That was the answer I hoped for.

flowerfairy.
The facts are they have been found guilty of robbing the NHS ( us tax payers ) and have been gailed for it.
What more facts do you need??

Surely stealing from the NHS is not tax but from people who paid into National Insurance all their working lives and because we chose to live abroad and thus save the NHS a lot in routine treatment, can't now access the NH in an emergency under three (or is it six months) now? That is: some of use!

That the NHS may negligent is no excuse - two wrongs don't make a right! Its like saying its OK to rob banks because some Directors get obscene amounts of bonus: its not the fat cats that suffer it is ordinary customers and investors who lose money.

I still dont see that paying transport of consumer goods and taking them through customs and then selling cheap is an effective form of money laundering!

I worked in the NHS for over 40 years and saw millions of pounds wasted by incompetent senior managers and chief executives on a daily basis, they are not prosecuted but rewarded!
This couple were just unlucky getting caught!!

It has been said before, but crime = time. Get on with it criminals! Tough sh1t

Ragged Robin wrote:I still dont see that paying transport of consumer goods and taking them through customs and then selling cheap is an effective form of money laundering!

Money laundering is any process that converts dirty money into money with no crime associated with it... so buying goods with stolen cash and transporting them abroad to be sold (even at a loss) will convert dirty money that could be traced into cash that can't -

Like this example - I've got stolen money but it's dirty and can be traced so I want to launder it - I buy a kettle that is shop soiled and has no enforceable guarantee (probably off the back of a lorry) for £20 - so I've converted cash into goods - but I don't really want a kettle - I transport the kettle to Cyprus - I pay the import duties and sell the kettle - I've now got some cash in Cyprus and it can't be traced back to the UK.... do you get it now?

bornunderabadsign wrote:I worked in the NHS for over 40 years and saw millions of pounds wasted by incompetent senior managers and chief executives on a daily basis, they are not prosecuted but rewarded!
This couple were just unlucky getting caught!!

There is a big difference in money being wasted and money being stolen, this couple were purchasing items for the NHS from their own companies and selling it at inflated prices to the NHS, that's stealing our money not wasting it. The sentences are a laugh should have at least been double.

sorry, wasted.... stolen.... much of the same thing, I think !!!!
I wonder if you have ever tried to run your own business,add the sums up !!!...

flowerfairy wrote:sorry, wasted.... stolen.... much of the same thing, I think !!!!
I wonder if you have ever tried to run your own business,add the sums up !!!...

Flowerfairy, I totally disagree with the sentiment expressed here.... It's a sad day when we excuse the likes of these two on the basis that others make mistakes which wastes money... The morals are totally different.

Marions,

Please read the article written by Pauline Read in the "North Cyprus Free Press."

You appear to have ruffled her feathers!