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Do you think that Tony Blair Deserves a global legacy award from save the children? He is responsible for making
many orphans. 38 degrees is an organisation that tries to right the wrongs that happen in the world, they are campaigning
to stop this award being given to Blair. you can play your part by signing the petition and posting it on your "twitter", "facebook"
accounts. Play your part and get active!!


http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/s ... gacy-award

Already done. He is a 1st class t----er!!

Tried, but it will only accept a UK postcode.

kaiserphil, use your last one from the UK or fabricate if never a UK resident/lived there.

Tony Blair......the biggest traitor in British history!

Vote labour this is what you get and they voted again and again. This man has no morals and neither does his family.

tomsteel wrote:kaiserphil, use your last one from the UK or fabricate if never a UK resident/lived there.

I can't see the justification in protesting against a liar with a lie.

Signed .... agree with tomsteel, he is a 1st class t----r

Hedge-fund, have you ever heard of "the end justifies the means"? I have to say your last two posts, on two separate, subjects against my view exposes a real rift. So be it, you have a view and so do I - democracy rules!!

tomsteel wrote:Hedge-fund, have you ever heard of "the end justifies the means"? I have to say your last two posts, on two separate, subjects against my view exposes a real rift. So be it, you have a view and so do I - democracy rules!!

Ooops didn't realise it was you - nothing personal. I don't like unnecessary rudeness and blatant contradiction of oneself is hard to follow.

If you consider someone has done wrong by lying - lying cannot be the answer.

Blair's argument would be that the end justified the means and you are advocating the same.

That's just inane.

No, Blair's arguement(s) were based on USA policy, personal greed and hypocracy, hidden by power. Whatever the background to our personal views, he should never receive this award.

tomsteel wrote:No, Blair's arguement(s) were based on USA policy, personal greed and hypocracy, hidden by power. Whatever the background to our personal views, he should never receive this award.

His hypocracy (sic) is beyond compare and he is indeed a war criminal. But I would not become a war criminal to prove my point.

You have no need - the point is proven. Eventually, history will reveal the absolute horror he is/was.

I also tried to sign petition and no post code, decided to leave it out. Went out, and came home to find e-mail thanking me for signing it!!!!!

Ironically, the smiling assassin, Anthony Blair, or A Blair was known to be the person he is from the moment he was born, hence the reason his parents made his first initial and surname and anagram of "B A Liar"

terry2366 wrote:Vote labour this is what you get and they voted again and again. This man has no morals and neither does his family.

A bit much to visit his faults on the whole of his kin.

I fail to see why not, the flats scandal in Bristol and the other conman. His wife and her law firm the nepotism throughout the family and indeed the Labour Party. The association and obsession with dictators. The unwillingness to appear before the committees re Iraq war the comfort letters in Ireland.now the fallout over the toture we will be involved rendition flight he lied about. Overriding residents wishes re his homes in London even using his change of faith to further his nefarious career is that enough .

terry2366 wrote:I fail to see why not, the flats scandal in Bristol and the other conman. His wife and her law firm the nepotism throughout the family and indeed the Labour Party. The association and obsession with dictators. The unwillingness to appear before the committees re Iraq war the comfort letters in Ireland.now the fallout over the toture we will be involved rendition flight he lied about. Overriding residents wishes re his homes in London even using his change of faith to further his nefarious career is that enough .

You may or may not be right Mr and Mrs Blair but I can't see any reference that implicates the whole of his family.... or are we all damned by genetic association?

Yeh, the change of faith bit is what got up my nose (apart from loads of other instances) Similar to a recent repeated episode of Rev. on Dodgyturk.

Is his son not being slipped into a safe seat after his various EU jobs a la Kinnocks helped by Mandeson of the dodgy mortgage thanks to Robinson. Are they not all at it.?

Have you ever met anyone in Germany who admits to have been or had anyone in their family who was a Nazi?? The reason I ask this is because I can never find anyone who admits to having voted TB in for the very first time. I was a staunch paid up member of the Tory Party at the time, having been Chairman of Young Conservative etc., etc., I became totally disillusioned with them all (Maggie Thatcher, John Major et all) and wanted a change, to such an extend I voted him in and paid up my dues to join the Labour Party. It took me a year to realise what a dreadful bunch they were, cancelled my dues and wrote and told them what I thought and why - never did get a reply). Strange to relate I can never find out who voted him in - they must, like me, be out there somewhere!!!

It's interesting - at the same time somewhat amusing and also saddening - how public (and media) opinions change over time, especially relating to politicians. Churchill, during the war, was hero to everyone - but afterwards dumped, and to this day, gradually and increasingly portrayed as a warmonger...
McMillan, famed but later mocked for his "never had it so good" speech (which was actually a warning) and condemned for the Vassal and Profumo scandals...
Kinnock who took on and destroyed (Thank God!) the Militant Tendency - imagine if they had gained power and influence!....
Thatcher - an extremely rare politician - she did what she promised - it's just unfortunate that every individual thought she was going to do it to others, rather than themselves.....
A foreign example - Gorbachev - praised at the time for 'Glasnost' and initiating the breakdown of walls, later shunted aside by Yeltsin, who in turn ceased to be flavour of the period....
Blair...... if John Smith had not died, John Smith would still have been politically assassinated by Blair....
No-one will EVER admit (as a usual Conservative voter) that they voted for Blair - but it is inarguable that many did - and so we got Blair - and we paid for it..... and so did the world....
In this case, it could be claimed that the correct opinion is now appearing..

Jofra, under the circumstances I'm not sure whether I'm brave or stupid to come clean? No-one is perfect and certainly it was a monumental change for me at the time.

I will not be drawn into political fight or have to justify voting for Labour because after living through the Thatcher government I vowed I would never vote for the Tories again. Hopefully history will put her far right policies in a position not far behind Hitler's, he, also wanted to rule the world. She was responsible for so much misery and suicides through despair brought on from losing their means to provide for their families and pay mortgages.

topten wrote:I will not be drawn into political fight or after justify voting for Labour because after living through the Thatcher government I vowed I would never vote for the Tories again. Hopefully history will put her far right policies in a position no far behind Hitler's, he, also wanted to rule the world. She was responsible for so much misery and suicides through despair brought on from losing their means to provide for their families and pay mortgages.

Well said

And of course after 12 years of labour rule it's all roses no wars or men lost, no factories or businesses closed down . Everyone happy suicides no more and the country is a wonderful place to live. And financially the country is much better off. Really ?? Which planet are you one????

well said terry2366.

Labour takers, Tories the sensible ones, Thatcher, we could sure do with her in power now. Labour always for takers in life, no givers, just whining grabbers. Blairs are what Labour is. Grabbing and greedy

Kinnock who took on and destroyed (Thank God!) the Militant Tendency - imagine if they had gained power and influence!....

And that half wit Milliband has brought them all back,.. lets hope to God he does not get the keys to no 10 or we are all doomed

Well said Terry and Geroff. People forget also what a disaster the country was before Thatcher came to power I dread to think what would have happened with even 6 more months of Labour at the time. More massive inflation, massive pay rises, more strikes...public sector, Ford, BL, Gravediggers, Leicester Square being used as a public tip.........

To paraphrase....
"And of course after 4 years of coalition rule it's all roses no noticeable wars or unimportant men lost, no factories or businesses closed down . Everyone happy suicides no more and the country is a wonderful place to live. And financially the country is much better off...", so NOW is the time for all to come (and stay) home to provide the support and bring back the finances to ensure that the current government are returned, and can continue and improve on the marvellous recovery that is now taking place.
Let's all get back NOW, and stay to save the country and ensure it never descends into the abyss again - we must ALL stand together, united, our feet firmly placed and never to leave again our green and promised land!

No it's not all roses and people are having a hard time but at least the country is slowly getting back its pride. The conflicts now are still there caused by blair and bush trying their idea of regime change which has caused these problems do you think Isis would have been there with saddam and gadaffi now they are trying to get rid of Assad. Sure they are bad people but it's for their people to get rid of them not us. It's no good sending our troops in to do half a job and then leave. We have lost enough men just to satisfy the ego,s of power crazy cretins like blair and bush. Still the returned messiah blair has his sticky labour fingers in the Middle East and the Russian ex States while his witch of a wife sues us under the human rights laws her husband and his cronies gave us. God forbid a coalition of labour and the liberals or the snp. And if Scotland and Northern Ireland want independence give it to them . Right I,m off to the pub rant over. Only for coffee of course.

terry2366 wrote:And of course after 12 years of labour rule it's all roses no wars or men lost, no factories or businesses closed down . Everyone happy suicides no more and the country is a wonderful place to live. And financially the country is much better off. Really ?? Which planet are you one????

Wasn't it true that in Thatcher's reign interest rates were at the highest in recent history I believe at one point they reached around 17 per cent great for people like her friends that had plenty of banked cash but for the newly redundant workers, "who through their labours helped them to build their pot" had to sell their homes some that had negative equity. Bless Her

Topten, imo, it's people who think like you that have made Great Britain the country that it is.


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KWAKERT4 wrote:Topten, imo, it's people who think like you that have made Great Britain the country that it is.


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Can't take all the credit Thatcher built the foundations!!!!

top ten what rubbish you talk. Thatcher made GB a country to be proud of. Labour just give out benefits willy nilly and now all GB has is a nation of layabouts wanting every thing for nothing. Blair now in charge of the middle east, no wonder so much unrest and all killing each other.

geroff wrote:top ten what rubbish you talk. Thatcher made GB a country to be proud of. Labour just give out benefits willy nilly and now all GB has is a nation of layabouts wanting every thing for nothing. Blair now in charge of the middle east, no wonder so much unrest and all killing each other.

I TALK RUBBISH!!!!!!!!! what the hell is all that crap, she destroyed a steel industry to be proud of, a coal industry to be proud of, she sold the profitable industry to her cronies. She committed us to buying cheap inferior Japanese steel, which is no longer cheap, coal imported from eastern block countries. Engineering companies going down the pan through cheap imported rubbish Oh yes she gave our country a lot to be proud of, High inflation, a debt we are still paying off to the US, and high unemployment.GEROF

All what you mention was destroyed by greed, unions holding every one to ransom not thatcher. Greed like the Blairs . Steel , coal cars all striking for more more more . well they got it didn't they. stupid lot . Were you proud when GB were being constantly blackmailed to give more more more. thatcher had npo choice but to put a stop to the rot .

Funny how the steel industry in most countries,manufacturing industries in most countries,coal industries in most countries have all gone down the pan was she the leader of these countries as well . The car industry where it took twice as many men twice as long to make a car than elsewhere.. As regards coal if your wife was prepared to pay twice as much for coal than the cheap imports that most other people were buying then you would have been alright but most people wanted to pay a fair price not an over inflated one. The days of subsidising inefficient production is gone thank god. Labour could not run a p**s up in a brewery as proved my the master statesman Brown whose only claim to fame is waiting till gold was at Rock bottom then selling most of ours. Talk about the blind leading the blind there are so many lemmings here but not enough cliffs.

Just for the record you are not allowed to burn British mined coal as the UK is an official "smokeless zone" .

So if we brought up a million tons of coal we couldn't use it as it needs to be cleaned (Washed) to get it anywhere near legal and the cost of that is way too high.

That's the reason why British coal is no longer used not the much peddled fairytale that Maggie wanted shut of it.

This argument is a waste of time because you will never get me or my like to think Thatcher was anything other than a blight on British politics. And I am sick and tired of the Union argument for me the union was a necessary "evil" they fought the "bosses" and got the working classes a wage that their bosses would spend more on a evening out. And fought hard to get safety in factories and down mines, but what does safety matter if we keep them downtrodden, there will always be another waiting to take the place vacated by some one killed working in substandard factories. You probably would still have boys in chimney's.

I agree with you about getting the children out of mines and chimneys but I think your argument is a little old. A fair wage for a fair days work but sadly a lot of the larger unions went too far which as in the car industry made our cars too dear and substandard. You have the perfect example of unions at their best here on this island so the next time the lights go out, the planes cannot take off there is no water or bins empty th offices are closed and you cannot get in the hospital. Put on a happy face you got what you want.
Think of cyprus airways and only 14 pilots per plane .

Whatever you may think of unions, past or present in the UK to compare them with the unions here is ridiculous,even in the days of Red Robbo and the like they couldn't hold a candle to this lot, at least the workers there worked, not like this lot.
We all know who runs the country here and it certainly isn't the government, if they came even close to doing a fair days work for a fair days pay it would be a miracle, and when all else fails to meet their stupid demands they pin a black wreath on the doors of Parliament. What sort of government allows Kibtek to turn off the street lights on the main highway,to switch off traffic lights, to impose power cuts on the people who are paying their bills, to switch off the pumping station which provides water to the households. Then we have the Postal service, or at least we're supposed to have one, that's a laugh, it's easier to receive a letter on the surface of the moon than here in TRNC, if you do get one it's probably taken three weeks to get from Lefcosia.
Sad to say this place will never improve because they don't want to progress, but to survive they will have to and that means someone taking control, but not like Thatcher did, she was heartless.

The car industry , like lots of others, failed because of incompetent management and lack of R&D and investment.
Much the same as how the country is now failing with everything cut to the bone so that the police, fire, ambulance and other services cannot function properly.
This while the city gents who caused the problems in the first place continue to pay themselves massive salaries and bonuses and ordinary folk are forced into minimum wage employment and zero hours contracts where they still need benefits to top up their income.
The "little boys up chimneys " comment from topten was close to the truth as we seem to be returning to the dark old days of the workhouse and food banks.
A once great country buggered up by right wing dogma backed by stupid working class tories!!!
We will unfortunately end up like the states!!!

brian24001 wrote:Ironically, the smiling assassin, Anthony Blair, or A Blair was known to be the person he is from the moment he was born, hence the reason his parents made his first initial and surname and anagram of "B A Liar"

We can all play silly games --Margaret thatcher is The Great Charm Rat or Prime Minister Margaret Hilda Thatcher." -> "I'm Hitler's Grantham impaired cheer tart." the last one would have pleased her.

Its worth noting that every time Labour get into power they leave with the country near bankrupt......FACT

turtle wrote:Its worth noting that every time Labour get into power they leave with the country near bankrupt......FACT

Yes, but you can't tell the this to some so entrenched in their own greed, the Blairs are what Labour became. Self . Self Self , give me give me give me, Margret stood up to the likes of these.
As for quoting suicides, all industries, all jobs have these. Not just the mines, cars or steel. Nothing in life is with out risk, don't think you are for real topten.

"Yes, but you can't tell the this to some so entrenched in their own greed, the Blairs are what Labour became. Self . Self Self , give me give me give me, Margret stood up to.... Correction; FOR... the likes of these."
Why did Blair get in if he had not convinced people he leaned towards Margaret's ideals....? And did he not tell how much he admired and respected her?