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Whilst there have been horror stories here in the TRNC; especially a few years ago, it is not all great in the ROC.

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Jail the Lawyers.

PoshinDevon wrote:Whilst there have been horror stories here in the TRNC; especially a few years ago, it is not all great in the ROC.

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Are you inferring that buyers have no problems getting title deeds in TRNC now.

Astrawray - Yes kettle and pan spring to mind. Horror stories in TRNC re title deeds is not an issue favoured by Kibkom.

Retired wrote:Astrawray - Yes kettle and pan spring to mind. Horror stories in TRNC re title deeds is not an issue favoured by Kibkom.

Whether Kibkom like the subject or not, I can assure you it is still there.

Retired wrote:Astrawray - Yes kettle and pan spring to mind. Horror stories in TRNC re title deeds is not an issue favoured by Kibkom.

What a nicely mixed metaphor Retired - not sure what point you are trying to make as this is a regular theme on Kibkom and the members of Kibkom are under no illusions as to the problems of Title Deeds... are you trying to say we dare not discuss the issues?

An observation I made previously.

Retired wrote:An observation I made previously.

If you refer to court cases won but no winnings forthcoming I think you'll find that this happens in the UK too.... A finding in your favour does not guarantee that you'll get what the Law says you should... that's a problem the world over.

Still don't see that 'Kibkom' is necessarily needs taking to task - but then I may be missing something - so please elucidate.

Really cannot compare to UK, cannot ever remember a case where a developer/builder was able to re mortgage a property after it was sold.

Please will everyone calm down.

I and many others are well aware of the problems with regards to title deeds etc here in the north, something that has been ongoing for a long time. It has been discussed at length on this forum many times. It is an emotive subject and as such moderators have often had to step in to ensure that things do not get out of hand.

My link was posted as an interest item and to show that whilst there have and still are problems here in the north, there are also problems in the ROC.

Whilst some may not agree, I believe that over the past couple of years things in the north whilst not perfect, have got better.

Sensible discussion on this subject is acceptable, however if the thread deteriorates into keyboard abuse then either the thread or individual postings will be locked/deleted.

PoshinDevon..tranquillisers at the ready!

Groucho...point made!

PoshinDevon wrote:Please will everyone calm down.

I and many others are well aware of the problems with regards to title deeds etc here in the north, something that has been ongoing for a long time. It has been discussed at length on this forum many times. It is an emotive subject and as such moderators have often had to step in to ensure that things do not get out of hand.

My link was posted as an interest item and to show that whilst there have and still are problems here in the north, there are also problems in the ROC.

Whilst some may not agree, I believe that over the past couple of years things in the north whilst not perfect, have got better.

Sensible discussion on this subject is acceptable, however if the thread deteriorates into keyboard abuse then either the thread or individual postings will be locked/deleted.

PoshinDevon, as you started the thread titled "Title Deeds ROC" can you share your beliefs regarding "over the past couple of years things in the north whilst not perfect, have got better"

What "things"? are you referring to, are you now referring to Title Deeds in the North?

All I am saying is that having spoken to a number of people who have or are in the process of purchasing property in the north plus estate agents and a couple of advocats on this very emotive subject over the last two years, many have said to me that whilst it is not perfect they do get the feeling that things are slowly improving.

In the north for example the process of obtaining permission to purchase which as we all know is required by most to obtain their deeds has speeded up considerably. When we purchased we were told it would take 3 years....in actual fact it took 14 months.

Whilst there are still many who are experiencing problems from a few years ago, in my own opinion is "things" appear in the north to be slowly improving. Some may agree with me and others may not - fully understand that.

As I said I posted my original link for interest, to highlight the fact that in the ROC there are also problems around title deeds.

The property industry in the TRNC requires a complete overhaul. Government, judiciary, developers, land owners, estate agents, advocates, banks and Tapus et al have all conspired to fleece. I'll, at the risk of being castigated, repeat the oft-stated good advice for Cyprus -"rent, do NOT buy." How I wish I had been so advised 7+ years ago, 5th advocate on a simple conveyance issue, thousands of TL out of pocket and still no kocan, nor chance of getting it.

PoshinDevon wrote:All I am saying is that having spoken to a number of people who have or are in the process of purchasing property in the north plus estate agents and a couple of advocats on this very emotive subject over the last two years, many have said to me that whilst it is not perfect they do get the feeling that things are slowly improving.

In the north for example the process of obtaining permission to purchase which as we all know is required by most to obtain their deeds has speeded up considerably. When we purchased we were told it would take 3 years....in actual fact it took 14 months.

Whilst there are still many who are experiencing problems from a few years ago, in my own opinion is "things" appear in the north to be slowly improving. Some may agree with me and others may not - fully understand that.

As I said I posted my original link for interest, to highlight the fact that in the ROC there are also problems around title deeds.

Both sides have been slow to tackle the Title Deed problem. If TRNC is moving from under the cloud(of it's Title Deed problem) that's a good situation to be in.

I cannot speak of RoC property issues as I have neither experience nor interest in it - I do not live there. However, successive TRNC Government Ministers have spoken of solutions in my nearly 7 years here, but little constructive has been achieved to right the crimes of the past, happening now and likely in the future. I do not see how the situation, less the speeding up of the PTP process, has improved; other than the views of those implicitly involved in this corrupt industry with their own personal/financial agendas. Where is the research, facts, data to support this 'improvement?" Where has it been published for us to read?

I totally agree Tomsteel. I know quite a few people who are in your situation.

tomsteel/Retired........

I will state again, I posted the original link merely for interest, not to stir up a hornets nest - the subject has been turned over many times. Some will have had a positive experience and others not so.

I never mentioned anything about having any evidence/facts etc, I merely stated that in my opinion and for the reasons I stated and I know some will disagree, the situation seems to have improved over the last couple of years.

Whilst we did not, I do agree that renting before buying is much the preferred way to go, if of course the individuals circumstances allow them to do it.

PoshinDevon, you intent for posting is not an issue, for me anyway. However, I do feel that to state improvement to those visiting this site is far from fair, whatever your personal opinion. There has to be proof - else all else is just opinion and we all know they are like bottoms in that everybody has one.

tomsteel

It was personal opinion to which we are all entitled. You may not agree and that is fine with me but in essence that is partly what a forum is partly about - personal opinions.

For example I may like a certain restaurant, others may think it not so good for their own reasons.

I just found it interesting that the ROC was experiencing problems with property deeds. I have no doubt that in many other countries all over the world there are people experiencing the same problems.

We must agree to disagree about an improving TRNC property industry. I support your right to your opinion. ENDEX!

PoshinDevon wrote:tomsteel

It was personal opinion to which we are all entitled. You may not agree and that is fine with me but in essence that is partly what a forum is partly about - personal opinions.

For example I may like a certain restaurant, others may think it not so good for their own reasons.

I just found it interesting that the ROC was experiencing problems with property deeds. I have no doubt that in many other countries all over the world there are people experiencing the same problems.

I hope everybody is entitled to a personal opinion,even the ones you do not agree with.

Original posting contained a link to an article about title deeds in the ROC.

The issue surrounding title deeds in the north has been discussed many times on this forum.

This thread is now locked.

Good article, thanks for sharing PoshinDevon.
Also, thanks for closing the thread, a pity but a good move under the circumstances.