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Please, please can anyone help? Do you know the whereabouts of Angela and Peter Hogan who owned 5 dogs? We believe they lived in Karsiyaka area. They left their dogs at K9 Country Kennels​ for 5 days saying they were moving house. They were supposed to collect their dogs on Monday but have not been back or even made contact. Suzan has been trying to call them to make arrangements since last Saturday (to make arrangements for collection) but their phones are switched off. My concern is not only for the dogs but also for the health of Suzan, who many of you know is recovering from a heart attack. As you can imagine she is seriously worried and stressed about these dogs being dumped on her by this heartless couple and would like to re-unite them with their rightful owners. Unfortunately due to the kennels being fully booked out from Monday if the owners are NOT found the only alternative is to have these 5 beautiful, loving, well cared for dogs put to sleep. A dreadful situation for anyone to be put in but for someone who is such a dedicated dog lover is it just too awful for words. Please share and share again in the hope these dogs have a happy ending.

So sorry, p;s canu put this onFB Spyder then can be shared

I copied and pasted my message from FB hence the bit about sharing! Sorry! My brain is mashed potato at the moment at the thought of what will happen to these poor dogs.

Spyder wrote:...the only alternative is to have these 5 beautiful, loving, well cared for dogs put to sleep...

Really?

The only alternative?

How about telling people who had booked that they would have to find alternative accommodation, or possibly have their dogs 'doubled up''?

Does financial reward come before care for animal welfare in your house?

It seems to me that your protestations about care for the animals conceals your actual motive - PROFIT

Anyway, this sounds like scare-mongering to me.

And, incidentally, just HOW, exactly do you propose to have them 'Put to Sleep''?

No Vets here will kill a healthy animal - are you intending to slaughter them yourself?

I am not unsympathetic to your situation, but I don't think that such tactics will gain you much support!

I do think that as a commercial operation, you should be aware of, and prepared for this kind of situation, and have some sort of contingency plan in place.

...Unless of course, this actually IS your contingency plan!

Apparently this 'dog loving family' has moved onto a better life in Abu Dhabi.... say no more

Spyder wrote:Unfortunately due to the kennels being fully booked out from Monday if the owners are NOT found the only alternative is to have these 5 beautiful, loving, well cared for dogs put to sleep.

Is this actually in the kennel rental agreement that you put people's dogs to sleep if they are late for picking them up and your kennels are full?

It is terrible of these people dumping these dogs on you, if they did, but you are not any better after this even more terrible implication.

This is such a sad world full of really sad people, shame...

These comments seem to be extremely unfair to throw such criticism to the OP as I believe she is not the owner of the kennel and has been pointed out the owner is a very sick woman who has been helped by friends to maintain her business whilst unwell. The OP is concerned purely for the welfare of the dogs and it would perhaps be appreciated more if suggestions could be put forward as to what can be done. K9 Kennels is a business which does not have space for unwanted animals.

The owner of the kennels and the OP are first and foremost animal lovers and I believe financial gain is not in this equation.

Hi Soner,

I do understand what you are saying, and the post started off well enough, with a plea for help and information, which no one would consider unreasonable.

However, when it reverted to 'Scare Tactics' by threatening to have the animals 'Put Down' the emphasis shifted completely.

An appeal for a Foster Home might be more appropriate, given the information in Post 5...

Threats to KILL the animals just don't help!

Threats to kill the animals may help if the owners read the forum, this would then make them think of their responsibility for the welfare of the animals' futures. If anyone is in the wrong then it is the owners for dumping their dogs in this way.

Threats to kill the animals does not help with anything.

Those poor animals are probably the only innocent party in this whole mess and nobody should use any threats to their well being for any purpose whatsoever.

Of course owners dumping poor dogs are the ones at fault here, nobody claiming otherwise.

So, the original poster apologizing for unnecessary extreme remarks regarding future well being of animals, and accepting no future intentional harm is meant for the dogs is needed in my opinion.

K.

Don't believe an apology is needed. Suggestions as to what to do more like it. Let the owners know what they may have done to the fate of their dogs because of their irresponsible actions (whether OP means it or not). Anything less may encourage other to do the same - a pet is for life, don't dump them on others when you no longer want them - for whatever reasons.

If as seems likely, the owners have indeed intentionally dumped these animals and left the country, then there is little that can be done other than trying to find a new home for these animals, a task that is in reality extremely difficult, even in the medium or long term let alone 'urgently'. As Keithcaley has already pointed out and even putting aside the morality of it, having them put to sleep may well not be a viable option in any case. Other than that the only other option, again putting aside morality, is to dump them some where else or on some one else. What other options are there ?

Well said Sonar !!!

There are too many people on this forum to quickly criticise others. The lady in question is recovering from a heart attack..... Do you really think she needs this added stress !!
It's a very sad world we live in at the moment when people care more about animals then they do of people !!

cracker,

The person who has caused all of this controversy by threatening to have the animals killed is the original poster - 'Spyder'.

The arguments are directed at her, not at the lady who is ill.

Can we get something clear?

Is she still threatening to have them put down or not?

If not, could she post on here herself and confirm this?

I would just add: If you try to reinforce a plea for help by making exaggerated claims or threats, then it will actually detract from the original purpose of the post.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I have copied and pasted Spyders post in a message to Peter Hogan on Facebook.

Anyone else who wants to do the same can find him here: https://www.facebook.com/peter.hogan.330?ref=br_rs

... and I do hope that the owner makes a speedy recovery!

Looking on this 'gentlemans' FB page, as anyone can do so I hope I am not going to get accused of snooping, . he is clearly announcing to the world that he is leaving the island for a new teaching job. He was teaching at ESK and GAU - his words!
Maybe his former work colleagues could throw some positive light on this.
BBB's other half. - with good intentions!

Keithcaley

The person who posted this thread is merely trying to help !! The poster he/she has not threatened to put the animals to sleep. I do know all the facts seeing as I received a message on facebook !! This person is doing everything possible to track the dog owners down. As Soner said controversy on here doesn't help !!!!!

cracker wrote:The poster he/she has not threatened to put the animals to sleep.

Spyder wrote:Unfortunately due to the kennels being fully booked out from Monday if the owners are NOT found the only alternative is to have these 5 beautiful, loving, well cared for dogs put to sleep.

Must be my English being poor then...

Perhaps those who have been so quick to criticise would take on these deliberately abandoned dogs?

If they were the kennel owner, what would they do?

I wonder what would happen if people started putting this story on Facebook so that it spread, it may even reach to where this couple are now. I'm sure they would appreciate their new friends and colleagues hearing what they have done.

Threatening to kill the dogs on a public forum is not a very good advert for the Kennels.

Kibsat,

My Engish is reasonable and that's exactly the way I read it.

It now transpires that the owners of these dogs knew exactly what they were doing. They have now moved to Abu Dhabi and have dumped their dogs so they are someone else's problem - save your venom for Angela and Peter Hogan

All of you slating the decision to have the dogs put to sleep - yes, the owners sign a disclaimer that if they do not come to collect their dogs they will be re-homed if possible or ultimately put to sleep. As for the ridiculous comment asking HOW this will be done, if a vet knows that everything that can be done to find a home has been done then they will consider that this is the only outcome. Also, I can assure you this is not about profit but about giving the sort of service a dog owner expects when they book their dogs in for a holiday. If it was about profit then Suzan would not have 5 dogs of her own at home and also feed and tend to all the needs of 5 more strays. Keith, you know nothing about the situation but love to run your mouth off - it must be a great feeling to be so perfect?

We are trying every possible avenue to find homes for these dogs including radio and newspapers as well as social media. So instead of slagging people off who are trying their very best to sort out a sad situation how about you come up with something constructive? All you who say it is unfair to have the dogs put to sleep may I ask, are you going to take one of the dogs and give them a home????

So STOP your bitching and back biting and PLEASE help us to find these dogs a home URGENTLY!

Spyder,

I really do think you are going about this the wrong way and with aggressive comments made in the final two paragraphs of your last post you will be lucky to get any support.

Spyder, so are you saying that the situation that you described has not changed?

i.e. that if the dogs are not reunited with their owners BY MONDAY, then there is NO ALTERNATIVE but to have these dogs put to sleep?

It was you that said that, wasn't it? - and it was that, that has caused all the controversy, and 'what you asked for' in your original post has now been accomplished - that is, the whereabouts of the owners has been established, and it seems rather unlikely that they are going to reclaim them.

As for coming up with something constructive, I have found out the owners' Facebook page, posted it on here for all to see, copied and pasted your original post as a message to him on Facebook, and suggested that others may wish to do the same, in the hopes of shaming them into action.

I already have a 'house-full' (well, 6 ) of waifs and strays, dumped by others, so I won't be offering any of these dogs a home, I'm afraid.

If you're looking for homes for them, why not put pictures up on here and on Facebook?

I see that you have posted on the 'Hope 4 Pets' Facebook page, but there are no Photos - if you're not sure how to do it, then just email 'em to me keithcaley@yahoo.com , and I'll do it for you.

Keithcaley

Has Spyder actually threatened anywhere in the original post to kill the dogs ? No the poster didn't !! They are trying everything to solve this problem. So wind your neck in and try and help instead of petty nit picking !! Can you re home one or more of the dogs in question ?

I have also put a picture of him and the story as told on my FB page and gone public with it but I am still hoping that this was not a planned exercise - naïve of me I know!
If we can all do this, maybe someone knew this couple and their circumstances and knew if they were capable of leaving their dogs behind but this is not a solution for the future of them, poor things. I am supposing they have been family pets?
We cannot physically home any more but would willingly help in other ways.
This couple used to frequent The Lodge, Catalkoy, Café George, Kyrenia and other establishments East , so maybe they lived this side ?
Did they have family here? Have they broken any laws ?
I feel for the Lady who owns the kennels and hope she makes a speedy recovery and it seems she has good friends around her.

BBB's other half. - just wish I could do more!

cracker wrote:Keithcaley

Has Spyder actually threatened anywhere in the original post to kill the dogs ? No the poster didn't !!

Oh yes she did! -

...Unfortunately due to the kennels being fully booked out from Monday if the owners are NOT found the only alternative is to have these 5 beautiful, loving, well cared for dogs put to sleep...

cracker wrote:...wind your neck in and try and help instead of petty nit picking...

See my previous post

cracker wrote:...Can you re home one or more of the dogs in question ?

Again, see my previous post

Spider no vet would consider this the best outcome as you say in message twenty.
It is illegal in this country to put a dog to sleep even if it is suffering, the vets are not even allowed to import the humane drugs that are used in the UK.
I hope the owners do get to know about the postings but if they are capable of abandonment in this fashion I am guessing they have no consciences anyway, so it will be water off a duck's back.

Need hammer and chisel here !! I'm saying the post says the dogs will have to be put to sleep. ..... Spyder isn't saying she's going to put them to sleep !! Spyder is posting and passing on the original message

At least it keeps the 'thread' at the top...

I accept what you say, although I think that she didn't make it clear, and I still think that it was counter-productive, as it diverted attention away from the dogs.

My offer to help with 'photos stands.

Does anyone know for certain the owners have left the island?

Looking after 5 dogs would indicate they are dog lovers and being a school teacher is a very responsible positon.

I'm probable wrong but there could be mitigating circumstances to this very unfortunate situation.

With regards to Monday's deadline is it a question of having no room for the 5 dogs or is it related to the cost of keeping the dogs ?I

Art - It has come to light that the property these people were living in with their five dogs was a rented villa via Ian Smiths. Does anyone have a contact within this company or better still is someone within the company a Kibkomer , who could shed some light on where these people are now? A forwarding address maybe? It may be client confidentiality but in a case of animal abandonment they could help ?
They may still have family on the island as well!

BBB's other half.

Ok and maybe ex-colleagues from the school can explain where they are and what's going on.

Still waiting to hear if the deadline is driven by money or shortage of kennel space.

If it's money I'm sure we could organise a fundraiser.

The first post said that the kennels are Fully booked out from Monday next!
I know it is hard to swallow that an educated teacher could plan and carry out such a cruel and devious act on his family pets but as time goes by and more is being found out about him and his family, it is looking to be all stacked against him.
In my eyes, the kennels and the owner are the innocents here just as the five dogs are.
I do believe they have gone, him and her but there may be still family here but the dogs are obviously not wanted!
All we can do now is pool our resources, limited as they are because no doubt like me, some of us are bursting at the seams but the five dogs deserve and need all our help!
As for the humans - they will get their true deserts! Soner -can you pull a few strings please for the dog's.

BBB's other half. ( better start getting himself's tea ready)

As I have repeatedly posted, if there is a genuine reason, why don't the owners come clean and explain. or at least get someone to post for them? This stinks!!!Yes I do recognise him from George's and the Lodge. as well as the dogs, I do feel for Suzanfrom K9 SHE CAN DO WITHOUT ALL THIS BACK BITING.

Over the past 12 months, 8 dogs have been dumped to my garden, 4 siblings at one time.

Even though I own 3 huge dogs, 2 horses, 1 donkey, 3 miniature goats, 2 rabbits, 2 pheasants and 70 tortoises, I took them in, gave them food, tick medicine and shelter. I have then proceeded to find them new homes but never ever considered or stated that I would have to put them down to sleep if no home can be found by x day...

Owning a dog kennel comes with its own calculated risks, and having pets dumped on you is just one of them. If you cannot handle the stress of it, and your only contingency plan is to put the poor dogs to sleep, then maybe you are not fit for this job and simply need to retire or do something else.

We are yet to see any pictures of these animals so maybe we can assist to find new homes for them. Thats the humane thing to do, not start the conversation with 'we will have to put them down because we are fully booked from Monday onwards'.

There are pictures of all dogs on Facebook Hope4pets

Thank you Owl Lady, the pictures are indeed on fb, as are the picsthat the dumper of the dogs, on his own timeline, are. They are mostly pics of himself, posing...
I have shared publicly
As an owner of 6 dogs, 9 ferals and a kitten dumped on us last week I am so sorry but I do not have space time or funds for anymore and it makes me sad

I really do think some of you are being totally unfair to the lady who has literally had FIVE dogs dumped on her.
It has been stated and I believe it, that she looks after numerous dogs now without having five more. in one go just dumped.
Yes, we take in as our choice, one at a time until the numbers grow but FIVE ! Come on now folks can you imagine this!
I know my other half would make a bed up at his works - no way.
The only one to have a go at is the man, the teacher Peter Hogan and in some ways his wife Angela for being second party to this happening.
This is a small island and I would love to hear from the Police about this man.
Do they know of him, has he been a naughty boy in anyway, maybe so!
Please do not stray from the wrong here - there are five dogs that need all our help !
The man in question because he has not come forward has proven his guilt.

BBB's other half.

Apologies for duplicating my last post.
Could one who knows more than me delete one! Thank you. BBB's other half.

Nobody is saying anything about the KENNEL owner who has been dumped 5 dogs. The only criticism is to the original poster who is threatening to kill(get killed) healthy animals, which as far as I understood, is not the actual owner of the kennels.

Even though the person who owned and dumped these dogs are the guilty party, but killing or even talking about killing innocent dogs is not the answer, this is what I have been saying and defending from the beginning.

I have seen the facebook post with pictures just now, and I will NOT share because it has the same idiotic remarks 'These dogs need to URGENTLY find new homes or they will have to be put to sleep.'

They are nice dogs and I am sure at least some of them will have chance to good homes.

If you want do do something about it, write up nice text and we will share, start a fundraiser and we will donate...

BUT PLEASE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT KILLING POOR ANIMALS. HOW HARD THAT CAN BE?

I only hope that the owner of this kennel does not know about these write-ups that involves killing innocent animals and she has better attitude towards well being of animals in general.

Kbasat sorry don't under stand the first line of your last posting!

Think it is quite obvious Kbasat has made a mistake and means "dogs"

Owl Lady wrote:Kbasat sorry don't under stand the first line of your last posting!

I apologize for typo, I edited my post to make it read properly (I hope)

Judge , jury and executioner sums up this forum of late , personally I wait till I hear both sides of the argument before reaching assumptions , Baaaaaaaaaaa

Agreed normally I would say wait till you hear both sides, but it doesn't look as the owners are going to respond,does it??? They have had sufficient time IMO!!

We are where we are - so Art raises a good point - we need to buy us time and do a fund raise to help these dogs in temporary accommodation

I am sure some of us are willing to support this..

Tin hat on waiting for the flak but I have broad shoulders and can take it, ok this person or persons had to make a decision due to work curcumstances and leave the island in a short period of time to take up a position of work in another country and could not take the dogs with him/them. At least he/they put them in Kennels and paid (I assume) for thier keep for a certain period.
I am a contractor and do have to leave the island sometimes to go to work which is why I can not commit to owning or fostering a pet and this is the longest period I have ever had without having dogs in my family and I do miss the company and friendship that only a loyal canine can give and I stated (in my family) as to me when you take in a dog it becomes part of the family.
I have lost count of how many people have left the island in my 8 years of residency here that just dumped thier dogs and cats on the street and left without a second thought to thier welfare, at least he left them somewhere where they may have a chance. Dont get me wrong I am not condoning his/thier actions but what he/they did i.e. leaving them at a kennels is better than just leaving them on the street. The family may have tried to rehome them before they left, Did they? Didnt They? who are you or I to judge without knowing the facts?

TheSaints wrote:Tin hat on waiting for the flak but I have broad shoulders and can take it, ok this person or persons had to make a decision due to work curcumstances and leave the island in a short period of time to take up a position of work in another country and could not take the dogs with him/them. At least he/they put them in Kennels and paid (I assume) for thier keep for a certain period.
I am a contractor and do have to leave the island sometimes to go to work which is why I can not commit to owning or fostering a pet and this is the longest period I have ever had without having dogs in my family and I do miss the company and friendship that only a loyal canine can give and I stated (in my family) as to me when you take in a dog it becomes part of the family.
I have lost count of how many people have left the island in my 8 years of residency here that just dumped thier dogs and cats on the street and left without a second thought to thier welfare, at least he left them somewhere where they may have a chance. Dont get me wrong I am not condoning his/thier actions but what he/they did i.e. leaving them at a kennels is better than just leaving them on the street. The family may have tried to rehome them before they left, Did they? Didnt They? who are you or I to judge without knowing the facts?

So if they had put their children or elderly dependant relatives in a hotel and paid for three days at that hotel and then moved abroad, would this be mitigated by them 'having to make a decision due to work circumstances' ? If these dogs were 'part of the family' then this is the equivalent of what seems to have been done here and for me 'having to make a decision due to work circumstances' would not mitigate or excuse such behaviour one iota.

You say 'leaving them at a kennels is better than just leaving them on the street'. This is arguably true if all you consider is the animals, but if you add in the distress and hardship such action has placed on the kennel owner in to the 'equation' is it really 'better' ? Is it just not a case of transferring 'bad result' from the animals to the kennel owner with there being no net less 'bad result' over all ? The only responsible action these people could have taken, if they really had no choice but to leave the animals behind when they left the country, was to have arranged their temporary care with someone until they could be re homed or had the animals put to sleep themselves. What they (appear to) have done is just a cowards way out in my personal opinion.

I am locking this thread as it no longer seems concerned with helping the animals, which after all should be the priority.
I have opened a new thread to try and help find new homes .