Are we going to lose BBC iPlayer?

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 6:20 am

In their financial cuts in 2016 BBC have just unannounced they are going to close the loophole of people watching iPlayer without a licence. As a lot of us in TRNC seem to watch via VPN, will it affect us do you think? I'll be distraught if I don't get my fix of HIGNFY and QI!

mrsgee · Post by **mrsgee** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 7:35 am

I remember reading about this a little while ago, I thought what they wanted to do was not take it away, but give people the opportunity to pay for it, like a licence.

Maisiemoo · Post by **Maisiemoo** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 10:27 am

Apparently the BBC are in the process of blocking access to I player via a VPN, there was an article about it in the Cyprus Mail fairly recently.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 3:11 pm

Multimax...................... sincerely hope you know of a way around the situation??

Kip · Post by **Kip** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 3:48 pm

Could you not get hold of recorded episode of QI on you tube?

Just a thought.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 4:02 pm

I hope they are not going to block RADIO - no justification for doing so as it is not subject to Licence Fee is the UK

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 8:12 pm

Kip & Sophie - there are various alternative methods of viewing programme material from sources such as the BBC 'after transmission' rather than 'Live' including, but not exclusive to, YouTube...

RR - I don't know their plans for Radio, but 'my understanding is' (cop out ) that the justification / rationale which drives the 'Regional Limitation' of distribution is not limited to licence fees, but has a lot to do with the fact that the BBC do not actually own the copyright of some of the material that they transmit, and only pay for the right to distribute / transmit such material within clearly defined 'Target Territories' e.g. UK.

If the BBC knowingly allow audiences outside of those defined areas to view the material, (by NOT using their very best efforts to prevent it) then they are depriving the owner of the material of income - or to put it crudely, you and I are actually stealing it and the BBC are potentially in breach of contract with the programme makers / owners.

Also, regarding the material for which they do own the full distribution rights, they would hope to be able to charge areas outside of the UK for permission to transmit / view that material - this is, potentially, an enormous 'earner' for the BBC.

However, as there is a TV licence for my UK address, I can reconcile myself to this, just as I manage to cope with living here

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Mon 07 Dec 2015 9:26 pm

Many years ago when the BBC had its own forum there were endless discussions about overseas access to TV, and the fact that UK Licence Payers were subsidising it was always the reason for denying it overseas. But of course copyright is another factor - there are some programmes that they apparently cant even put on their own "Listen Again" service.

Actually I prefer the older programmes you can get on U tube to much of the rubbish BBC put on today, but the quality of the recording is often poor,

I , and many others, lived here for years with no access to UK TV and very little to radio and survived. However I am not sure how I would manage without my regular dose of "The Archers" --- err, umm, is that another "tin hat" comment

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 7:13 am

Ragged Robin wrote:...However I am not sure how I would manage without my regular dose of "The Archers...

Here you go, for those that missed it the first time around...

(music: Dum de dum de dum de dum...)

"Morning Jethro"
"Morning Mr Archer"

(Sound off: approaching footsteps)

"Oh, here comes Walter Gabriel"
"Hello Walter"
"Hello Walter"
"Hello Mr Archer, Hello Jethro"

(Sound off: Birdsong)

"I say Mr Archer, have you heard about that new subsidy for Winter Wheat?"

(Sound off: Cow farts, explosively)

.

.

mrsgee · Post by **mrsgee** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 7:58 am

I really do hope that they do not take the I player down. For people like me, deaf, the iplayer is the only way I can watch tv programmes as it provides subtitles. Can't listen to the radio. If they take it away, then I will have to resort to DVD's, with subtitles of course.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 7:59 am

Keithcaley wrote:
Ragged Robin wrote:...However I am not sure how I would manage without my regular dose of "The Archers...
Here you go, for those that missed it the first time around...

music: Dum de dum de dum de dum...)

"Morning Jethro"
"Morning Mr Archer"

(Sound off: approaching footsteps)

"Oh, here comes Walter Gabriel"
"Hello Walter"
"Hello Walter"
"Hello Mr Archer, Hello Jethro"

(Sound off: Birdsong)

"I say Mr Archer, have you heard about that new subsidy for Winter Wheat?"

(Sound off: Cow farts, explosively)

.

.

Filth!

All that sheep sh*gging....

Oh and you missed - Shula Hebden Lloyd - dirty cow...

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 9:55 am

I'm so old I remember Grace Fairbrother and the fire

But who can remember which program The Archers replaced?

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 10:46 am

kaiserphil wrote:I'm so old I remember Grace Fairbrother and the fire

But who can remember which program The Archers replaced?

The Archers looked o'er the Dales?

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 12:25 pm

I think it was "Dick Barton, Special Agent", but I may be wrong.

I take it Groucho you are thinking of "Mrs Dale's Diary". "I've been rather worried about Jim"

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 12:46 pm

Kaiser, whatever you do, don't forget Captain the cat, plus Grandmother-in-Law. I won't try and outdo Keith with the music for Dick Barton, I think it was called something like The Devil Rides Out. I'm sure someone will cheat and Google it!!

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 1:40 pm

Sophie, do you remember "PC 49"? If I remember correctly the constable's name was Archibald Berkeley Willoughby!

And not forgetting "Journey into Space".

Oh, oh nostalgia ain't wot it useterbe.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 1:45 pm

Sophie I did remember before I looked for a link - honest!

So here, just for you, is "The Devil's Gallop"

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 2:42 pm

Thanks Keith. I remembered the tune, but had no idea what it is called.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 3:03 pm

kaiserphil wrote:Thanks Keith. I remembered the tune, but had no idea what it is called.

...Well, Sophie got it so very nearly right that it just triggered my memory.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 3:24 pm

Oh how the memories flood back. DB with Jock and Snowy. I think it was on a Sunday or maybe Saturday night and when I got to the 3rd Year we were allowed to sit on the floor of our Dorm Mistresses room in our dressing gowns, dinking revolting cocoa before lights out.

For those of you who haven't a clue what we are rabbiting on about, you'll have to put up with us for a while. An innocent time of my life that's for sure.

Kaiserphil, I most certainly do remember PC 49 and can go even further back because my Mother insisted on taking me to Leeds City Varieties when I was just 4 and I was introduced to some of the greatest names of the Musical Hall (at least those who were still living. When you looked up close under the makeup of the day, it made you wonder)

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 3:33 pm

"Evening all"

Goodness, seem to have triggered another bout of nostalgia. We should start a club "Senior Kibcomers" or something.

Yes I think the Archers followed Dick Barton, and before "Journey into Space" there was "Riders of the Range" by the same author/editor Charles Chilton.

And what about "Listen with Mother" and all those uncles and aunties?

btw Radio 4X used to repeat J I S and Dixon , but they havent done it recently so dont know if they have changed policy. Also The Navy Lark.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 3:33 pm

Oh dear, where is Erol when he is needed, normally he is here to advice us all on his pearls of wisdom, when asked for an opinion he is nowhere to be found

erol · Post by **erol** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 3:57 pm

jacob wrote:Oh dear, where is Erol when he is needed, normally he is here to advice us all on his pearls of wisdom, when asked for an opinion he is nowhere to be found

Not so long ago you asked how to block posts from a specific user - saying you found my post tedious, which I graciously told you how to do. Now here you are asking why I have not posted in a thread. I wish you would make up your mind.

In any case the concern that the BBC may block access to iPlayer to those outside the UK who use VPN services is not new. This has been around for a while. See here for example

http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... =8&t=27531

As things stand right now access to BBC iPlayer using the free Multimax VPN works. I can not say if this will always be the case as I can not see the future. If and when the BBC does start to try and block such access Multimax will do what it can to work round such blocks if it is possible to do so. There is not much else I can say on the subject.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 4:32 pm

Erol, having read and listened to discussions on "savings" which are going to have to come into force next year by the BBC, I would say its an absolute certainty. One of the things the BBC have said is to stay in place is free licences for the over 75, this costs something in the region of 54Million per year and as a result, somethings have to go, iPlayer probably being one of them.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 4:53 pm

Paul Temple....

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 4:59 pm

erol wrote:
jacob wrote:Oh dear, where is Erol when he is needed, normally he is here to advice us all on his pearls of wisdom, when asked for an opinion he is nowhere to be found
Not so long ago you asked how to block posts from a specific user - saying you found my post tedious, which I graciously told you how to do. Now here you are asking why I have not posted in a thread. I wish you would make up your mind.

In any case the concern that the BBC may block access to iPlayer to those outside the UK who use VPN services is not new. This has been around for a while. See here for example

http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... =8&t=27531

As things stand right now access to BBC iPlayer using the free Multimax VPN works. I can not say if this will always be the case as I can not see the future. If and when the BBC does start to try and block such access Multimax will do what it can to work round such blocks if it is possible to do so. There is not much else I can say on the subject.

Erol, my dear man, I can only read your posts if I click on the link provided, so I am always aware when you have posted, most of the time I ignore you

erol · Post by **erol** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 5:22 pm

sophie wrote:Erol, having read and listened to discussions on "savings" which are going to have to come into force next year by the BBC, I would say its an absolute certainty. One of the things the BBC have said is to stay in place is free licences for the over 75, this costs something in the region of 54Million per year and as a result, somethings have to go, iPlayer probably being one of them.

I doubt the BBC will stop iPlayer all together. The problem they have in stopping access to it from outside the UK on the basis of 'cost saving' is that it is actually more complicated and therefore costly to block access from outside the UK for those using VPNs than to not do so. Nor is it a simple thing to do. If it were then it would have been that way from day one. Even if iPlayer were to be shut down tomorrow overnight you still have services like filmon and others that rebroadcast BBC content over the internet.

erol · Post by **erol** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 5:26 pm

jacob wrote: Erol, my dear man, I can only read your posts if I click on the link provided, so I am always aware when you have posted, most of the time I ignore you

As most of the time I do my best to ignore you, as for me you are currently the single the most obvious 'sock puppet' account on this forum and I personally despise such.

Sukicat · Post by **Sukicat** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 7:10 pm

Hey Erol,
sticks and stones etc!
Please keep on giving the great advice that you do to us oldie technophobes!!
You are certainly valued by many of us on this forum.
xx Sukicat

rocking · Post by **rocking** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 8:41 pm

I'm 100 per cent with Sukicat, Erol was so helpful to me a few weeks ago, changing stuff on iPhone etc. He spent ages and ages going through what I should do. I have not forgotten chocolate Erol, you were a lifesaver. He is so knowledgable and I think he is great.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 8:46 pm

Jacob: I think however you get TV you have been watching the wrong programmes. Victor Meldrew and Alf Garnet are not really the best guides to How to Make Friends and Influence People

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Tue 08 Dec 2015 9:47 pm

Fortunate that Esau isn't on here.....

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Wed 09 Dec 2015 7:53 am

'Sock Puppet' I wonder who you think I am!

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Wed 09 Dec 2015 10:43 am

Ragged Robin wrote:Jacob: I think however you get TV you have been watching the wrong programmes. Victor Meldrew and Alf Garnet are not really the best guides to How to Make Friends and Influence People

RR who are they

erol · Post by **erol** » Thu 10 Dec 2015 8:51 am

Whilst the BBC is reportedly looking at ways to block access to iPlayer from users outside the UK more effectively , the EU is pushing ahead with legislation that would require such services to be available across the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35051054

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 10 Dec 2015 3:31 pm

It seems that the ability to purchase access to the BBC would be temporary for the benefit of "holiday makers" only. As with so many things it seems the UK have abandoned the interests of its long term full time expatriates, despite the fact that they continue to contribute to the UK economy by taxation etc. Someone mentioned above that TV Licences are free to those over 80 years of age - I wonder if this consideration for the older pension will be extended to those purchasing overseas BBC television.

Some years ago I saw a proprosal put forward by the BBC for overseas "sale" of its programmes. The programmes available were only the most popular - mainly the ones I would not watch even if you paid me to. I bet the new scheme will be similar : the choice of programmes will be made on the basis of how marketable the programmes are and cater to the lowest common demonaitor of taste.

The Beeb is a public service broadcaster subject to a Charter and a Trust which requires it to provide the British public(which surely should include British Citizens and Taxpayers) with programmes that "educate, inform and entertain". It appears to have forgotten the first two and have a strange idea of thelast. Also the Beeb is supposed to publicise the "best of British" worldwide. Programmes such as the Golden, Jubilee, the Festival of Remembrance, the Promenade Concerts and the Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols, the Chelsea Flower Show and some of the documentaries which the BBC actually do best, should be transferred to World Service and made globally available.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Thu 10 Dec 2015 4:16 pm

RR - free to those over 75yrs.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Thu 10 Dec 2015 8:53 pm

OK Sophie - I didnt check back posts, just remembered that I did not qualify yet - this just brings it a bit closer! Academic anyway - my comment about the Beeb extending the "concession" to expatriates was meant sardonically as I reckon the chances of that happening were carried away by the couple of pigs that just flew past my window!

aussiejock · Post by **aussiejock** » Wed 13 Jan 2016 8:54 am

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Robert

kerry 6138 · Post by **kerry 6138** » Wed 13 Jan 2016 9:36 am

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