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Do not frequent bars that often but was surprised to enter a bar in Alsancak with the "boss" smoking behind the bar and many other customers smoking .
Have the rules changed or are ,as so often here, not enforced.
Await the smokers reaction but please guys your actions do have an effect on other people that you are not aware of. My Sinusitis, the lingering smell on my clothes etc.

I dont frequent bars because I do not drink alcohol , but I have no objection to others doing so when I do go to a bar to meet friends or waiting for a meal, and I just wish I was allowed to smoke but all the bars I have been in recently forbid it.

I think there are a lot more non smoking bars than those that allow it: I suggest cambridge you just avoid this particular one and let others enjoy their own bad habits, and find one that does not allow it!

PS I would welcome suggestions for bars which provide a selection of teas and coffees and particularly fresh fruit juices in summer in the Ozankoy area.

Don't have a problem with a designated area in a bar for smoking but I refuse to eat in restaurants with ashtrays on the tables.
The "non" smoking restaurants seem to be in the minority and thats a possible reason they close so often as people will not sit in a cloud of smoke trying to enjoy some food.

No smoking in Tervetuloa,you have to go outside nor Veni Vici,Silver Rocks,Jashans or Cousins.Cannot see any of those closing in the near future'

As far as I know it is still against the law to smoke inside.

Its the old argument for smokers. We are infringing on their rights but the thing is smoking especially , passive smoking KILLS.

THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN.

I had to laugh when a smoker friend who had given up said he could taste his food and smell flowers etc

cambridge wrote:Do not frequent bars that often but was surprised to enter a bar in Alsancak with the "boss" smoking behind the bar and many other customers smoking .
Have the rules changed or are ,as so often here, not enforced.
Await the smokers reaction but please guys your actions do have an effect on other people that you are not aware of. My Sinusitis, the lingering smell on my clothes etc.

Isn't it nice cambridge to come into a bar and it smell like a bar instead of an ashtray

Why don't you name the bar,you've come this far,after all you're within your rights to name the bar flouting the laws !

Otherwise it seems pointless posting it here .

Difficult one this. Erm with all the info on smoking it really does amaze me that smokers have the balls to spark up in an enclosed area, and then try to defend their actions or say the bar would shut without me etc etc unreal! I could go on!

Muad_dib wrote:No smoking in Tervetuloa,you have to go outside nor Veni Vici,Silver Rocks,Jashans or Cousins.Cannot see any of those closing in the near future'

Sorry my post read a little wrong.... What I meant to say was the ones that allowed smoking were the ones closing as non smokers don't visit them anymore ?

Post deleted. One more posting of such an insulting,uninformed,uneducated attitude will result in a permanent ban. (See keith below to read what had been deleted)

jacob wrote:Why don't all you non smokers just put up or shut up, sick of your bleedin whinging.

Go on!

Don't hold back!

Say what you think!

...Stopping you would be the trick

Keith you are the only person who COULD shut me up

I think they should have a designated area where smoking should be allowed, but away from the restaurant, and outside where you can sit and have a coffee or snack, I have been a smoker for 57 years and just took it as my god given right to smoke anywhere, ( but not now ) I now realize that passive smoking is harmful well that's what we are told, so I try to keep my smoking away from anyone that is a none smoker,
I do miss the days where I could smoke anywhere Pub, Football, Cinema, on the bus upstairs where you couldn't even see in front of you, but it's a changed world and we have to adapt to change.

Again we see smokers telling the non smokers to shut up, why the heck should they, it's their health that matters, not you smelly selfish smokers...
Smokers have a smell that is always with them, we non smokers put up with that, in fact most are not rude to say 'you stink', ! Maybe they should start telling them!!! ...

They already know they smell but will not admit it, a friend of mine didn't realise her wardrobe contents smelled of smoke till she gave up smoking and had to wash everything in there.

jacob wrote:One more posting of such an insulting,uninformed,uneducated attitude will result in a permanent ban. (See keith below to read what had been deleted)

Whoever you are, why don't you threaten Geroff with the same ban, or isn't it insulting to call someone smelly!!! Ban me if you want

How can it be insulting by tell someone the truth ?.

People blowing smoke in your direction when you are eating is bad manners and unhygienic and can i add unhealthy !.

The ban on smoking both here and in UK and throughout europe, in my humble opinion is the best thing that ever could have happened. Being a severe asthmatic I cannot be anywhere enclosed where smoking goes on so I am now happy that when I go for a meal, a drink, socialising, I am not the one who has to be excluded. Health always comes first. I admire the smokers who stick to the rules. Also, have to say, years ago living in UK I was fed up of having to stick all my clothes in the washing basket after a night at the pub with mates. Why do smokers think it is ok to smell like an ashtray......but, at the end of the day there will always be the argument about who is right and who is wrong. If there were segregated bars/restaurants then we would all be happy ,maybe. What I don't agree with is the places that break the rules simply to please the folk who want to smoke, they deserve to be fined.

mrsgee smokers will always find a way to puff on their dummies and god help you if you dont like it. a friend of mine tried to invent dogshit sticks which could be lit in bars restaurants etc to make the smokers smell better ha ha.

Consider the following:

I took an overseas visitor to my "local" for an early lunch. We parked in the shady carpark a few yards walk ,not far even for me with walking problems, and sat outside to enjoy the Spring sun, the view and the birdsong. Halfway through a large 4 x 4 drove up, and the equally oversized driver leaving his vehicle directly in front of us went into the pub . Followed by another of the same who abandoned his vehicle in front of the door. Followed by another, and another all to anxious for their favourite tipple to think about parking ...........until by the time we had finished we felt like something from a Western film where all the wagons gather round in a circle. The view was blocked, the quiet filled with raucous British voices. Abandoning the idea of coffee I squeezed my way past the vehicles. to the door and through the two deep crowd yelling for refills round the bar to pay the bill. Despite my (according to the above damaged) sense of smell and open doors and windows the stink of beer and spirits was overwhelming. My attempts to get attention were thwarted by the large men on each side who towered a foot over me (and twice as wide) one of whom persisted in waving a glass of whisky in front of my nose while his mate seemed to be trying to give me a beer shampoo from his brimming glass.

Even though I did not particularly want one, I was tempted to light a cigarette and wave it a them in self defense and protest , but was afraid a naked fllame in that atmosphere might be dangerous!

Bill paid at last, we drove away quickly before the liquid lunchers staggered out of the bar and into their offensive weapons and hit the road.

It is all a matter of common sense tolerance and consideration for others.

My friend, a moderate drinker and occasional smoker, was impressed by Cyprus and the Cypriots but not by the British Community.

Surely that should be a small part of the British community.
Not all of us spend our lives smoking and drinking in bars and I, for one, object to being lumped into your generalisation.

Sorry of course it does not apply to some of the Brit population. But it is a pity that there are enough of them that one cant rely oon enjoying a quiet meal in peace , and , like the rubbish and the strays they tend to be obvious particularly to visitors.

But then again I rather object to the lumped with smokers who dont obey the rules, and are delibertely inconsiderate - especially when inconsiderate or even damaging behaviour in other directions is condoned or overloooked.

As a non-smoker.....
the smell of stale tobacco smoke vs the smell of stale alcohol/urine/vomit....
the residue (dimps, ash, smell) vs urine/vomit/bottles/cans on clothes/furniture/environment...
the harm to health from second-hand smoke vs the harm to health from drunken violence and assaults....
the ?? from smoking vs the damage to family and other relationships....
the ?? from smoking vs the injuries and deaths caused by drunken drivers.....
the ?? from smoking vs the trepidation of being near to over-imbibers......
While I do NOT know who are or are not ex-smokers, I have noted over many years that ex-smokers (like my brother!) tend to be much more vociferous and virulent in their condemnations and accusations against smokers...
...it seems rather like religion; recent converts appear to be the most fanatical.....
(and yes, I do have a drink now and again... I've even brewed my own in the past!)

As an ex smoker I do have sympathy for smokers
However I never smoked in restaurants when people were eating, I went outside
It is still the law that you can't smoke in restaurants but most of the owners smoke and their attitude is it's my restaurant so I will do as I like, so the other smokers see him smoking and think ok I can smoke in here

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Smokers : Please if / when caught smoking take the fine with a smile and hopefully if the management does not smoke pay theirs as well. It really bugs me when people revert to moaning when they have broken the law and get caught and being ignorant of the law is no excuse

Non Smokers : Yes the smell of stale smoke is unpleasant but so is a lot of things especially odours expelled from a human body

I personally if I found smoking in a bar offensive I would vote with my feet as one thing this island has is lots of similar places but I also feel the owner should have a choice too, maybe able to get a licence to allow smoking in bars then we really would know which places are more popular.

Playing devil's advocate - since I am a smoker - I think the point about non smoking in public places was for the benefit of the staff who may not have a choice , not customers who do, and while the proprietor might smoke himself maybe some of his staff may have religious objections but desperately need the work - Oh but then that would apply to alcohol too .

Just be glad we have a diversity of venues , food and alcohol and most of the year it is nicer to sit outside anyway. What annoys me if people who chose a table outside next to one where people are already smoking, and then complain. It also does help to refrain from smoking in bars and restaurants if they serve "nibbles" to keep customers occupied if they are waiting for food.

Pork scratchings anyone?

If the proprietor lights up whilst you are eating perhaps it would be a good idea to explain that you don't want smoking and if he/she doesn't put it out you will leave and not pay for the meal as you do not like contaminated air! ... just a thought ... as it is illegal to smoke in premises in NC ...

If smoke smells as bad as people here say and you are that sensitive to it , then you should realise on entering the place that someone is smoking regularly and leave then, explaining w hy. To leave it until you are in the middle of a meal suggests you are looking for an excuse to avoid paying. Why not ask (particularly if you have a genuine medical problem) when booking a meal if they enforce the no smoking law - then you would have a right to complain if you must. There are so many places that do not allow smoking, why go looking for problems. It is unlikely anyway that a proprietor (or manager et c.) who is not a heavy smoker should suddently have the urge to light u in the middle of a guest's meal unless the guests had annoyed him in some way! I dont actually know any bars, cafes or resteraunts that do allow smoking Is at an area thing or are there vigilantes out there going looking for them.

Well for me its not about the smell its about breathing it in when Mr couldn't give a toss sparks up on the next table.
Its horrible very unpleasent and as i have already said a health hazzard

...As long as no-one drinks alcohol at the next table to me, that's OK.....

But jof.....that alcohol is not going to damage your health ..is it ?

...message 22.....

cambridge wrote:Do not frequent bars that often but was surprised to enter a bar in Alsancak with the "boss" smoking behind the bar and many other customers smoking .
Have the rules changed or are ,as so often here, not enforced.
Await the smokers reaction but please guys your actions do have an effect on other people that you are not aware of. My Sinusitis, the lingering smell on my clothes etc.

So Cambridge wrote this post and you have sat back and watched it unfold !

Why yet, have you not named the bar,it did not take you long to tell everyone that the red lion was not open on friday for your little drinkie poos with your friends !

Strange one that isn't it ?

was it a cypriot owned bar ?

How do you differentiate between naming a bar that was closed on your drinking day and not illegal to be closed and not naming a bar that was engaging in illegal acts, very strange to say the least !!

David,
How to upset a customer, both in the bar and at your wine outlet, in one easy lesson.

Cambridge with all due respect, think David is like most and wonder why you did not name the premises, most people would apprietiate the naming, you don't need to condem, but it would help others to be aware then people can make up their minds ... Smokers or non smokers

Ragged Robin wrote:Consider the following:

I took an overseas visitor to my "local" for an early lunch. We parked in the shady carpark a few yards walk ,not far even for me with walking problems, and sat outside to enjoy the Spring sun, the view and the birdsong. Halfway through a large 4 x 4 drove up, and the equally oversized driver leaving his vehicle directly in front of us went into the pub . Followed by another of the same who abandoned his vehicle in front of the door. Followed by another, and another all to anxious for their favourite tipple to think about parking ...........until by the time we had finished we felt like something from a Western film where all the wagons gather round in a circle. The view was blocked, the quiet filled with raucous British voices. Abandoning the idea of coffee I squeezed my way past the vehicles. to the door and through the two deep crowd yelling for refills round the bar to pay the bill. Despite my (according to the above damaged) sense of smell and open doors and windows the stink of beer and spirits was overwhelming. My attempts to get attention were thwarted by the large men on each side who towered a foot over me (and twice as wide) one of whom persisted in waving a glass of whisky in front of my nose while his mate seemed to be trying to give me a beer shampoo from his brimming glass.

Even though I did not particularly want one, I was tempted to light a cigarette and wave it a them in self defense and protest , but was afraid a naked fllame in that atmosphere might be dangerous!

Bill paid at last, we drove away quickly before the liquid lunchers staggered out of the bar and into their offensive weapons and hit the road.

It is all a matter of common sense tolerance and consideration for others.

My friend, a moderate drinker and occasional smoker, was impressed by Cyprus and the Cypriots but not by the British Community.

I've considered it.

You parked in a car park and a few cars came along and parked in the car park. They then went into the carpark's bar and had some drinks - made it a bit busy so you had to wait a bit to pay - what am I missing?

As for smoking inside - in Vegas you can stand next to a smoker and not realise he is smoking. They invest in excellent aircon. In the next state, California, if you light up anywhere, inside or out, a lynch mob chase you.

It does seem a bit alien these days to see people smoking in a bar but it doesn't bother me.

RR - yes, I get your points - perhaps you were too subtle (location, location, location)......

Joffra,
Attempted to reply so apologies if this pops up twice. The original post asked the question and used an illustration to make a point. At no time had I the desire or inclination to engage in a witch hunt against a particular bar. It is a shame that there are now two bars that,for different reasons , I can no longer frequent.

Entente Cordiale
I'm a non smoker but in the true spirit (pun intended) I have a proposal. In the bar the smoker can smoke and I can drink. Provided you realise that the bi product from your cigarette ie the smoke will land on my cloths and hair. I will quite happily tolerate this provided you acknowledge that the bi product from my ale is urine. Seems only fair, what do you think? Hope you don't think I'm taking the Pi55 .

Thank you Jofra, yes I was probably too subtle for some! My point is that lots of people not just SOME smokers are inconsiderate of others - putting one's car directly directly in front of someone who is eating outside and enjoying the fresh air when there are plenty of other spaces is selfish - and what about the emissions from the car? Crowding smaller older people out of a bar because you are so anxious for you next drink iis - I will be subtle again - not nice.,nor is waving your drink in someone's face. But my main point is that most of those people were driving large powerful vehicles capable of doing more damage than the average, would be well over the limit of drink driving, Their justification may that the limit here is very low and they are still safe to drive( but I doubt it) but they are still breaking the law every bit as much as those who smoke inbars, and no one expects the owners/managers to police them .

I did not name the bar (although some might guess) because in many ways it is excellent if you avoid the lunch time drinkers rush - and they dont deserve a witch hunt against them. They have to make a living and provide what the best paying customers want -which might also be said of those who allow smoking.

I actually wonder why these people come to Cyprus: spending a couple of sunny hours on a lovely Spring day packed like sardines in a bar drinking and shouting over others is not my idea of a fun thing!

cambridge wrote:David,
How to upset a customer, both in the bar and at your wine outlet, in one easy lesson.

Cambridge

Your choice on both accounts to be upset

This is a forum and if you write something either expect to be questioned or challenged,its normal

cambridge wrote:Joffra,
Attempted to reply so apologies if this pops up twice. The original post asked the question and used an illustration to make a point. At no time had I the desire or inclination to engage in a witch hunt against a particular bar. It is a shame that there are now two bars that,for different reasons , I can no longer frequent.

Cambridge

No one is asking you to be involved in a witch hunt,you complained to the forum that a bar owner was smoking behind his bar and his punters where smoking also,naming the bar is not a witch hunt,it would be a fact of yours

which would do a lot of readers a favour in the future as to weather to avoid this bar if the person does not smoke.

you say- two bars that,for different reasons , I can no longer frequent.[/quote] your choice matey im sure it shall not break the bank !!

There are many establishments which break the law on this. Naming them could mean a very long list.
Recently I went to a restaurant which was using an outdoor area, which had a roof and sides (albeit plastic)making it an enclosed space, and lo and behold most of the customers were smoking. Local people who enjoy their fags. The music was Turkish and enjoyable.
Smoke affects my husband's weak chest, so we have to decide what to do.

Options:
1. Point out to the landlord that he could be in trouble.
2. Report them to the authorities
3. Not go again.

We go for option 3. The landlord knows the law and if he chooses to flaunt it for the sake of keeping his local customers, that is up to him. Option 2 is not what we do, and in any case the amount of money we spent in these places would not keep the business going.

So in answer to the original quesiton, ye,s it is against the law, and what you therefore choose to do is up to you.

I still think our choice is the easiest - find somewhere we can have a meal in comfortable surroundings at good prices, with or without friends with us. Of cours,e I prefer to go where i can tak emy dog outside) and it is interesting that the enclosed areas which allow smoking do not allow dogs! Hmmmmm

I detest it and will not go in a bar such as Dostlar or Shboom that allows it however they manage to wiggle around the law. Should be banned everywhere but the tobacco companies have the politicians in their pocket.

oohhh.. don't know what happened to my original post, but here goes....
I don't use the above bars, I am, I think a considerate smoker, two bars are mentioned, ... you non smokers have numerous bars you can have your drinks, give the ''smokers'' a break, they have two bars that they can socialize in, how many bars are non smoking??... go there and enjoy your evening.. leave them alone to enjoy their vice for goodness sake.

Jonnie wrote:I detest it and will not go in a bar such as Dostlar or Shboom that allows it however they manage to wiggle around the law. Should be banned everywhere but the tobacco companies have the politicians in their pocket.

I used to be a smoker,1 month ago and i of all people respect the laws of the land.

Only 2 weeks ago a customer asked me if i had an ashtray,it was around 9.20pm and only me and him where in the bar,i said it's a no smoking inside bar and you'll have to go outside

it was windy and may of been raining,the person chose to sit at the bar and finish their drink and then leave.

I'd not seen this customer before nor have i seen them again !

It happens all to often on these forums that people complain about different things without being precise and when challenged on the subject spit out there dummy,i'm sure that some forget it's a forum .

For me the best part of this thread is (It is a shame that there are now two bars that,for different reasons , I can no longer frequent.)

And this (David,
How to upset a customer, both in the bar and at your wine outlet, in one easy lesson.)

Hey listen,if you get upset this easy then self exile is the best and safest place for you and good luck, and if you of all people thinking me having a wine shop or bar makes me exempt from having an opinion

then you need to think again,and join the real world

ps. i don't know if the 2 bars above allow smoking !

bargainboozeandwines wrote:

cambridge wrote:Joffra,
Attempted to reply so apologies if this pops up twice. The original post asked the question and used an illustration to make a point. At no time had I the desire or inclination to engage in a witch hunt against a particular bar. It is a shame that there are now two bars that,for different reasons , I can no longer frequent.

Cambridge

No one is asking you to be involved in a witch hunt,you complained to the forum that a bar owner was smoking behind his bar and his punters where smoking also,naming the bar is not a witch hunt,it would be a fact of yours

which would do a lot of readers a favour in the future as to weather to avoid this bar if the person does not smoke.

you say- two bars that,for different reasons , I can no longer frequent. your choice matey im sure it shall not break the bank !!

(From me - Jofra) Incidentally, I'm not quite sure why message 38 invoked me - I've not commented about "witch-hunts"; I don't know any of the bars, saloons, shebeens and assorted drinking establishments on the island - on the rare occasions that I do imbibe, I buy at the shop and take it home (I'm one of those antisocial solitary drinkers...)