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Good news for Schengen countries

http://aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-lifts ... als/565719

You still need your visa at the moment - we can help if you need it.

I have edited this post - as I thought it was going to apply to UK citizens too, but it doesn't.

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As the UK is not in the Schengen zone I wonder if the visa free travel to Turkey will include UK citizens as Turks will still have to get a visa for the UK.

hmm Good point - will try and find out..

Laura B wrote:As the UK is not in the Schengen zone I wonder if the visa free travel to Turkey will include UK citizens as Turks will still have to get a visa for the UK.

Ditto for Ireland

Bit more info......http://www.yellali.com/news/article/269 ... ree-travel

In the meantime, whilst discussions take place, this is the Turkish Government dealing with the home issues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX1ldPN ... ture=share

So that will mean that the south can not deny Turkish mainlanders entry,should be fun at the border as I can remember all the fuss when they voted to join the EU and had to let any EU passport owner into the south regardless of where the entered Cyprus.

Cyprus is also not in the Schengen zone, together with the U.K. and Ireland.

And if they enter via Ercan it could be considered illegal entry

turkish citizens can entry the south, but they can not get a visa at a border, they have to apply in athens.
so just from that requirement, access through eg, metehan, is not possible.

Hurriyet news paper has breaking news.

The E.U. has recommended Turkish Citizens to be given Visa Free travel within the Schengen areas from July 2016.

Not set in stone yet, but almost there............

http://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affairs/20 ... h-citizens

Just to be clear and as I understand it.

The 'deal' if it goes through is that Turkish Nationals will be able to travel to Schengen Area Countries for 'short stays' of up to 3 months for tourism and business trips (not to reside or work) without needing a visa. Turkish Nationals will still need visa for such visits to those EU members that are not part of Schengen (UK, Cyprus and Ireland). However part of Turkey's side of the deal, which it has now passed into law, is to allow visa free (short stay) travel to Turkey to ALL EU member state nationals, including UK, Cyprus and Ireland nationals. So if the deal does go through it will mean UK or Irish or Cypriot nationals, who currently require a VISA to travel to Turkey for 'short stay' visits will no longer need such a visa, even though Turkish nationals travelling to those countries will still need one.

erol wrote:Just to be clear and as I understand it.

The 'deal' if it goes through is that Turkish Nationals will be able to travel to Schengen Area Countries for 'short stays' of up to 3 months for tourism and business trips (not to reside or work) without needing a visa. Turkish Nationals will still need visa for such visits to those EU members that are not part of Schengen (UK, Cyprus and Ireland). However part of Turkey's side of the deal, which it has now passed into law, is to allow visa free (short stay) travel to Turkey to ALL EU member state nationals, including UK, Cyprus and Ireland nationals. So if the deal does go through it will mean UK or Irish or Cypriot nationals, who currently require a VISA to travel to Turkey for 'short stay' visits will no longer need such a visa, even though Turkish nationals travelling to those countries will still need one.

Yes I agree, but the deal is about refugees and migrants that this has been allowed, this is not for Turkey to join the EU as I understand it, that could take some time.

Dalartokat wrote: Yes I agree, but the deal is about refugees and migrants that this has been allowed, this is not for Turkey to join the EU as I understand it, that could take some time.

Yes the wider deal is all about refugees and migrants and as part of that deal the EU agreed to 'accelerate' the pre existing plans to move towards visa free short stay travel of Turkish Nationals in the Schengen area and of EU nationals generically to Turkey.

It has been suggested here that these changes (re visa requirements between EU and Turkey and Turkey and Schengen) would not affect UK Citizens travelling to Turkey, as the UK is not part of Schengen. My understanding is that this suggestion is not actually correct. My understanding is that Turkey, as part of the visa liberalisation process has now passed legislation such that UK Citizens will no longer require a visa when visiting Turkey for 'short stay' visits, even though Turkish nationals visiting the UK will still require a visa. That was the point I was trying to make.

Considering that every holidaymaker had to pay for their visa, they are giving up a hell of a lot of income. That may be offset by more people being willing to go there as a result.

The article at the top specificly mentions the shengen area which the UK is not part of there was no mention of the common travel area, most visa agreements are reciprocal.

kerry 6138 wrote:The article at the top specificly mentions the shengen area which the UK is not part of there was no mention of the common travel area, most visa agreements are reciprocal.

Yes most visa agreements are reciprocal but this one is not a 'normal' (bi lateral deal between two states). Turkey has removed visa requirements restrictions on ALL EU nationals, this includes UK, Ireland and Cypriot Nationals.

http://mfa.gov.ct.tr/turkey-removed-vis ... countries/

in 'return' Turkish Nationals will get (if the deal goes ahead) visa free access to Schengen area countries.

UK gov websites makes no mention of any changes and provides links to Turkish visa site,
I'd be surprised if Turkey allowed a second country national visa free access without a reciprocal agreement for its own nationals.

kerry 6138 wrote:UK gov websites makes no mention of any changes and provides links to Turkish visa site,
I'd be surprised if Turkey allowed a second country national visa free access without a reciprocal agreement for its own nationals.

The (Turkish national) law granting visa free travel to all EU citizens to Turkey has been passed and published in the 'official gazzett' but will only come into force once the EU lifts the Schegen visa requirement for Turkish nationals. The requirement to allow visa free travel of all EU nationals, in return for visa free access to the Schengen area for Turkish nationals is nothing new. It was always part of the 72 requirements hammered out way back in 2014 between the EU and Turkey. The deal on migrants only accelerated the process, it did not change it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-turkey ... eal-2016-5 (my emphasis)

Late on Monday the Turkish cabinet approved waiving visas for visitors from all 28 EU member states, once Europe relaxes its own visa requirements for Turks, another of the 72 criteria for the deal.

Looks like the (visa) deal may not go ahead

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36229468

Turkey's president has told the EU it will not change its anti-terror laws in return for visa-free travel, saying: "We'll go our way, you go yours".
Recep Tayyip Erdogan was speaking a day after PM Ahmet Davutoglu, who had largely negotiated the EU deal, said he was stepping down.