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Given the BREXIT.
The EU will be under pressure. The Euro and EU markets have also been hit after BREXIT. UK sterling and Markets have indeed taken the predicted fall. The EU has taken less but clearly investors have identified potential risk rather than opportunity.

The race will be which economy EU or UK is most likely to recover or indeed fall into recession. If the EU was to disband, though I doubt it any time very soon, then the UK will certainly be in a prime position to prosper as the current single free market will be open to all and with individual countries as before the EU
If the EU economy recovers in next few weeks then indeed it will be rather more competitive in winning investment based on its access to the complete EU market place.

There is a fine and delicate economic map unfolding in the next few weeks. The EU want a quick exit for the UK. They are unlikely to look favorably upon any requests from our negotiators. At best the Uk can make a good clean exit with some trade deals and possibly maintaining a discreet level of European influence. At worst the EU will make it tough and tedious, maintaining uncertainty and risk for the UK. Then the likelihood of a deep recession will become clearer.
I do think the UK will suffer for some time with price hikes on fuel and commodities. The retail markets are already suffering as no body is keen to go shopping for serious goods such as cars or houses whilst the pound is suffering the current losses.

The path out of the EU is certainly a bumpy one and both parties will vie against each other to gain advantage and to minimise the damage which is currently being endured.

Clear and NEW leadership within the UK government will certainly assist. I think October is too far away. We need to take action now and get done because recession risk is clear and evident. If sterling and market depression continues for any sort of prolonged period then consumer confidence will evaporate and the spiral of recession, like 2008 will prevail.

I think we need to get on with it with haste to minimise the developing cloud of recession.

For Christ sake Waz get your head from up your a**e...

The ftse fell a bit then recovered and the PM ran away so what......you are guessing again what might happen please post some facts or stop with the doom and gloom.

Turtle
I fear your own interpretation is doom and gloom. These are my views and yours too are welcomed.
I suggest you follow the markets for the next months to give you a clearer picture .
I could give you my analysis but I think you will classify same as scaremongering.

So do you think the EU will disband?

Waz
Bureaucracy has been delivered a fatal blow yesterday and the EU establishment and you i might add have still not got the message will people like you never learn ?

The pen is mightier than the sword and if you live by the pound then i am afraid people like you will fail by the pound.
No the EU will not disband as too much has been invested in it but what is certain is some people/countries will lose a lot of dosh and credibility betting on this entity that was always going to run out of steam.
Take a look at the last 3 countries that joined the EU and look at the next 3 that will join and tel me honestly is this the future ?

turtle wrote:Waz
Bureaucracy has been delivered a fatal blow yesterday and the EU establishment and you i might add have still not got the message will people like you never learn ?

The pen is mightier than the sword and if you live by the pound then i am afraid people like you will fail by the pound.
No the EU will not disband as too much has been invested in it but what is certain is some people/countries will lose a lot of dosh and credibility betting on this entity that was always going to run out of steam.
Take a look at the last 3 countries that joined the EU and look at the next 3 that will join and tel me honestly is this the future ?

Turtle,
Ok The EU will not disband. I Think you are right and this will effect out own prosperity. The EU economy is now in competition directly with our own. This makes the playing field of competition rather more difficult for the UK as we are now unable to be involved in EU instigated trade legislation, incentives and grants. Time will soon tell if myself and the many expert commentators are proven correct upon the UK economy. I hope we are all wrong but given the accuracy of my very first historical comments , I think not.

2 trillion US dollars was wiped of markets alone yesterday this is the winning tune of Mr Farage's independence day!! It will be the reported growth figures over coming months that will determine recession OR depression in the UK. To see such a decline in a single day historically spells recession for the weakest economies. Sure fire thing. The UK economy has taken an unprecedented hit and weakness and risk are clear. The EU will suffer also and some of the cynics on this forum will take pleasure from that but the same people will also reap the pain. Pain of negative growth. Pain of recession, Pain of loss and decline.
I am very sure that you will continue to quote scaremongering upon my comment. However, At some point soon the truth will pan out. Were the experts right or the BREXIT supporters? I fear for the outcome. Not sir to prove you wrong but because of the damage and decline that the UK , myself, my family and indeed yourself and those close to you are destined for.

Never in my working life have I experience a level of self inflicted harm to ones prosperity as I have experienced on the 23rd June 2016.

As I have said it is not my nature to roll over and give in. My task and strategy is clear. I suspect many BREXIT voters remain in hope that the UK government, will guide them through the pain and ensuing self inflicted harm.

Doom and Gloom. Sorry but yes indeed.

the last three countries are: in 2007 bulgaria and romania, croatia in 2013.

next countries can be: montenegro, albania, mazedonia and serbia, maybe soon.
potentially bosnia and kosovo.
that would be the intregration of all balcan countries and of all war parties from the 1990ties wars, which still have big difficulties.

YES, this is the future. please.

turtle wrote:Waz
Bureaucracy has been delivered a fatal blow yesterday and the EU establishment and you i might add have still not got the message will people like you never learn ?

The pen is mightier than the sword and if you live by the pound then i am afraid people like you will fail by the pound.
No the EU will not disband as too much has been invested in it but what is certain is some people/countries will lose a lot of dosh and credibility betting on this entity that was always going to run out of steam.
Take a look at the last 3 countries that joined the EU and look at the next 3 that will join and tel me honestly is this the future ?

Turtle,
No point in looking back now. We are where we are. We are all burdened ( my opinion)with the outcome. The next several years will be like no others post 1945. You are very familiar with what the experts have commented as well as myself. It is the BREXIT camp of politicians that must step up and implement their strategy to prove us all wrong and lead the Uk to prosperity and success.
Certainly I will always work tirelessly to promote out great country. I fear that many BREXIT voters will now sit back and do nothing having inflicted us all with the aftermath. Accountability was an argument for leaving the EU. Now it is time for the BREXIT camp to account and deliver.

I fear, and I have said this some weeks ago, the political barrel is rather empty of skill, experience and knowledge. I anxiously await to see who will be in the cabinet and who will lead the UK through what I describe as troubled waters . Troubled under the threat of recession and troubled under the threat of the very break up of the United Kingdom.

kibsolar1999 wrote:the last three countries are: in 2007 bulgaria and romania, croatia in 2013.

next countries can be: montenegro, albania, mazedonia and serbia, maybe soon.
potentially bosnia and kosovo.
that would be the intregration of all balcan countries and of all war parties from the 1990ties wars, which still have big difficulties.

YES, this is the future. please.

Certainly it will be interesting to see how the EU evolves. The UK should hope now that the EU disbands. This will offer us more opportunity and ability to compete with Individual countries of Europe.
However, I think this unlikely and the Uk must therefore endeavour to keep as inserted in the EU markets as is possible.

waz,
The UK should hope now that the EU disbands. This will offer us more opportunity and ability to compete with Individual countries of Europe.

thats absolutely dreadful.. wish others a bad future, that you can earn more.

you are so terrible profit orientated that it really hurts and these "british views of a (common) market, this mislead view of the european idea" will may make it that at the negotian table the UK will find very cold blooded european technocrats which will have no doubt to send the UK, or what is left of it, to hell.
in means in and out means out.
and do not believe that the americans or chinese will help you.

kibsolar1999 wrote:...you are so terrible profit orientated that it really hurts...

I'm not taking sides in this debate, 'cos I still don't know who's right!

But..... it is profits that pay wages and keep businesses going - yes?

No profit, no wages, no business, workers on the dole...

Keith
Yes you are spot on.

Kibsolar
It is now the UK outside of Europe. Expect no favours from the competition. If you are not now willing to compete for prosperity of our country then move aside. I think Europe already takes the view "go to hell".
Sorry but life can be brutal and the UK has taken a brutal step in BREXIT

kibsolar1999 wrote:the last three countries are: in 2007 bulgaria and romania, croatia in 2013.

next countries can be: montenegro, albania, mazedonia and serbia, maybe soon.
potentially bosnia and kosovo.
that would be the intregration of all balcan countries and of all war parties from the 1990ties wars, which still have big difficulties.

YES, this is the future. please.

Bulgaria
Romania
Croatia
Montenegro
Albania
Masedonia
Serbia
Boznia
Kosovo

And that is a prosperous EU to look forward to ?
All I see here is bailout...bailout....bailout...thank god we did bailout.

Turtle
Are we not going over old ground . The UK is to leave the EU. The EU is now a direct competitor and its members or projected members is of little interest apart from the point at which the Union is able to win from the UK, investment, trade and prosperity.
I think the focus now is how to deal with the aftermath which by all intents is following the path that was predicted by experts and indeed myself.

I look forward to hearing the economic strategy that was so absent with the BREXIT campaign. Mr Farage and Mr Johnson have not to worry right now because they only need sit back and leave it to our elected government to sort out. It is not clear when the exit will commence.
October is too late as uncertainty now prevails and the markets and currency supports that.

There is a way of blocking postings from people anyone know how ?? Waz's maybe help please ???????

terry2366 wrote:There is a way of blocking postings from people anyone know how ?? Waz's maybe help please ???????

Terry are you fearful of debate?
You are not forced to you know.

I believe the site is moderated so those taking a rude and slanderous path will and should be removed.
I like to think that I am not in that group.

I do hope you are not also.

terry2366 wrote:There is a way of blocking postings from people anyone know how ?? Waz's maybe help please ???????

Click on 'User Control Panel' > 'Friends & Foes' > 'Manage Foes' > and click in the text box next to where it says "Add new Foes'

Type in the EXACT username, and click 'submit', when asked if you 'really want to do it' click 'yes'

You will no longer see posts by the member - although you may still see quoted posts by them in other's posts of course.

Enjoy!

Clearly some shy away from debate and are fearful of fact.

It is far more simple to just not enter the debate and avoid posting.

Terry. Sorry, I am unable to assist apart from the above advice.

The debate will continue as long as members continue to post (within the rules of course).

Some people like to post to get a reaction and this will attract a response, this is known as internet trolling.

However across the kibkom forum there are lots of topics about the referendum, EU, Brexit etc and a lot of good debate happening, which is positive. Eventually tho the postings will reduce and the topic will fade away. Some may say thank goodness for that!

One thing for sure is that after all the happenings over the last 3 days, for me politics has suddenly become more interesting

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle
Are we not going over old ground . The UK is to leave the EU. The EU is now a direct competitor and its members or projected members is of little interest apart from the point at which the Union is able to win from the UK, investment, trade and prosperity.
I think the focus now is how to deal with the aftermath which by all intents is following the path that was predicted by experts and indeed myself.

I look forward to hearing the economic strategy that was so absent with the BREXIT campaign. Mr Farage and Mr Johnson have not to worry right now because they only need sit back and leave it to our elected government to sort out. It is not clear when the exit will commence.
October is too late as uncertainty now prevails and the markets and currency supports that.

There you are Waz,.. we can't do a damn thing at the moment can we... Cameron has picked up his ball and gone missing and has refused to activate the exit clause so we have to wait til a new PM is in place.....now that for me is an act of sabotage by Cameron.....horrible silly man.

turtle wrote:

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle
Are we not going over old ground . The UK is to leave the EU. The EU is now a direct competitor and its members or projected members is of little interest apart from the point at which the Union is able to win from the UK, investment, trade and prosperity.
I think the focus now is how to deal with the aftermath which by all intents is following the path that was predicted by experts and indeed myself.

I look forward to hearing the economic strategy that was so absent with the BREXIT campaign. Mr Farage and Mr Johnson have not to worry right now because they only need sit back and leave it to our elected government to sort out. It is not clear when the exit will commence.
October is too late as uncertainty now prevails and the markets and currency supports that.

There you are Waz,.. we can't do a damn thing at the moment can we... Cameron has picked up his ball and gone missing and has refused to activate the exit clause so we have to wait til a new PM is in place.....now that for me is an act of sabotage by Cameron.....horrible silly man.

Turtle,
You cannot blame Mr Cameron for resigning. He lost the BREXIT vote and his decision is certainly respected by me. Concerning the exit using article 50. The application has not been made yet
Yes there well could be a hidden strategy. The EU wants a quick exit. The UK seems less keen with commentators quoting 2020. That length of time would be a disaster for confidence and investment in the UK economy.
There may be some behind closed doors negotiation . Common market status? Out but not quite how you see it? Remember the government did not want BREXIT and politicians have an uncanny way of making us think that we have somethin when in fact we don't.

Waz
Where do you get your information......behave yourself man stating daft scenario's that as you well know will not happen, even your mate Mark Carney says we are well placed and all wedged up to weather the storm.

turtle wrote:Waz
Where do you get your information......behave yourself man stating daft scenario's that as you well know will not happen, even your mate Mark Carney says we are well placed and all wedged up to weather the storm.

Turtle
Would you like to calm down. Your posts on another topic are rather childish and I shall not respond to such irresponsible banter.
Please do however remain in the debate and be sensible.

Onto the matter in debate:
I have posted a view which is my opinion.
You can certainly comment and add also if you wish.
To be clear. Mr Carney is not my mate. He is Governor of Bank of England and has pledged I believe 250 £billion to support the possible but probable exodus of investment from UK banks. That was predicted and we will soon see if it turns to fact. I hope not.

Glad to hear that you acknowledge the storm that last week was scaremongering.

Waz
I and I think many others are getting a bit fed up with your condescending attitude.
If I wish to stay in the debate I will and I don't need your approval or permission to do so.
And just to make things crystal clear I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY STORM.

turtle wrote:Waz
I and I think many others are getting a bit fed up with your condescending attitude.
If I wish to stay in the debate I will and I don't need your approval or permission to do so.
And just to make things crystal clear I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY STORM.

Turtle
No issues at all with that.
No storm? Would you like to read the news about the UKs political melt down.
Would you like to view the Markets and currencies over past few days and indeed at 9.30 in the morning, Plain sailing. I think not.

Being frank or even blunt
You clearly supported BREXIT. You completely ignored advice. The storm has hit as the forecast predicted. You will not accept that as fact. You failed to acknowledge the now clear impact upon the younger generation. You refuse to accept their view. You have ignored the demise of the UK political landscape tho it was predicted after BREXIT.
You sir have, in part, inflicted irreparable damage upon my country. You have, in my view acted irresponsibly. And now, because the facts have proven you wrong, you are at a loss to provide any legitimate reasoning or support for your arguments.
Your rudeness personal attacks on myself on other posts are a feeble attempt to discredit . Shame on you sir.

OK Waz... Its time to call it a day.

You are a poor loser that is obvious but to say I have inflicted damage on our country is rather silly, I voted in a democratic election and chose one of the 2 options, if you are saying that the option of "out" should not have been there or even the vote should not have taken place in the first place then that is something you need to deal with...you have obvious issues that need to be addressed.
I have the utmost respect for younger people I have 2 sons myself and fully respect them both however there is a fine line when Children become adults and act as such at 16 these young immature minds (my opinion) are not nearly developed enough to make reasoned decisions on issues such as this in fact 17m+ adults got it wrong according to you what chance have 16 year olds got ?

Anyway it's pointless continuing this debate with you as you are clearly finding it very hard to admit defeat with any decorum at all.

In answer to the question in the title of the thread, Oh I do hope so , if it means I don't have to read anymore crap from waz.

Turtle,
Have you not registered.
The UK is leaving the EU. I have said that this is accepted. I cannot be more clear.
We have moved onto other debates.
This particular one is
WILL THE EU DISBAND?
You are getting yourself bogged down in confusion.
However;
If your sons are working OR in college. Do they not have a right to vote upon their future OR does their father take the commanding vote for the family? What indeed are their views? My own two daughters have expressed dismay at the result.
My 17 yr old , in college, and off to Italy to study in October is worried about our decision to leave. My elder of 20 is also IN and voted accordingly

When I was a young apprentice my boss gave me some great advice. He told me ' you cant argue with an idiot ' that advice has never been so apt as it is right now.

Geoff1131 wrote:In answer to the question in the title of the thread, Oh I do hope so , if it means I don't have to read anymore crap from waz.

Geoff
Thank you for your clear response.
But somewhat empty of reasoning. Why do you have that hope please.
I invite your reasons.
You are not at all forced to read my posts so don't put yourself out please.

I am posting as a Kibkom member, not a moderator.

My thoughts are...do not feed the trolls.

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle,
Have you not registered.
The UK is leaving the EU. I have said that this is accepted. I cannot be more clear.
We have moved onto other debates.
This particular one is
WILL THE EU DISBAND?
You are getting yourself bogged down in confusion.
However;
If your sons are working OR in college. Do they not have a right to vote upon their future OR does their father take the commanding vote for the family? What indeed are their views? My own two daughters have expressed dismay at the result.
My 17 yr old , in college, and off to Italy to study in October is worried about our decision to leave. My elder of 20 is also IN and voted accordingly

Your question as to how Turtles son's vote is arrogant and insulting in the extreme, disgusting attitude.

elizabeth wrote:

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle,
Have you not registered.
The UK is leaving the EU. I have said that this is accepted. I cannot be more clear.
We have moved onto other debates.
This particular one is
WILL THE EU DISBAND?
You are getting yourself bogged down in confusion.
However;
If your sons are working OR in college. Do they not have a right to vote upon their future OR does their father take the commanding vote for the family? What indeed are their views? My own two daughters have expressed dismay at the result.
My 17 yr old , in college, and off to Italy to study in October is worried about our decision to leave. My elder of 20 is also IN and voted accordingly

Your question as to how Turtles son's vote is arrogant and insulting in the extreme, disgusting attitude.

Elizabeth
Your comments are noted thank you.
Perhaps the poster in person would like to respond to these questions which are hardly as you describe.
Regardless no offence is intended or implied.

Your own input to the debate amounts to nothing. Please would you debate sensibly or stop posting.

Please ensure forum rules are followed.

It has been a good debate so far but attacks on members are not allowed.

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle,
Have you not registered.
The UK is leaving the EU. I have said that this is accepted. I cannot be more clear.
We have moved onto other debates.
This particular one is
WILL THE EU DISBAND?
You are getting yourself bogged down in confusion.
However;
If your sons are working OR in college. Do they not have a right to vote upon their future OR does their father take the commanding vote for the family? What indeed are their views? My own two daughters have expressed dismay at the result.
My 17 yr old , in college, and off to Italy to study in October is worried about our decision to leave. My elder of 20 is also IN and voted accordingly

waz - sorry your daughters feel let down by the referendum result, perhaps they should listen to your wise words

waz-24-7 wrote:Kerry
Agreed,
Yes the UK is far from perfect and there will always be issues and people that either fail or are failed. This is life, Life is often very unfair.

kerry 6138 wrote:

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle,
Have you not registered.
The UK is leaving the EU. I have said that this is accepted. I cannot be more clear.
We have moved onto other debates.
This particular one is
WILL THE EU DISBAND?
You are getting yourself bogged down in confusion.
However;
If your sons are working OR in college. Do they not have a right to vote upon their future OR does their father take the commanding vote for the family? What indeed are their views? My own two daughters have expressed dismay at the result.
My 17 yr old , in college, and off to Italy to study in October is worried about our decision to leave. My elder of 20 is also IN and voted accordingly

waz - sorry your daughters feel let down by the referendum result, perhaps they should listen to your wise words


Yes Kerry thank you.
Last week I was working in the 5th strongest economy in the World with a strong currency, positive economic growth and a country destined for more prosperity.
Today , through no fault of mine or my family I am lumbered with a collapsed currency. Almost certain recession. A country on the verge of break up. A country without leadership or indeed any political stability.

I am cross because people failed to listen to experts. Were cajoled into false sense of independence for the good of our children, they generally thought they were doing the right thing.
How wrong could you and others be?
I am afraid that you have voted us all into a certain recession and associated hardship and strife. Youngsters feel let down and politicians are unable to deal with it.
Should I thank you for this?
I think it time you eat humble pie and stepped up to the table of regret.
I am happy to debate with you Kerry because your posts have some substance but please don't tell me your were right and I was wrong.

waz-24-7 wrote:

kerry 6138 wrote:

waz-24-7 wrote:Turtle,
Have you not registered.
The UK is leaving the EU. I have said that this is accepted. I cannot be more clear.
We have moved onto other debates.
This particular one is
WILL THE EU DISBAND?
You are getting yourself bogged down in confusion.
However;
If your sons are working OR in college. Do they not have a right to vote upon their future OR does their father take the commanding vote for the family? What indeed are their views? My own two daughters have expressed dismay at the result.
My 17 yr old , in college, and off to Italy to study in October is worried about our decision to leave. My elder of 20 is also IN and voted accordingly

waz - sorry your daughters feel let down by the referendum result, perhaps they should listen to your wise words


Yes Kerry thank you.
Last week I was working in the 5th strongest economy in the World with a strong currency, positive economic growth and a country destined for more prosperity.
Today , through no fault of mine or my family I am lumbered with a collapsed currency. Almost certain recession. A country on the verge of break up. A country without leadership or indeed any political stability.

I am cross because people failed to listen to experts. Were cajoled into false sense of independence for the good of our children, they generally thought they were doing the right thing.
How wrong could you and others be?
I am afraid that you have voted us all into a certain recession and associated hardship and strife. Youngsters feel let down and politicians are unable to deal with it.
Should I thank you for this?
I think it time you eat humble pie and stepped up to the table of regret.
I am happy to debate with you Kerry because your posts have some substance but please don't tell me your were right and I was wrong.

I think you should take a deep breath and take a leaf out of Book of Mormon:

I got a feeling
That you could be feeling
A whole lot better then you feel today
You say you got a problem
Well that's no problem
Its super easy not to feel that way!

When you start to get confused because of thoughts in your head
Don't feel those feelings!
Hold them in instead

Turn it off, like a light switch
Just go click!
Its a cool little Mormon trick!
We do it all the time
When your feeling certain feels that just dont feel right
Treat those pesky feelings like a reading light
And turn em off
Like a light switch just go bap!
Really whats so hard about that?
Turn it off!

Dalartokat wrote: I think you should take a deep breath and take a leaf out of Book of Mormon:

I got a feeling
That you could be feeling
A whole lot better then you feel today
You say you got a problem
Well that's no problem
Its super easy not to feel that way!

When you start to get confused because of thoughts in your head
Don't feel those feelings!
Hold them in instead

Turn it off, like a light switch
Just go click!
Its a cool little Mormon trick!
We do it all the time
When your feeling certain feels that just dont feel right
Treat those pesky feelings like a reading light
And turn em off
Like a light switch just go bap!
Really whats so hard about that?
Turn it off!

Somehow I don't think this will have the same resonance in the English (is it English ) language in 400 years time as the KJV has

Sorry, Dalartokat, feeling mischievous tonight

Mowgli597 wrote:

Dalartokat wrote: I think you should take a deep breath and take a leaf out of Book of Mormon:

I got a feeling
That you could be feeling
A whole lot better then you feel today
You say you got a problem
Well that's no problem
Its super easy not to feel that way!

When you start to get confused because of thoughts in your head
Don't feel those feelings!
Hold them in instead

Turn it off, like a light switch
Just go click!
Its a cool little Mormon trick!
We do it all the time
When your feeling certain feels that just dont feel right
Treat those pesky feelings like a reading light
And turn em off
Like a light switch just go bap!
Really whats so hard about that?
Turn it off!

Somehow I don't think this will have the same resonance in the English (is it English ) language in 400 years time as the KJV has

Sorry, Dalartokat, feeling mischievous tonight

It's been adapted

Mowgli597 wrote:

Dalartokat wrote: I think you should take a deep breath and take a leaf out of Book of Mormon:

I got a feeling
That you could be feeling
A whole lot better then you feel today
You say you got a problem
Well that's no problem
Its super easy not to feel that way!

When you start to get confused because of thoughts in your head
Don't feel those feelings!
Hold them in instead

Turn it off, like a light switch
Just go click!
Its a cool little Mormon trick!
We do it all the time
When your feeling certain feels that just dont feel right
Treat those pesky feelings like a reading light
And turn em off
Like a light switch just go bap!
Really whats so hard about that?
Turn it off!

Somehow I don't think this will have the same resonance in the English (is it English ) language in 400 years time as the KJV has

Sorry, Dalartokat, feeling mischievous tonight

Could we please turn it off and go back to last Wednesday Please.
It was so much better last week in more ways than one.

The UK was about £20 billion better off for one!!

The E.U. / Brussels enforces the abolition of individual nation states against the will of the people this is a very dangerous thing. I for one will be very pleased when the Brussels club is dead and gone.

Can you imagine Turkey surrendering all it's powers to Brussels and having it's nation state abolished ? I don't think so.

WotNoDeeds wrote:The E.U. / Brussels enforces the abolition of individual nation states against the will of the people this is a very dangerous thing. I for one will be very pleased when the Brussels club is dead and gone.

Can you imagine Turkey surrendering all it's powers to Brussels and having it's nation state abolished ? I don't think so.

Whilst it would be in the UK interest economically ONLY that the EU disbands. I think it unlikely. The Union is clearly shaken and I envisage some significant changes and reform soon to revitalise its members and people. The need is very clear and the matter is life threatening.

Should the individual states disband then peace in our time would revert to the unpredictable and dangerous political map that saw two massive European/World wars within 40 years. Not good for humanity given the abundance of civilisation destroying weaponry now available.

The EU needs massive reform.

Unfortunately it will not happen.

Hopefully other EU member states will question there membership and follow the lead of the UK and let the people decide. That is by far the best way to send a message to the bureaucrats in Brussels.

Posh Certainly.
Given article 50 may take some time as all the UK camps seem to be saying, even Boris. Mr Farage has gone almost silently into his independence pit of shame.
I think and infact hope that some negotiation will be undertaken to remain in the single market economy. This will entail some cost as it does to Norway for example. Certainly we will need to pay into the club and there will need to be free movement of labour. The EU will have demands and the UK is somewhat on the back foot now.
The UK press is alive with what a general election at the end of the year will bring. The lib dems are promising a second referendum. The conservatives may well put some partial remain offers in their manifesto. Parliament can indeed progress the matters.
I am a little upbeat about possibilities to find a solution that meets both BREXIT and REMAIN aspirations and compromise.. Given the developing and clear truths over our economy, plus the clear backlash from BREXIT. I think many from both sides will be interested to see what transpires.

So Farage has gone quiet has he ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woaS1b_seEM