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Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 2:46 pm
by paul90
From BBC website (full article at http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887):

Could MPs block an EU exit?

Could the necessary legislation pass the Commons, given that a lot of MPs - all SNP and Lib Dems, nearly all Labour and many Conservatives - were in favour of staying?

The referendum result is not legally binding - Parliament still has to pass the laws that will get Britain out of the 28 nation bloc, starting with the repeal of the 1972 European Communities Act.

The withdrawal agreement also has to be ratified by Parliament - the House of Lords and/or the Commons could vote against ratification, according to a House of Commons library report.

In practice, Conservative MPs who voted to remain in the EU would be whipped to vote with the government. Any who defied the whip would have to face the wrath of voters at the next general election.

One scenario that could see the referendum result overturned, is if MPs forced a general election and a party campaigned on a promise to keep Britain in the EU, got elected and then claimed that the election mandate topped the referendum one.

Two-thirds of MPs would have to vote for a general election to be held before the next scheduled one in 2020.

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 3:02 pm
by waz-24-7
Very good post, Thank you Paul
Various scenarios are being put in the mix by the press and indeed political commentators.
The fact that all major parties presumably and probably still want to REMAIN. They will seek a rote to their goal by whatever means they can.
There are indeed several possible routes to explore that are legally and constitutionally acceptable.

Will doubtless be some backlash but many( I think) have smelt the coffee and will not contest their own political party in a general election.
Interesting few weeks now I think.
However, Regardless of this. The Country is in real turmoil as it haemorrhages money, confidence and security.
The cost will need to be borne in any event but with a little political manoeuvring we could come out the other side.

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 6:08 pm
by Brend
TWADDLE

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 7:59 pm
by Keithcaley
Brend wrote:TWADDLE
What is?

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 8:03 pm
by waz-24-7
NOT sure either Keith?
I would normally respond but you beat me to it and summed it up thanks

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 8:58 pm
by Brend
the idea that MPs will go against the people that voted them in and also voted to come out of the EU

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 9:29 pm
by waz-24-7
Brend wrote:the idea that MPs will go against the people that voted them in and also voted to come out of the EU


Brend
Members of Parliament form the government. The current government ran the referendum and the result is clear. If a general election is forthcoming then a NEW government will be elected upon their manifesto and promises. It is possible that a general election will happen before the end of the year and any elected government can indeed override any previous. If article 50 has not been submitted then the referendum can be void.
Also it is not unusual for 2nd referendums to be instigated by democratic consensus.
Ireland did it when the treaty of nice was rejected . Denmark did it over the Maastricht treaty

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 9:39 pm
by Brend
a lot of if's and not going to happen

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 9:43 pm
by waz-24-7
Brend wrote:a lot of if's and not going to happen
Possibly not.
Watch the next few month unfold politically the field is now wide open.
The opening post is on the money and I agree.

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 11:20 pm
by kerry 6138
The French and I think the Dutch held similar referendum on the Lisbon treaty and chose to ignore the majority so yes they can but it shows great disrespect for your electorate, and the majority of MP's in UK seem to accept the vote.

Re: Could MPs block an EU exit?

Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2016 11:40 pm
by waz-24-7
kerry 6138 wrote:The French and I think the Dutch held similar referendum on the Lisbon treaty and chose to ignore the majority so yes they can but it shows great disrespect for your electorate, and the majority of MP's in UK seem to accept the vote.
Kerry; agreed.
I think the government that is pro REMAIN will manoeuvre in the next weeks to secure REMAIN by enlarge but will sell the BREXIT as a success.
Would they get away with it. Possibly, given the demographics of voters and it was not a landslide result.
The leaders of the EU have the ace cards now and Uk is on the back foot so I expect no super deals.
The original REFORM plan which was to follow a REMAIN has been ditched and plan B is probably very much in rough presently.
Regardless the damage to our economy is clear and one must hope that in the event there is a part REMAIN the economy will have the residual strength to recover. The markets will monitor this very carefully and will reflect on what happens politically in both UK and EU.