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Have always been a supporter of bringing the younger people into the political process, lowering the voting age, yes. But after the disgraceful calls for a 2nd referendum my views are changing. These people either don't understand the principal of a democratic vote or choose to ignore it. They have been encouraged by big business the like of Branson or some politicians. This brings shame and ridicule on the u.k. And as for Scotland it's a shame they didn't leave on their independence vote. They shout for independence and want the tyranny of the E. U. I say to to our northern neighbours leave and don't come back.

Most of the angst seems to be driven by a single, misleading statistic: that is that 73% of 18-24 year olds voted to 'Remain' and have therefore been let down by their elders.

The reality is that just 36% of those in that age range actually showed up at a polling station - the lowest representation of all age groups in the referendum.

Of those 36% that actually voted, 73% voted to remain - but this is not how the 'facts' are being presented globally. However; for whatever reason this age group decided not to exercise their right to vote

We have a democracy and the the people have voted. We have to respect the decision of the majority that bothered to vote - well over 70%.

Just because an age group did not decide to vote does not mean that because they dont like the outcome they should blame those of a certain age that did vote. It is not correct to blame an older generation. The fault lies with those who say they are the future of the UK but then do not turn out to vote.

What happened to respecting the knowledge and experience of those that maybe older?

Does someone aged 35 - 80 have less of a say than someone who is 18-24 or 25-35? 

Does somebody that has worked and paid taxes for 40-50 years have less of a say than a 20 year old

Does a 20 year old have the right to deride someone who is 60-80+

Instead of blaming the more mature voter, the younger generation should be looking at themselves and asking why did I not bother. Maybe if they had the outcome would have been different.

Democracy has spoken and its time to accept the result and move on

In other news....

FTSE 100 back above what it was the day before the referendum and at the highest its been for a couple of months,
FTSE 250 almost back to where it was the day before the referendum.

Could someone please point me to some factual evidence showing that (at least) a majority of 'younger voters' are calling for a second referendum on the grounds that their elders have 'sold them short'.

I suppose that I could do a lot of Googling and research, but it seems to be common knowledge on here, so if someone would do me the courtesy... Thanks in advance!

Keith, the only thing you will find by Googling is lots of statistics, you know - lies, damn lies and statistics! You can make them say whatever you want by not making them say what you don't want. You can get people on your side with that sort of "proof" and you can lie your heart out and people will believe you because you have "Statistics" on your side and can produce all sorts of graphs and charts to prove it. Brexit is a real good example and should be used in education from now on just to show what can be done with gentle "massage" of truth.

Stats show that 80% of those aged between 65 and 76, who were eligible to vote and who did vote, voted Brexit - Statistics neatly leaves out that these statistics were taken from a sample group of 50 people in the home for the mentally insane in Scotland! See, its easy really.

PoshinDevon wrote:Most of the angst seems to be driven by a single, misleading statistic: that is that 73% of 18-24 year olds voted to 'Remain' and have therefore been let down by their elders.

The reality is that just 36% of those in that age range actually showed up at a polling station - the lowest representation of all age groups in the referendum.

Of those 36% that actually voted, 73% voted to remain - but this is not how the 'facts' are being presented globally. However; for whatever reason this age group decided not to exercise their right to vote

We have a democracy and the the people have voted. We have to respect the decision of the majority that bothered to vote - well over 70%.

Just because an age group did not decide to vote does not mean that because they dont like the outcome they should blame those of a certain age that did vote. It is not correct to blame an older generation. The fault lies with those who say they are the future of the UK but then do not turn out to vote.

What happened to respecting the knowledge and experience of those that maybe older?

Does someone aged 35 - 80 have less of a say than someone who is 18-24 or 25-35? 

Does somebody that has worked and paid taxes for 40-50 years have less of a say than a 20 year old

Does a 20 year old have the right to deride someone who is 60-80+

Instead of blaming the more mature voter, the younger generation should be looking at themselves and asking why did I not bother. Maybe if they had the outcome would have been different.

Democracy has spoken and its time to accept the result and move on

In other news....

FTSE 100 back above what it was the day before the referendum and at the highest its been for a couple of months,
FTSE 250 almost back to where it was the day before the referendum.

Posh
It is the 16-18yr olds that were denied the vote.
As an employer of 2 apprentices both 17yrs they were denied the vote, Is that right? They are active in the UK economy and ambitious to succeed.
An 80 yr old pensioner who has had experiences of Europe at war and probably views the world very differently, rightly has a vote but not to the exclusion of the young apprentice.
If 38% of 16-18 yr olds voted IN (76% of the 38%) then the result would be REMAIN.
The youngest sector has been denied their, right ( in my view) to vote on something that is instrumental in their future. Long after the elderly pensioner has departed the mortal coil.

The Markets are up today because they perceive that the UK may actually secure access to the single market. Do not count your chickens yet. The UK economy remains at serious risk of recession. It appears BREXIT camp are now very focussed on the economy, anxious to prove the experts wrong. Every point movement on markets and currency is quickly reported in a desperate hope that we are all going to be into Milk and honey territory. Immigration seems to have faded away apart from the rise in reported hate crime in the UK news.
Is this what BREXIT meant to you?
Are you shocked?
Do you really believe we are now better off?

16 - 18 year olds do not have a vote. Wether that is right or wrong is subject to debate. Maybe before the EU referendum there should have been another referendum, campaign or legislation to allow them the right to vote.

At the end of the day the age at which people can vote was in place so you cannot say if 16 - 18 year olds were allowed the vote the result would have been different. They had no vote.

The dissapointing fact is that the younger age group eligible to vote did not turn out.

PoshinDevon wrote:16 - 18 year olds do not have a vote. Wether that is right or wrong is subject to debate. Maybe before the EU referendum there should have been another referendum, campaign or legislation to allow them the right to vote.

At the end of the day the age at which people can vote was in place so you cannot say if 16 - 18 year olds were allowed the vote the result would have been different. They had no vote.

The dissapointing fact is that the younger age group eligible to vote did not turn out.

Posh,
That is my point.
Is OR was it fair to deny 16-18yr old a vote?
My view is that they should have had a vote.
Certainly the turn out in the 18-24 group was disappointing and possibly they were complacent upon he need to vote.
Who can say what the 16-18 group may have done. My guess, the vote would have been decidedly REMAIN.

waz-24-7 wrote:
Posh,
That is my point.
Is OR was it fair to deny 16-18yr old a vote?
My view is that they should have had a vote.
Certainly the turn out in the 18-24 group was disappointing and possibly they were complacent upon he need to vote.
Who can say what the 16-18 group may have done. My guess, the vote would have been decidedly REMAIN.

Would you be asking this question if the vote had gone in your favour? I think not - it's a totally hypocritical and disingenuous argument to put forward.... and only because you think it would have altered the outcome - if you thought it might have added more leave votes you wouldn't support the extension of the voting age.

If many 18 - 24 year olds didn't vote I blame the two campaigns based as they were on very little of substance particularly the remain campaign's 'project fear' style of attempting to put the willys up the voters...

The 16 - 18 year olds did not have a vote. Whatever you or I may think those are the facts.

So you cannot argue that if they had a vote the result may have been different. They had no vote.

Unfortunately the younger age group entitled to vote did not turn out which is dissapointing as they are indeed the future. They let themselves down by not voting and it is unfair to blame those older than them, who did vote, for the subsequent result.

It does make me smile as not one mention of 16-18 year olds were spoke about in the run up debates to the vote on here.
Then as if by magic they are the future of our country...wouldn't be because the vote didn't go in the "out" direction would it .

turtle wrote:It does make me smile as not one mention of 16-18 year olds were spoke about in the run up debates to the vote on here.
Then as if by magic they are the future of our country...wouldn't be because the vote didn't go in the "out" direction would it .

Makes me smile as well.

Whilst of course the 16 - 18 year olds are the future, just as a baby born today is the future. The 16-18 year olds did not have a vote; so to say that if they had voted the result would be different, is not sound reasoning in my opinion.

The facts are that those of a younger age; 18 - 30 years, did not turn out and vote, for whatever reason. If they are indeed the future and want to shape the direction of the United Kingdom they should have voted. Over 60% of them decided not to bother. To blame those that did vote for taking away their future is really not that clever.