Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 7:59 am**

Everyone knows about the problem of stray dogs here, we all have taken one in ourselves out of the goodness of our hearts. But since KARs neuter and release program was abolished the issue of stray puppies has developed and is worse than ever, just give KAR a call and they will tell you how many tens of puppies are waiting to be rehomed.

You might think that sounds positive, there's is a delay in their rehoming but they are being rehomed? Well, no, because KAR are full now at the shelter and therefore these stray puppies have to stay with the person who found them until they get rehomed. People are therefore inadvertently forced to take on new dogs that they did not expect to have to when they saved the puppy and there is no guarantee the animal would be rehomed.

The result is someone's kind decision to help a stray puppy is causing them a life-long inconvenience that they had no intention to take on but were forced to do so, lest have the blood of that animal on their own hands. This is not right or fair on these people.

The only organization that seem to care for these animals is KAR and they have done a great deal, but the way things have gone they cannot help ill stray dogs, they cannot take in dogs, they can no longer neuter and release and they can't take in puppies. These actions, that are no longer being under-taken, are the entirety of actually assisting stray animals.

Therefore the only group who wants to help are no longer actually able to do anything to help the strays here anymore, meanwhile the issue grows worse and worse.

You might not be an animal lover but please understand how heart breaking it feels to see a defenseless baby dog that you can see with your own eyes is aware of their situation, is looking to you for help, that you know will suffer a slow painful death without your assistance. You have to take that death on your own hands if you do not help.

I really think the KibKom community should try to pull together to come up with some solutions that will allow KAR to be able to once again help the desperate situations for these stray animals.

I have a couple of simple ideas myself that seem to be able to resolve this problem quite easily though, so I hope they are considered:-

1.) If space and funds are an issue, could you not arrange for the caged animals at the shelter to be transferred to one of the government pounds? This frees up resources, space, money, workers and would allow you to be able to help again with these freed resources. The shelter is no different to one of the pounds so their current treatment would remain the same.

2.) If you cannot get that kind of transfer what about an open plan enclosure at the shelter with simple fences, all the socialized dogs can intermingle in that area and the cost to do this would be very, very little and it would be very easy to physically do. Once again it would free up space in the cages so you could help stray puppies that need to be rescued.

3.) A new campaign that details the problems aforementioned and a fund raiser event specifically to do one of the above or another preferred option. People will know what they are giving the money for and how it will help and will be very willing to assist/donate.

If anyone has any ideas please share them.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 8:20 am**

I am going to get crucified over this, but everybody is entitled to an opinion, I am an animal lover, three dogs at home. My solution is an island wide cull and neutering program . the original post does nothing for the dogs if they are put in a shelter, just condemning to a life of misery.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 8:32 am**

All very well suggesting solutions for KAR but where is the money coming from to look after even more dogs? Additionally they really struggle to recruit staff and volunteers to look after the animals they have in their care now.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 8:43 am**

As said so many times, neutering and education of the locals about neutering - this is the only kind solution but there is such resistance to this - is it a macho thing???

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 9:33 am**

sammydavis wrote:As said so many times, neutering and education of the locals about neutering - this is the only kind solution but there is such resistance to this - is it a macho thing???

Agreed, but the local population have no problem about dumping a litter of puppies.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 9:45 am**

Extract from KAR's AGM:

We were reminded that over the past five years as part of our Neuter and Return Programme we had neutered over 630 dogs. In 2015 we neutered 247 dogs which sadly was a drop in numbers of 180 dogs than in 2014. This is the first year we have seen a drop in the figures, this would be due to the ending of the N & R programme along with the increase given by the Veterinary Association as from 1st October of 100% increase for the costs of neutering a female dog and a staggering 140% for a female cat. I think it was fair to say that we floundered for a while whilst listening to reports of plans of the local Belediyre’s to set up their own shelters. Members of our group attended a public planning meeting held by Girne Belediyre and we sent a letter to the planning committee and the media giving our views on their proposals as well as offering our help and assistance.

As you can see they are restricted by resources and the ever increasing vets fees. Issues beyond their control. I believe the issue could be dealt with as an International problem and they should look at registering as a NGO ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-gover ... ganization ) in the UK and seeking International funding. There again saying that, as TRNC is not recognised as a country this would be a problem. Catch 22!

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 10:46 am**

One way of educating dog owners and maybe deterring them from wanting a dog, or at least make them look after and clean up after them, would be if vets handed out leaflets warning of the dangers of dog faeces. It may be enough to make them think twice of wanting a dog, especially if they have a family.

Something along the lines of:

"Toxocariasis causes serious illness and even blindness. It is caused by a parasite known as Toxocara Canis (also known as Roundworm). These parasites live in dogs' digestive systems. Eggs are released in the faeces of infected animals and contaminated soil where Toxocara eggs can remain infectious for years, as they are very resistant to the effects of chemicals, as well as changes in temperature".

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 11:00 am**

In the mean time if your anywhere near Ozankoy pop into Corner House check out the ball gowns,party dresses blouses shoes etc. on sale in aid of Kar .
BBQ, Fashion show Sunday 4 pm proceeds going to Kar ,help pay for the tankers of water they pay for has they dont have a well at the centre in Arapkoy.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 11:04 am**

MikeK wrote:One way of educating dog owners and maybe deterring them from wanting a dog, or at least make them look after and clean up after them, would be if vets handed out leaflets warning of the dangers of dog faeces. It may be enough to make them think twice of wanting a dog, especially if they have a family.

Something along the lines of:

"Toxocariasis causes serious illness and even blindness. It is caused by a parasite known as Toxocara Canis (also known as Roundworm). These parasites live in dogs' digestive systems. Eggs are released in the faeces of infected animals and contaminated soil where Toxocara eggs can remain infectious for years, as they are very resistant to the effects of chemicals, as well as changes in temperature".

Not sure its dog owners or anyone thinking about taking a dog thats the problem, its the unwanted dogs that are the problem.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 3:16 pm**

It's about time the government of the TRNC became involved in solving the problem of stray dogs and cats.
They have sat back for years and left it to KAR who have done a good job in difficult circumstances. KAR's shelter at Arapkoy has always been bursting at the seams . Now that strays have become the responsibility of the Municipalities, all they seem to want to do is take them off the streets and dump them miles from anywhere without adequate care and supervision. Out of sight, out of mind. Sadly, unwanted cats are also becoming more of a problem. Two tiny kitten dumped near here four months ago have already had kittens and unless neutered can multiply at an alarming rate. The government should give generous financial incentives to people to have their animals neutered and have publicity campaigns advising them to do so.

Posted: **Sat 09 Jul 2016 9:05 pm**

ardstrawray wrote:I am going to get crucified over this, but everybody is entitled to an opinion, I am an animal lover, three dogs at home. My solution is an island wide cull and neutering program . the original post does nothing for the dogs if they are put in a shelter, just condemning to a life of misery.

It is easy to see your logic in holding this view, but it really is a black and white easy way out kind of solution. If we were to take such uncompassionate lines of thought for other issues as you have done here we would certainly resolve many world issues very quickly, (an analogy) "Palestinians want land and Israel doesn't want to give it, it is very complicated, how do we resolve it? Kill all Palestinians, because they are suffering anyway." It removes the issue but it is not a compassionate resolution.

Maisiemoo wrote:All very well suggesting solutions for KAR but where is the money coming from to look after even more dogs? Additionally they really struggle to recruit staff and volunteers to look after the animals they have in their care now.

The idea behind the solutions were that it wouldn't cost a lot more money, building an open plan enclosure costs only the amount to buy 2m high mesh fencing at 120tl/2.5m and wooden posts to hammer into the ground. For a few hundred pounds you would have a huge amount more space.

In terms of funding for that as I mentioned a fund raiser specifically to make such adjustments, you could even take volunteers to help erect the enclosure and bring a community together to collectively help resolve the issue.

I'm sure Soner would help advertise such a fund raiser here without cost because it is such a good an honest cause, it isn't for the profit of anyone, only for the benefit of those who have no voice for themselves.

It would take a lot of organization granted, but I imagine there would be some singers or entertainers around that care about animals that would also be happy to provide entertainment at such a venue. That would make it very easy for people just wanting to have a day out to go along, then they become aware of the real point behind the event.

I'm just brainstorming for a short-term resolution, I think we could easily resolve the issue for us by killing them all, but we can easily find a better solution that is more kind.

I think the neuter and release program was really the ideal long term solution and very well thought out, is KAR kindly able to explain how it came about that this was determined not to be acceptable to be continued? Is there anyway we can try to get this overturned?

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 12:16 am**

But the costs would be ongoing, the vets fees, the feeding costs and who is going to look after even more dogs? It's hard enough to attract volunteers now, repeated requests have been made in the past with little help coming forward.

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 7:05 am**

Message 11, I am not trying to solve the world population problem, just putting forward a cost effective solution to the Cyprus dog/cat problem , and it is a major problem.

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 9:47 am**

Not a solution I know. However, feral animals is not just a TRNC problem, it is endemic involving most of the continents. If only there was a 'one size fits all' solution, but there is not. Culls work short-term and are highly emotive, not just to animal loving expats either. Sterilisation does not have to involve expensive surgery and lots of vets' time with risk of complications, as there are pharmaceutical alternatives. The TRNC Government Veterinary Department should lead on the issue here and direct what is to be done - has it, will it???

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 10:05 am**

Gozoa, I have been holding off replying, I am in UK but support where I can financially anyone needing help with dogs/cats.

I would just like to touch on a suggestion of yours:-

1.) If space and funds are an issue, could you not arrange for the caged animals at the shelter to be transferred to one of the government pounds? This frees up resources, space, money, workers and would allow you to be able to help again with these freed resources. The shelter is no different to one of the pounds so their current treatment would remain the same.

When I was over in September I visited the "pound" at Famagusta (FARC) this was being run by a lady called Sarah with a couple of helpers. A purpose built (EU regulation) compound was nearing completion. Meanwhile the dogs 200+ were in 3 areas, dogs & bitches obviously separated, but difficult to keep small dogs in another area. Through the summer they tried to buy through donations pools for the dogs because of the heat fights broke out & on more than one occasion dogs were killed. In theory these dogs are well looked after compared to other "pounds".
When I was over in May the areas for dogs outside has increased to 6 (I think) all with concrete bases (easier for cleaning) as opposed to the original dirt areas. The inside areas for the sick & puppies is full, they then had 400 + dogs, doubled in 8 months, whilst I was there a crate with 4 puppies arrived.
This "pound" is supposedly financially run by the Belediye, I am not saying they don't but if it weren't for donations the dogs would lead a very sorry life. With 400 + dogs supplying food is a challenge but then to supply flea & tick treatments, just basic requirements doesn't always happen.

What KAR offer cannot be compared to a Belediye "pound, I have seen pictures of the one at Tatlisu where, when it was discovered a dead, half eaten dog was in there, how long it had been there, who knows, the water, & I use the term loosely was disgusting. Kyrenia has a "pound" in the mountains virtually inaccessible & even with all the complaints from local concerned people & offers of advice from KAR the dogs are leading a miserable life, they are left with no food or water. Complaints to the Belediye fall on deaf ears, there is a new "pound" being built & the dogs will fare no better.

If you really think that by handing over the dogs to a local Belediye in a pound will be a possible solution I'm afraid in my opinion you are committing them to a slow painful death because they will not be looked after.

I don't know what the solution is but more education is essential, Sarah at Famagusta goes into schools & invites school children to the pound as do KAR. The government has to address neutering on a massive scale, but who is there to get this done. There have been protests/demonstrations but the government is a law unto itself. I know people who are trying to get Worldwide organisations (PETA) involved. The people on the frontline so to speak are only human & it is heart breaking to see on a daily basis abandoned puppies/kittens a poor cat the other day run over & left to crawl away & in this heat would not of lasted long, luckily for her somebody who cares took her to the vet where she had her leg removed & is now recovering.

I really don't know how to finish this, I really did not want to respond but felt I had to add my views.........

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 12:39 pm**

Cally you and I know too well that there are a few animal lovers here,who would move heaven and earth to help the dogs and cats. However the Government don't give a damn.There is always an excuse,no funds,no staff. They lie through their teeth,promise hell and all and do sod all!!

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 1:30 pm**

Owl Lady, all true. But, how does this move the issue on?

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 2:35 pm**

MikeK wrote:One way of educating dog owners and maybe deterring them from wanting a dog, or at least make them look after and clean up after them, would be if vets handed out leaflets warning of the dangers of dog faeces. It may be enough to make them think twice of wanting a dog, especially if they have a family.

Something along the lines of:

"Toxocariasis causes serious illness and even blindness. It is caused by a parasite known as Toxocara Canis (also known as Roundworm). These parasites live in dogs' digestive systems. Eggs are released in the faeces of infected animals and contaminated soil where Toxocara eggs can remain infectious for years, as they are very resistant to the effects of chemicals, as well as changes in temperature".

A large part of the problems is that Turkish and Cypriot dog owners are only two well aware o fthe problems of disease spread by dogs: this is why they are horrified by Brits who keep dogs indoors, and lock their dogs in cages and keep them on chains outside. Rather than making dog ownership more difficult it should be make easier. They need to be educated but above all dogs ownership needs to be made easier and cheaper : currently the cost of vets fees , micropchipping, neutering, registering etc. are way beyond the average Cypriot and many Brits living on a pension. And I cannot be the only one who acquired dogs when I was younger and healthier and costs were a lot less and hasnt been able to have a holiday for ten years because of the cost of kennels. The only people who would feed my dogs when I went into hospital were Cypriots.

Dogs want owners not to be stuck in kennels and we need to help those who have dogs more. IN particularly the elderly who benefit most from a dogs companionship and protection, and can give the dog company in return, may need help with exercise etc.. Why cannot those who work full time or are swallows and cant have a pet of their own adopt one as an aunty or uncle and help with costs, grooming and exercise? Perhaps even look after the animal for a few days so the usual carers can have a much needed break.

Instead of encouraging them in expensive, impractical schemes KAR should put pressure on the Govt. and Municipalities to make things easier and cheaper for dog owners, with discounts for adopting and neutering strays and adoption of two or more strays. They should also allow the Vets to give discounts to those with more than one dog

KAR eduate children, but someone needs to give lessons to both Cypriots and inexperienced (in animal care) expats and not try to make money out of people who are already struggling and caring for animals out of kindness of heart t their own or their families' expense.

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 4:53 pm**

Ragged Robin, your view is but a personal one. Why should visitors take on the responsibilities of dog owners whilst on holiday here, Should they do the same with children? KAR can pressure no Government Department. Get in the real, as opposed to fairy, world,

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 7:31 pm**

tomsteel wrote:Ragged Robin, your view is but a personal one. Why should visitors take on the responsibilities of dog owners whilst on holiday here, Should they do the same with children? KAR can pressure no Government Department. Get in the real, as opposed to fairy, world,

tomsteel: you and those like you are obviously harbouring a guilt complex.. If you dont do anything to help the dogs, other than get kudos from an organanisation, dont complain about the situation but be thankful that some do take a personal responsibility for animals . As for my view being a personal one there are a lot of people who care for more dogs than I do (or can) and who make even more sacrifices for the - only they dont seek publicity. Perhaps TS would like to explain why I and others like me should do without holidays ourselves so that "visitors" can have a carefree holiday free from pangs of conscience about stray animals.

As for children that is a ridiculous comparison - at least this is not a country where orphan children wander the streets uncared for and if they did like most people I would take one in and do the best I could for it until it was found a better home, and I am sure the authorities would deal promptly.

Also this argument has gone on dozens of times and I am not wasting proving it again - but the Brits are at least 50% responsible for the stray dog problem and it ill behoves them so be so critical of the locals - who happen to feel that people are more important than animals.

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 7:42 pm**

A bit off topic but....

We have always had pets in our family and when growing up I do not remember having to visit the vets as much as we do now.
Are all these injections we give them necessary? Are we just lining the vets pockets?

In order to protect your pet from disease, you dutifully book annual veterinary exams, then wince when your pet receives his shots. But this painful ritual may not be necessary.

After studying the effectiveness—and safety—of routine annual vaccinations, experts from two national veterinary associations issued extra guidelines in 2004 on which vaccines should be given to cats and dogs, and how often.

Their conclusion: Not all vaccines need to be given every year (though owners should continue to keep their pet's annual checkup) because most animals do not require them. What's more, in cats, repeated booster shots can cause severe reactions and in some cases cancer.

The recommendations say that after your puppy or kitten receives her initial series of vaccinations and her appropriate booster, she may only need vaccinations to protect against highly infectious diseases such as distemper and rabies every 3 years.

read more here: http://www.prevention.com/health/health ... -necessary

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 7:44 pm**

I feel sorry for Gozea - it sounds as if he/she has fallen into the same trap as I and others - a puppy is not just for Christmas or even a year or two - it is for life - yours or its.
their idea about an enclosure for "civiliized" dogs is a good one, provided there is plenty of shade and cover for the extremes of weather we meet here. However What they seem not to have realised that dogs will still need regular provision of food and water and vetinary care: if I understand the Regulations rightly they will also have to be l micropchipped and neutered by whoever cares for them and feeds them, and this is EXPENSIVE, The answer (well part of it) is a little more mutual help (as there used to be here) and less taking advantage of those who take on strays,

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 7:55 pm**

RR, we have two rescued dogs, so do not patronize me about animal care! We support KAR, where we can, Fed and water feral dogs in Girne and local areas. What do you contribute, other than demeaning me?

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 8:36 pm**

The fact there is so many replies shows that a lot of people do care, that is all it takes, enough people that are aware and care and we can come up with good practical solutions that benefit the dogs/government/councils etc and would go on to be implemented.

Ragged Robin wrote:I feel sorry for Gozea - it sounds as if he/she has fallen into the same trap as I and others - a puppy is not just for Christmas or even a year or two - it is for life - yours or its.
their idea about an enclosure for "civiliized" dogs is a good one, provided there is plenty of shade and cover for the extremes of weather we meet here. However What they seem not to have realised that dogs will still need regular provision of food and water and vetinary care: if I understand the Regulations rightly they will also have to be l micropchipped and neutered by whoever cares for them and feeds them, and this is EXPENSIVE, The answer (well part of it) is a little more mutual help (as there used to be here) and less taking advantage of those who take on strays,

No need to feel sorry for me my friend, I am happy we took in a stray puppy, it is a mutual relationship and a sacrifice made willingly.

Cally wrote:Gozoa, I have been holding off replying, I am in UK but support where I can financially anyone needing help with dogs/cats.

I would just like to touch on a suggestion of yours:-

1.) If space and funds are an issue, could you not arrange for the caged animals at the shelter to be transferred to one of the government pounds? This frees up resources, space, money, workers and would allow you to be able to help again with these freed resources. The shelter is no different to one of the pounds so their current treatment would remain the same.

When I was over in September I visited the "pound" at Famagusta (FARC) this was being run by a lady called Sarah with a couple of helpers. A purpose built (EU regulation) compound was nearing completion. Meanwhile the dogs 200+ were in 3 areas, dogs & bitches obviously separated, but difficult to keep small dogs in another area. Through the summer they tried to buy through donations pools for the dogs because of the heat fights broke out & on more than one occasion dogs were killed. In theory these dogs are well looked after compared to other "pounds".
When I was over in May the areas for dogs outside has increased to 6 (I think) all with concrete bases (easier for cleaning) as opposed to the original dirt areas. The inside areas for the sick & puppies is full, they then had 400 + dogs, doubled in 8 months, whilst I was there a crate with 4 puppies arrived.
This "pound" is supposedly financially run by the Belediye, I am not saying they don't but if it weren't for donations the dogs would lead a very sorry life. With 400 + dogs supplying food is a challenge but then to supply flea & tick treatments, just basic requirements doesn't always happen.

What KAR offer cannot be compared to a Belediye "pound, I have seen pictures of the one at Tatlisu where, when it was discovered a dead, half eaten dog was in there, how long it had been there, who knows, the water, & I use the term loosely was disgusting. Kyrenia has a "pound" in the mountains virtually inaccessible & even with all the complaints from local concerned people & offers of advice from KAR the dogs are leading a miserable life, they are left with no food or water. Complaints to the Belediye fall on deaf ears, there is a new "pound" being built & the dogs will fare no better.

If you really think that by handing over the dogs to a local Belediye in a pound will be a possible solution I'm afraid in my opinion you are committing them to a slow painful death because they will not be looked after.

I don't know what the solution is but more education is essential, Sarah at Famagusta goes into schools & invites school children to the pound as do KAR. The government has to address neutering on a massive scale, but who is there to get this done. There have been protests/demonstrations but the government is a law unto itself. I know people who are trying to get Worldwide organisations (PETA) involved. The people on the frontline so to speak are only human & it is heart breaking to see on a daily basis abandoned puppies/kittens a poor cat the other day run over & left to crawl away & in this heat would not of lasted long, luckily for her somebody who cares took her to the vet where she had her leg removed & is now recovering.

I really don't know how to finish this, I really did not want to respond but felt I had to add my views.........

I think you might be the person who has the Facebook page that you update about the strays? If it is you, you are an inspiration and truly kind hearted person and I wish you success in everything you do.

Could you clarify where exactly this pound is that you visited that had starving/dying dogs? I want to go and have a look for myself to see how the situation is there now. It is stupid of me because I risk breaking my heart, hopefully it is improved though.

I did see a pound on the way to Famagusta a couple of months back, it looked really organized and neat, I'm wondering if it is the same one? That is actually the one I based my suggestion on transferring the dogs.

Also can anyone confirm why KAR were told they could no longer neuter and release the dogs? I understand that the councils said it is their responsibility, but they could still have continued this program!

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 9:52 pm**

Gozoa wrote:The fact there is so many replies shows that a lot of people do care, that is all it takes, enough people that are aware and care and we can come up with good practical solutions that benefit the dogs/government/councils etc and would go on to be implemented.

Ragged Robin wrote:I feel sorry for Gozea - it sounds as if he/she has fallen into the same trap as I and others - a puppy is not just for Christmas or even a year or two - it is for life - yours or its.
their idea about an enclosure for "civiliized" dogs is a good one, provided there is plenty of shade and cover for the extremes of weather we meet here. However What they seem not to have realised that dogs will still need regular provision of food and water and vetinary care: if I understand the Regulations rightly they will also have to be l micropchipped and neutered by whoever cares for them and feeds them, and this is EXPENSIVE, The answer (well part of it) is a little more mutual help (as there used to be here) and less taking advantage of those who take on strays,
No need to feel sorry for me my friend, I am happy we took in a stray puppy, it is a mutual relationship and a sacrifice made willingly.

Indeed dogs can be wonderful companions, and I am very pleased for you and the puppy. I hope you will long have the strength, health and money to be able to continue to look after it.

Cally wrote:Gozoa, I have been holding off replying, I am in UK but support where I can financially anyone needing help with dogs/cats.

I would just like to touch on a suggestion of yours:-

1.) If space and funds are an issue, could you not arrange for the caged animals at the shelter to be transferred to one of the government pounds? This frees up resources, space, money, workers and would allow you to be able to help again with these freed resources. The shelter is no different to one of the pounds so their current treatment would remain the same.

When I was over in September I visited the "pound" at Famagusta (FARC) this was being run by a lady called Sarah with a couple of helpers. A purpose built (EU regulation) compound was nearing completion. Meanwhile the dogs 200+ were in 3 areas, dogs & bitches obviously separated, but difficult to keep small dogs in another area. Through the summer they tried to buy through donations pools for the dogs because of the heat fights broke out & on more than one occasion dogs were killed. In theory these dogs are well looked after compared to other "pounds".
When I was over in May the areas for dogs outside has increased to 6 (I think) all with concrete bases (easier for cleaning) as opposed to the original dirt areas. The inside areas for the sick & puppies is full, they then had 400 + dogs, doubled in 8 months, whilst I was there a crate with 4 puppies arrived.
This "pound" is supposedly financially run by the Belediye, I am not saying they don't but if it weren't for donations the dogs would lead a very sorry life. With 400 + dogs supplying food is a challenge but then to supply flea & tick treatments, just basic requirements doesn't always happen.

What KAR offer cannot be compared to a Belediye "pound, I have seen pictures of the one at Tatlisu where, when it was discovered a dead, half eaten dog was in there, how long it had been there, who knows, the water, & I use the term loosely was disgusting. Kyrenia has a "pound" in the mountains virtually inaccessible & even with all the complaints from local concerned people & offers of advice from KAR the dogs are leading a miserable life, they are left with no food or water. Complaints to the Belediye fall on deaf ears, there is a new "pound" being built & the dogs will fare no better.

If you really think that by handing over the dogs to a local Belediye in a pound will be a possible solution I'm afraid in my opinion you are committing them to a slow painful death because they will not be looked after.

I don't know what the solution is but more education is essential, Sarah at Famagusta goes into schools & invites school children to the pound as do KAR. The government has to address neutering on a massive scale, but who is there to get this done. There have been protests/demonstrations but the government is a law unto itself. I know people who are trying to get Worldwide organisations (PETA) involved. The people on the frontline so to speak are only human & it is heart breaking to see on a daily basis abandoned puppies/kittens a poor cat the other day run over & left to crawl away & in this heat would not of lasted long, luckily for her somebody who cares took her to the vet where she had her leg removed & is now recovering.

I really don't know how to finish this, I really did not want to respond but felt I had to add my views.........
I think you might be the person who has the Facebook page that you update about the strays? If it is you, you are an inspiration and truly kind hearted person and I wish you success in everything you do.

Could you clarify where exactly this pound is that you visited that had starving/dying dogs? I want to go and have a look for myself to see how the situation is there now. It is stupid of me because I risk breaking my heart, hopefully it is improved though.

I did see a pound on the way to Famagusta a couple of months back, it looked really organized and neat, I'm wondering if it is the same one? That is actually the one I based my suggestion on transferring the dogs.

Also can anyone confirm why KAR were told they could no longer neuter and release the dogs? I understand that the councils said it is their responsibility, but they could still have continued this program!

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 10:09 pm**

tomsteel wrote:RR, we have two rescued dogs, so do not patronize me about animal care! We support KAR, where we can, Fed and water feral dogs in Girne and local areas. What do you contribute, other than demeaning me?

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TS Talk about pots and kettles! Your post was patronising me, although I assume you know no more about me and my dogs etc. than I do about you.. Obviously someone else on this Forum who cannot conduct a discussion without personal attacks on anyone who presents a different point of view - and I have no time to cope with such.

Posted: **Sun 10 Jul 2016 10:46 pm**

Please please TS & RR refrain from making this a personal battle between yourselves.

Gozoa made a reasonable request, but those that have followed the plight of stray "dumped" puppies know there is no simple solution. I did not want to join this discussion, but against my better judgement I did & I will follow up on Gozoa's request from me for more information. Your personal battle is of no help what so ever......

Posted: **Mon 11 Jul 2016 6:51 am**

Thank you Cally.

We all know that this is a very emotive subject - please stay within forum rules.

Posted: **Mon 11 Jul 2016 12:58 pm**

Gozoa....... some information, firstly a link to the appalling conditions that were discovered at the Tatlisu Secret Pound, it is taken from Turkish/Cypriot paper...... http://evrenselgazete.com/index.php/tat ... nc-vahset/ , but you will get the picture, if hopefully the link works, I took it from earlier posts. Followed by directions but by all accounts there are supposedly no more dogs, when told this we enquired from the Belediye where they had gone "adopted" I won't print what we thought of that answer.
....." Directions - at the Tatlisu roundabout, turn left towards the sea with the Alpet garage on the left and the Carob Tree pub on your right. Drive towards the sea, past the mosque on the left and shop on the right. At the T Junction, turn right. Yaman Restaurant on the left, approx 800 metres further on there is a Cyprus University sign on the right and a Tatlisu Belidiye sign/building. Park here. On the left is an old tarmaced road with a locked gated barrier. Fear not. To the left is a field, enter it and keep to the right hand fence which runs adjacent to the locked off road. Soon you will come to one of many broken sections of fencing, pass through and onto the road heading towards the sea. The road turns right, then left. You will be amongst a host of derelict buildings. The pound is on the right across a small courtyard like structure. The dogs will announce their presence as you approach. Having peered through a glass-less window, I saw 2 separated compounds with dogs in both on concrete, faeces spattered floors, no noticeable feeding bowls, fresh drinking water and no bedding/protection from the floor. I assume there is no running water to wash the floor or the dogs. This was reported by a concerned Kibkomer.

As for the much better run pound at Famagusta (FARC) I have contacted Sarah & will pm you her number & if you wish to visit & get an update of what they do there she is more than willing to show you round.

I am not sure if you have my identity but I am quite happy to share, when joining I was not too sure about names thus "alias" I am Catherine Wood & I try to share any appeals for lost/found dogs/cats on here over to the fb page of Hope4Pets & vice verse.

Posted: **Mon 11 Jul 2016 8:04 pm**

The result is som.eone's kind decision to help a stray puppy is causing them a life-long inconvenience that they had no intention to take on but were forced to do so, lest have the blood of that animal on their own hands. This is not right or fair on these peopl

If anyone has any ideas please share them

Above are extracts on the original post. I commented and expanded the problems people who adopt dogs experience, also on a suggestion on a later post, and also put forward suggestion - more support and less disincentives for people who adopt dogs and more education for adults caring for animals.

As a result of my exercising what I understand was my human right not to mention the rules of this forum to express my own views on the subject,, I suffered a personal attack from another poster. Since I objected to this and refused to enter into more of the tiresome argument that apppear hereon the "I do more for dogs/cats,/charity than you do" lines so regular here, I am now being blamed for holding a personal fight with someone whom I dont know from adam and who nonetheless chose to cricitize the fact that I apparently do not share his views. TS appears to feel I have no right to a personal view, but my problems and worse are shared by many others and should be highlighted. Unfortunately helping humans in distress and or their animals does not apparently carry the publicity attraction of picking a cuddly puppy or kitten off the street.

My fault of course - I should have know better than enter a "doggy"thread and realised that the rules of Animal Farm truly apply here - some posters'views are more equal than others!

Posted: **Mon 11 Jul 2016 9:42 pm**

Last warning.

This is an emotive subject. The original poster was looking for ideas as to how it may be possible to help the huge number of dogs and puppies that require rehoming and how it may be possible to resolve this problem. Lets keep to that.

If posters cannot stick to the original topic then please do not post. Sadly this topic is coming close to being locked as things are now getting far to personal.

Thanks

Posted: **Mon 11 Jul 2016 9:53 pm**

Thank you Posh........I was letting it go, it was rather upsetting to see, capitals & in colour, so unnecessary in my mind, another post should of been started.

Posted: **Wed 13 Jul 2016 2:31 pm**

Hi Cally,

Thank you for the directions, I will travel there at some point and get some videos and photos with my gopro if it is bad so I can show everyone.

You aren't the person who I thought you were, however bless you for the work you do.

Ragged robin, the unwarranted attack on your post was very apparent, however the mods are trying to keep this as a thread that is trying to achieve something rather than allow it to descend into a pointless argument.

Posted: **Wed 13 Jul 2016 3:26 pm**

Gozoa wrote:Hi Cally,

Thank you for the directions, I will travel there at some point and get some videos and photos with my gopro if it is bad so I can show everyone.

You aren't the person who I thought you were, however bless you for the work you do.

Ragged robin, the unwarranted attack on your post was very apparent, however the mods are trying to keep this as a thread that is trying to achieve something rather than allow it to descend into a pointless argument.

Gozoa: Bless you for your understanding and kind thoughts. . I am feeling pretty upset because of illness and worry about my dogs, and this sort of cruel and unwarranted attack does not help.

As for as the mods are concerned, you loyalty is commenable , but these are the same two who claimed not to have received several emails and PMs I sent them about another unwarranted attack, and as I have also been concerned about the judgement of the mod's on other posters, and their patronising attitude I have lost all faith in the judgement and moderation on this board and it will be a long time if ever before I post again.

Having said that bear with me to go ot on one point. I have been very confused on a couple of other threads where quote is used as to who is saying what. As this board does not have the facility of more sophisticated ones to change typeface, I changed the colour, so that it would be clear what were the words of the original poster to which I was responding. I did not want to use red, so tried blue but it does not stand out well so I also enlarged the text. This took time and trouble was done for the convenience of readers, and I strongly resent the poster and mods wh attribute their devious motives to me!.

Finally I would say that yes, people do have strong feeling abouts dogs. So do I and also about people. It saddens me that I am not allowed to express them, beccause the causes I espouse are not always as attractive as cute puppies and kittens.

Good by, and thanks to the minority of decent people I have "talked to" on this Board.

Posted: **Wed 13 Jul 2016 5:57 pm**

Ragged Robin, I hope you will look in one more time to see that I sent you a PM a couple of days ago. Sorry to hear you have been unwell.

Posted: **Wed 13 Jul 2016 7:31 pm**

thank you Dalartokat ... Sorry I was relying on the PM being highlighted and reported on my email as I had set them, but apparently something else not working as I expected. I will PM you in the next day or two and send you my email and check pms separately in future. Same goes for others who sent pms.

Posted: **Fri 12 Aug 2016 8:17 pm**

Hepsi - Your post has been deleted as it is against the forum rules. It is completely unacceptable to post inflammatory comments regarding a religion or the people that practice that religion. Any further posts of this nature will result in a ban.

Gozoa - As you have quoted the posting made by Hepsi I have had to delete your response. Just to make you aware of reasons for deletion.

Posted: **Sat 13 Aug 2016 8:31 am**

I say again and again, the only answer is educating the Turkish Cypriots to realise that neutering their dogs is not only beneficial to the animals but in all respects. If one could make them think that neutering is MACHO, do you think that would help!

Posted: **Sat 13 Aug 2016 6:50 pm**

If the Vet Department and this Government would have a 3 month amnesty whereby neutering was free, the uptake would be huge. Its not just an educational thing you know, do the maths as to how much Vets charge and what the minimum wage is per day. Masses of people are paid less than minimum wage as well.

Posted: **Sat 13 Aug 2016 6:59 pm**

I couldn't agree more Sophie, a little cooperation between them could go a long way for the welfare of the dogs & cats .........

Posted: **Sat 13 Aug 2016 7:19 pm**

hepsi, if it were not for the 'britsh part time PC Brigade' here in the TRNC many more animals would be suffering. Please do not generalise about nationalities. Many UK expats care deeply.

Posted: **Sat 13 Aug 2016 7:21 pm**

Mods please remove

Posted: **Sat 13 Aug 2016 9:05 pm**

A member who has recently joined the forum has now been banned for posting comments which were against the forum rules.

Appreciate this is an emotive topic but any comments degenerating a country, its people, religion etc will be deleted and the member will receive a warning/ban.

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