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Posted: **Sun 16 Apr 2017 7:57 pm**

I sometimes have to sit on my hands when I see over and over again on this Board so many obvious and repeated mistakes in the English language - by native English speakers. However I dared not comment for fear of the Praetorian Guard l declaring war on the "Grammar Pollice" and /or my personal stalker who obvious scan posts for mistakes will pick up every typo and every comma I put out of place!

I was, therefore, pleased to see the BBC have tackled one of the most common misunderstandings "The Grocers' apostrophe". If you go the the BBC's I Player page and scroll to the bottom you will see a "Fish and Chip's" (sic) sign and an article "Punctuation : How to mind your P'S and Q's." Follow that through and you will find several helpful articles on grammar etc. I was fascinated to see that they actually published the Beeb's own guide to Style. It has been quoted to me for years as the ideal for correct English, but this is the first time I have actually seen it, and I was pleasantly surprised to see how easy it was and how clear the explanations.

If you are unsure about your English syntax (for example "their" "there" and "They're") do take a little time to read it.

If like me you thought you knew what you were doing but have got old and lazy, it is a valuable refresher course.

Posted: **Sun 16 Apr 2017 9:23 pm**

You should check out the Grammer Vigilante in Bristol ..... Been on the news recently ....Top man he is.

Posted: **Sun 16 Apr 2017 10:07 pm**

Must admit it is a pet hate of mine & I would be so mortified if I made a mistake.....some places even underline if incorrect spelling & I will go to google to get correct spelling...........

Posted: **Sun 16 Apr 2017 10:12 pm**

I had seen that on the news. Very funny. Can understand it when people post on the forum and make mistakes, I see nothing wrong with that as we sometimes rush when posting. But to make spelling errors on your business sign board, or company literature, is very unprofessional.

One mistake I continually come across is the word "till" used in short for "until", which should be written as 'til.

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 5:33 am**

Police has only one L

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 6:27 am**

It drives me mad the incorrect grammar and spelling on this forum. I sometimes cannot understand what people are trying to say. We all suffer with the predictive text syndrome putting words in that we don't want but nobody seems to re read what they have written. I know everyone is in a hurry these days but it doesn't take a minute to read the text before sending.

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 7:25 am**

Deniz1 wrote:Police has only one L

Touche!

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 7:57 am**

Some people don't write much or often and some of those misuse words or use incorrect words. No problem if we follow the spirit of what's been written. Looking at multiple intelligences as suggested by Howard Gardner we all have prefered intelligences and some are more developed than others. My mathematical intelligence is rubbish coz I don't use it often as is my spelling though I've written 30,000 words of my book but, I want to keep editors and proofreaders in work. No problem innit. Ya get me man.

Here below are Howard Gardner's intelligences

Intelligence modalities

1.1 Musical-rhythmic and harmonic
1.2 Visual-spatial
1.3 Verbal-linguistic
1.4 Logical-mathematical
1.5 Bodily-kinesthetic
1.6 Interpersonal
1.7 Intrapersonal
1.8 Naturalistic
1.9 Existential
1.10 Additional intelligences

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 8:05 am**

cjtill - true, but, not every person who posts on the forum has English as their first language. I am very sure indeed that if I attempted to post on a Turkish Forum, then my Turkish would be wide open to comment and criticism! Sad to say but the use of mobile devices and the speed of two thumbs has more to blame for the decline in written and hence spoken languages than any other thing. Abbreviations are made up on the spur of the moment or by accident and become acceptable due to popular usage.

CMIIW BC AFAIK TNSTAAFL - This may help if you have become confused: http://www.txtdrop.com/abbreviations.php For those who have been properly "Schooled" in English there is no excuse however, I received my schooling from a variety of sources, none of which I can claim to be "Proper" - I therefore claim some exemption from some criticism!

HAND NRN...........

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 10:16 am**

No Waddo - if you (or I) tried to post in Turkish we should not be subject to criticism - only advice and help since we are at least making the effort to communicate in another language!... There is less excuse for bad English if you are a native speaker as , even if you missed out schooling - as there are so many means to catch up, through the BBC for instance. Much more than there is for people like I who are mathematically and technologically challenged! But the best way to learn to speak and write English well is to read it - an art being lost thorugh mobiles and the internet.

As for the rest of your post - it is "all Greek to me"!!!!

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 2:14 pm**

"TNSTAAFL" - interesting; I recognised it, but I've only ever seen it as the even more grammatically-deformed "TANSTAAFL" (there ain't no such thing....) - double negative!!!

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 3:01 pm**

Edumacation is important But a good beer is importanter.

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 3:28 pm**

Karmels: I think you mean "edification"!

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 8:11 pm**

It is true that we all make mistakes (and not just in grammar and spelling) particularly when we are rushing. However these "careless" mistakes are usually obvious for what they are, often simply typos and don't alter the meaning of a post.

What is annoying is people who do not bother to check their posts, not so much for errors as to make sure they have actually conveyed what they meant to say. This particularly applies to headings : there are at least three on the Board at the moment which are totally misleading. It is, if nothing else, bad manners to waste other people's time by not taking the trouble to make sure one has expressed oneself clearly.

What also annoys me is people who have insufficient vocabulary to express their emotions - simply calling someone who does something you disapprove of "scum" or worse hardly helps the situation, and "oops" presumably intended to convey a swear word is even worse. What is wrong with making it clear what you think of the behaviour (rather than the person as you risk unfairness and even libel action if there is no proof)

eg: "I think putting down poison which will cause a painful death in innocent animals (and possibly putting children at risk) is evil, cruel, selfish and inhuman, and the people who do it should be punished by law"

should hopefully get more attention than "These people are "xxxxxxxs" and should be shot."

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 8:24 pm**

Predictive text annoys me, and I do not have it on my PC, whichI use for emails and posting on boards in preference to a smartphone. as I am a touch typist and need a keyboard. The fact that my keyboard is Turkish does sometimes cause problems, not with the letters but because the Turkish keyboard is adapted from the American which has punctuation marks in different places from the English model on which I learned.

I do use spell check because my spelling is not what it used to be, but I have to check the checker because as well as not indicating when a wrong word is used but correctly spelt (eg weather in mistake for whether) it will insist on giving American spellings and does not even give the option of British England - which I consider to be racial harassment!

Posted: **Mon 17 Apr 2017 8:40 pm**

If you try to post a word which the forum software classes as unacceptable, then the word ooops will be substituted automatically...

As for your keyboard and spell checker, there is provision in the Control Panel to configure 'proper' English layout and spelling, but you would need either to poke around a little yourself, or to prevail upon some kind soul to do it on your behalf

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 1:53 am**

And while we're on the subject. What I find amusing not annoying is, "No Smoking Allowed." When I see this I silently chuckle and say to myself. "No smoking IS allowed. Well that's OK then coz I aint smoking is I?

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 5:53 am**

Some people for one reason or another are maybe not as well educated as others, some people (as mentioned above) may make genuine errors on their phone/laptop as above (RR: whichI use for emails or smartphone. as I am ?? Query - fullstop? small a? So much for the checker!!) , some people may have 'learning difficulties' and as such are unable to write English up to your acceptable standard and some (as already said may not have English as their first language.

I think a thread like this serves no purpose but to belittle all those who wish to contribute to a so-called 'community' forum but will inevitably feel put down by those who think they no better!

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:24 am**

Well said and I agree with you Bernie.

I think a thread like this serves no purpose but to belittle all those who wish to contribute to a so-called 'community' forum but will inevitably feel put down by those who think they no better!

The S G P group (Spelling, Grammar, Punctuation group) do love to criticize and tell others how to write and speak.

Oh dear how sad for them with nothing better or more worthwhile to put their minds to. Ha ha ha . lol

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 6:47 am**

'E nose yer no!

I think that most proficient native English language speakers should be able to understand a sentence containing commonly misspelt / misused words - it doesn't take a great deal of effort, and those who aren't quite up to the same standard probably wouldn't realise that there was anything wrong anyway

Grammar can be more taxing when trying to wrest meaning from text of course, but look upon it as FUN - rather than an opportunity to criticise...

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 7:33 am**

Well said post 18,19,20.

BTW, Johnerebus, ain't there an apostrophe in aint?

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 11:40 am**

johnerebus and Keithcaley ..... you spoilt it

I was waiting to see if RR noticed

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 12:02 pm**

The English language and particularly grammar is complicated enough for those of us native English speakers. It is therefore more difficult for non English speakers.

Back in the day the emphasis on using correct spelling, grammar etc was important and indeed still is. However whilst I try hard to spell correctly, use correct grammar, punctuation etc I often make errors. In the big scheme of things it's not the end of the world to get things wrong, especially if English is not your first language.

More frustrating is when people post or try to debate using mobile text speak. Init

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 12:11 pm**

PoshinDevon wrote:...Init...

Which, as far as I can tell, translates into Turkish as 'Değil mi?'

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 2:24 pm**

Oh dear I was afraid that would happen. What a shame that some people have to believe the worst of every post and - I can only assume - get a rather perverse pleasure out of attacking anyone who tries to hold an interesting conversation.

This post was not intended to denigrate anyone! If you actually take the trouble to read the first post it was intended to help those who have problems for whatever reason. I would expect anyone who has normal sentiments to realise that and be grateful - just as I am grateful to those who try to help me with problems with the internet about which I am uneductated, ignorant and not very clever and I am not ashamed to admit it and my need for help. What the BBC are doing seems to me to be very clear and simple with understandable explanations. I only wish I could find something equally accessible in subjects I need some guidance on.

However as I said earlier there is no excuse for bad schooling as there are so many resources available to make up, And there is no excuse for not bothering to check you post for clarity - even if you won't do it for correct spelling and grammar, Nor or using swear words because you are too lazy to look up the proper word

Never mind, I explain you will alll soon be happy and your vitriol will result -again - in a useful thread being closed - through no fault of the subject or the original poster!

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 2:31 pm**

johnerebus wrote:And while we're on the subject. What I find amusing not annoying is, "No Smoking Allowed." When I see this I silently chuckle and say to myself. "No smoking IS allowed. Well that's OK then coz I aint smoking is I?

Sometimes it is just a matter of positioning.

In the swimming baths I sometimes went to in the UK and under the Note saying "Deep End" - was a notice saying "No Smoking". It always made me laugh as I had never managed to work out how to keep a cigarette alight while swimming let alone in the deep end!

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 2:37 pm**

Bernie wrote:Some people for one reason or another are maybe not as well educated as others, some people (as mentioned above) may make genuine errors on their phone/laptop as above (RR: whichI use for emails or smartphone. as I am ?? Query - fullstop? small a? So much for the checker!!) , some people may have 'learning difficulties' and as such are unable to write English up to your acceptable standard and some (as already said may not have English as their first language.

I think a thread like this serves no purpose but to belittle all those who wish to contribute to a so-called 'community' forum but will inevitably feel put down by those who think they no better!

Bernie : I never said I dont make mistakes I also explained that I get punctuation wrong because of my keyboard (also actually because of arthritic fingers, there are many types of difficulty)) I meant to put a comma, not a full stop.

However since you raise it; "think they no better"?

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 2:44 pm**

Keithcaley wrote:If you try to post a word which the forum software classes as unacceptable, then the word ooops will be substituted automatically...

As for your keyboard and spell checker, there is provision in the Control Panel to configure 'proper' English layout and spelling, but you would need either to poke around a little yourself, or to prevail upon some kind soul to do it on your behalf

Thank for the info Keith. I do not normally use, let alone post, words which the forum software classes as unacceptable so I did not know!

Being a well brough up girl, "oops" is what I say when one of my dogs has a"little accident" on the best carpet, so I assumed the poster concerned meant what the dog had done - mmm well, perhaps they did

If this thread survives I will get back to you later on the second para.

Posted: **Tue 18 Apr 2017 4:25 pm**

Frankly I despair of the poor written English by those with English as their first language.

I've commented before but the general level of grammar on this forum is so poor it is just a matter of oooops in the wind. If they haven't cracked it after ten or more years of full time education they never will. Dopey or what? (in the modern idiom)

Posted: **Wed 19 Apr 2017 8:32 am**

You will stop people from posting on here with discussions like this. It is a forum for sharing information for goodness sake! Please stop ripping into people for their grammatical errors, it's offensive and rude! We are not all "Well educated" as say and you DO not know people's background........,

Posted: **Wed 19 Apr 2017 9:48 am**

I agree with you 100% Whatarotty.

For goodness sake this is a forum for ALL. The grammar syntax, semantics, spelling, and punctuation brigade need to chill man and get off their self assessed much superior high horses on which they sit policing and groaning and moaning about the structural vocabulary of others. Y'll av a nice day now innit.

Posted: **Wed 19 Apr 2017 4:23 pm**

Of course the English language is difficult - it is a mish-mash of a number of languages, with the result that it is also the most flexible and expressive language of all and I think has the widest vocabulary. If for no other reason we should be grateful to be English because we inherited such a beautiful language. It is a kind of sacrilege to debase it, and I feel so sorry for those who do not take advantage of its value , they are missing so much and whatever level of learning you are at, there are so many ways of improving. Of course we all make mistakes, it is inevitable with such a complicated language, the man who never made mistakes never made anything , and is anything that is valuable not difficult? But at least people should try, and not attack those who make an effort to communicate correctly.

Jonerebus: I am puzzled. Do you mind telling me why with your view on the English language you chose that particular name?

Posted: **Wed 19 Apr 2017 4:35 pm**

Whatarotty wrote:You will stop people from posting on here with discussions like this. It is a forum for sharing information for goodness sake! Please stop ripping into people for their grammatical errors, it's offensive and rude! We are not all "Well educated" as say and you DO not know people's background........,

I do no think you need worry about that whatarotty - the Preatorian Guard and the Witch Hunters and philistines generally far outnumber those of us who like a reasoned debate in reasonably correct English, and what is more it appears you have Admin and at least one Moderator on your side. It is the allegedly "educated" people who will be driven from the Board! A shame and not I think in the long term interests of the forum, but it is a fact.

Have you never heard of "self education" where people study areas they are interested in or poor at, for the sake of becoming more fulfilled and interesting people. Excuse me, I have now had enough of this - I am going back to struggling with the Turkish language!

PS are you sure you can read, let alone write? If so please go back to my original post and you will see that sharing information is exactly what it did!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: **Wed 19 Apr 2017 10:05 pm**

Ragged Robin wrote:
Whatarotty wrote:You will stop people from posting on here with discussions like this. It is a forum for sharing information for goodness sake! Please stop ripping into people for their grammatical errors, it's offensive and rude! We are not all "Well educated" as say and you DO not know people's background........,
I do no think you need worry about that whatarotty - the Preatorian Guard and the Witch Hunters and philistines generally far outnumber those of us who like a reasoned debate in reasonably correct English, and what is more it appears you have Admin and at least one Moderator on your side. It is the allegedly "educated" people who will be driven from the Board! A shame and not I think in the long term interests of the forum, but it is a fact.

Have you never heard of "self education" where people study areas they are interested in or poor at, for the sake of becoming more fulfilled and interesting people. Excuse me, I have now had enough of this - I am going back to struggling with the Turkish language!

PS are you sure you can read, let alone write? If so please go back to my original post and you will see that sharing information is exactly what it did!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surely that should be Praetorian Guard, of which you seem awfully fond.
In the great sway of things is it really so important if an apostrophe or comma is in the wrong place, this is a forum, not a Masters Degree course and people shouldn't be ridiculed or insulted for that, even the most educated amongst us get things wrong sometimes.

Posted: **Thu 20 Apr 2017 6:16 am**

Ragged Robbin the answer to your question, "Jonerebus: I am puzzled. Do you mind telling me why with your view on the English language you chose that particular name?" years ago I lived on the Thames in London in Erebus Drive and I took the name johnerebus ( john with the h you'll notice.)

My question to all is does a full stop at the end of a sentence contained in brackets go inside or outside of the brackets? I think we should be told to prevent more sleepless nights and insufferable mental anguish.

And finally please remember: a full stop comes really does come at the end of your sentence of life.

Posted: **Thu 20 Apr 2017 7:50 am**

If it's a full sentence, deserving of a full stop, then the full stop should be inside the brackets.

johnerebus wrote:...at the end of your sentence of life.

...and it's the one sentence for which you don't want to get time off for good behaviour!

Posted: **Thu 20 Apr 2017 9:22 am**

I'm still struggling with " However I dared not comment for fear of the Praetorian Guard l declaring war on the "Grammar Pollice" and /or my personal stalker who obvious scan posts for mistakes will pick up every typo and every comma I put out of place!" from the original post...

You will note, I'm in favour of the ellipsis... where a throw away comment infers there's more to read into what is said.

Posted: **Thu 20 Apr 2017 3:05 pm**

johnerebus wrote:Ragged Robbin the answer to your question, "Jonerebus: I am puzzled. Do you mind telling me why with your view on the English language you chose that particular name?" years ago I lived on the Thames in London in Erebus Drive and I took the name johnerebus ( john with the h you'll notice.)

Thanks. That explains it - just a rather strange coincidence. Ian Rankin writes detective stories about an Edinburgh
Detective Inspector called John Rebus! (with an "h"). I thought you must have adopted that as your name. As well as being really good detective stories, Rankin's books are really written in good English (except of course when one of his characters speaks dialect, which is another matter) and his ability to convey the atmosphere of a place or the weather in a few very simple sentences leaves me green with envy. I did not understand how someone with your views on English grammar would like his books enough to adopt a name from them!

PS In my second sentence above the brackets go before the full stop , because '(with an "h")' is a subordinate clause, not a full sentence in its own right.

MYy question to all is does a full stop at the end of a sentence contained in brackets go inside or outside of the brackets? I think we should be told to prevent more sleepless nights and insufferable mental anguish.

And finally please remember: a full stop comes really does come at the end of your sentence of life.

Posted: **Thu 20 Apr 2017 7:50 pm**

Groucho wrote:I'm still struggling with " However I dared not comment for fear of the Praetorian Guard l declaring war on the "Grammar Pollice" and /or my personal stalker who obvious scan posts for mistakes will pick up every typo and every comma I put out of place!" from the original post...

You will note, I'm in favour of the ellipsis... where a throw away comment infers there's more to read into what is said.

What exactly is your problem with that Groucho?

Some time ago I started using the expression "sacred cows" to describe a number of institutions (mainly but not all British Expat-run) which attract such strong loyalty that any post to which the reader can by the wildest stretch of imagination attribute the faintest criticism will be attacked mercilessly.

I then added the expression "Praetorian Guard" for those who so mistakenly and unnecessarily and often offensively rush to the defense of the sacred cows. Perhaps not ideal , but the best I could think of at the time, No hidden agenda , no ellipsis, just a sort of shorthand to save me having to
repeatedly go into lengthy descriptions and/or be tempted to use more discourteous expressions! Incidentally, if Eizabeth is reading this, "Praetorian" is not an English word so I can misspell it :lol

Yes I know, spot the deliberate mistake! I split an infinitive above - I boldy went

Similarly, I also sometimes use the expression "Witch Hunt" for when a number of posters decide the gang up on one person's sincere opinions - because it reminds me of the crowd hysteria of witch hunts in olden times. A psychologist could have a field day seeing how the instinct which sent people to watch executions has transformed itself for the internet!

"Wolf Pack " might have been a better term that "Witch Hunt" but I rather like wolves!

As for my "stalker" they know who they are: I have no intention of naming names, they are I think harmless , indeed well-meaning and sometimes positively helpful! It is just that sometimes the feeling of someone watching over my should makes my nervy and then of course, human nature being what it is , I start making silly mistakes - which are very quickly picked up on

Posted: **Fri 21 Apr 2017 9:04 am**

Ragged Robin wrote:
Groucho wrote:I'm still struggling with " However I dared not comment for fear of the Praetorian Guard l declaring war on the "Grammar Pollice" and /or my personal stalker who obvious scan posts for mistakes will pick up every typo and every comma I put out of place!" from the original post...

You will note, I'm in favour of the ellipsis... where a throw away comment infers there's more to read into what is said.

What exactly is your problem with that Groucho?

Some time ago I started using the expression "sacred cows" to describe a number of institutions (mainly but not all British Expat-run) which attract such strong loyalty that any post to which the reader can by the wildest stretch of imagination attribute the faintest criticism will be attacked mercilessly.

I then added the expression "Praetorian Guard" for those who so mistakenly and unnecessarily and often offensively rush to the defense of the sacred cows. Perhaps not ideal , but the best I could think of at the time, No hidden agenda , no ellipsis, just a sort of shorthand to save me having to
repeatedly go into lengthy descriptions and/or be tempted to use more discourteous expressions! Incidentally, if Eizabeth is reading this, "Praetorian" is not an English word so I can misspell it :lol

Yes I know, spot the deliberate mistake! I split an infinitive above - I boldy went

Similarly, I also sometimes use the expression "Witch Hunt" for when a number of posters decide the gang up on one person's sincere opinions - because it reminds me of the crowd hysteria of witch hunts in olden times. A psychologist could have a field day seeing how the instinct which sent people to watch executions has transformed itself for the internet!

"Wolf Pack " might have been a better term that "Witch Hunt" but I rather like wolves!

As for my "stalker" they know who they are: I have no intention of naming names, they are I think harmless , indeed well-meaning and sometimes positively helpful! It is just that sometimes the feeling of someone watching over my should makes my nervy and then of course, human nature being what it is , I start making silly mistakes - which are very quickly picked up on

My problem with it is that I can not make the sentence read well... At all! That you should choose to include such a sentence in a plea for better usage of English is, to me at least, quite baffling.

Posted: **Fri 21 Apr 2017 2:03 pm**

I do not see what is wrong with the sentence, except that a letter "I" seems to have crept in unnecessarily: I am not quite sure how, maybe the ..... spell check had a fit! Those who claim a minor error does not affect the sense of a post should not have been thrown by that. Or was the structure just too complicated for you? A purist might say the sentence was too long or should have been split up by punctuation. But then I am not a purist, for from it, and I write less formally and more colloquially on a forum where one tries to have more of a conversation, than in more formal communications!

I am just someone who deplores the poor example of the English language which is set on this thread, with really horrible clangers; and who simply - and purely in a spirit of helpfulness - passed on some interesting and, I genuinely thought, helpful information that I had found.

Perhaps the lesson is not to try to be helpful or is it just that no one here really wants a serious discussion - just an excuse for another Witch Hunt.

Before I abandon this thread, I want to make one more point. Several people have remarked that not all the contributors to this forum are native English speakers. If they had taken the trouble to read my first post properly they would see that I had, deliberately and explicitly, addressed my comments to native English speakers. However perhaps those with such a chip on their shoulder they seem actually proud of their poor English and resentful of anyone who tries to do better ought to consider how unfair it is to mislead those who may well be reading this forum to practice their English .

I do however know several Cypriots (Greek and Turkish), Pakistanis, Indians Hungarians and Germans and an Iranian who speak considerably better English than most of the posters here. Some face not just a different language but a different alphabet. Most do not by any means have privileged backgrounds, and reading this thread makes me ashamed to be English.

Keith earlier raised an interesting point about spell checkers. In the hope of losing the Witch Hunters who have taken over this thread, I will start a new one, and Spell Checking is surely of interest to all, regardless of their proficiency in English.

Posted: **Fri 21 Apr 2017 5:53 pm**

I am sorry but have to say whilst I have followed this thread.....to see if actually it has more of a point rather than a schoolmistress smacking on the wrists...... forgive me but, I really think that there is serious paranoia here, I truly have lost the point, other than points being scored over each other....and honestly Ragged Robin, I think that by now everyone on this forum is fully aware of your disabilities, in-capabilities , your depression and everything else that you have to cope with... we all have things to cope with in life...and if it is simply English Grammar then that is marvelous....is it not... life is life, get on with it......who the hell cares if someone spells something incorrectly....on the other hand who the hell cares if someone needs some help in whatever shape or form...personally I will always hold out my hand to people in need. and I could not give a "ooops" about what language I use to hold out my hand...get a life please....
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Posted: **Fri 21 Apr 2017 7:34 pm**

mrsgee; no you are not aware of my disabilities (other than walking difficulties where I try to raise awareness of the problems for the sake of others as well as myself). Nor do I suffer from clinical depression, although I do get upset and depressed nasty posts, such as yours!

I do have a life - not perhaps the one I would have wanted for my old age, nor probably what you would want, but, mainly because of the help of Cypriot friends I am building something, And yes it does help a lot that I enjoy and have always enjoyed reading and writing in the England language - I feel so sorry for those who do not have that blessing - it it so wrong that I should want to help them. If they like me are unfortunate enough to have limited mobility and to get out they will suffer more because they have neglected resources that would help. I would also really enjoy serious discussions of local mattes, but there are so many people with chips the size of tree trunks of their shoulders and so many with fixed ideas and inability to consider others' points of view, that it is impossible.

As for help - I have not asked for help from anyone on this forum and would not accept it from most if it were offered - so you can put your hand................no I will resist saying it.

What I have asked for, though not on this thread, is that consideration be give to the problems of people with various forms of disability, and their problems of access. I have also asked they be given the opportunity to help others.

This is off topic; anyway I have said all I want to but as my mother used to say "there are none no deaf as those who will not hear.

No more from me on this thread

Posted: **Sat 22 Apr 2017 6:00 am**

Phew - Thank goodness for that!

Posted: **Sat 22 Apr 2017 7:22 am**

This topic has gone downhill and comments are becoming personal.

Topic locked.

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