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Hi, we are looking at replacing 2 old type air con units with the new inverter type one for a large open plan high roofed lounge/kitchen/dinning room and one for our bedroom, can anyone recommend somewhere we can purchase and have them fitted, we reside in Ozankoy.

Many Thanks

Blomberg / Grundig - shop more or less opposite the end of the GAU road in Karaoğlanoğlu.
Reasonable price, wıll gıve you a dıscount for your old A/C unıts, and excellent service!

Thanks Keith.

We supply and install these air conditioners.
We can visit you and give you a free, no obligation quote.
0533 845 8494

Have sent you a pm

If you call in Bar 33 have a word with Sandra or Eddie they had 2 fitted during there renovation.

Inverters are well worth installing, much cheaper to run than old style aircon, and they can be used to heat rooms in winter as well as cool them in summer.
We bought ours from Leroy Merlin in south Nicosia, then got someone we knew to install them. I'd suggest getting a price from there, and see if anyone in the north can match it.

We bought one from the man next to Ya Beles. A really nice man, can't remember the name of the shop, but he has garden furniture outside, and a friendly parrot inside,
The price he quoted was including fitting, and he didn't need to visit our house before we made our purchase.

Keithcaley wrote:Blomberg / Grundig - shop more or less opposite the end of the GAU road in Karaoğlanoğlu.
Reasonable price, wıll gıve you a dıscount for your old A/C unıts, and excellent service!

We used them too and they did a great job at a good price... they quoted a price including fitting and we live in Esentepe - no extra charge for distance.

TRNC Vaughan supplied ours and the lovely Velhi fitted it. Well worth the money. Much quieter and the cost of the unit has been recouped on the savings on the electricity bill. Ours is in our bedroom.

smiffies wrote:Have sent you a pm

Nothing received yet.
Try trncvaughan@mail.com

Apologies TRNC Vaughan but my post was a reply to the original posting - Gary & Shirley.

It sounds like your room is similar to ours we had a 24 btu inverter fitted in the Autumn by Toros we also have a normal aircon at the other end of the room. The manager of Toros was the only person who explained to me how an inverter worked & after describing our room he thought it would not be suitable as the space was too big he offered to send his engineer round to calculate our requirements as he thought we needed a floor standing 42 btu unit - as we do not have any exterior wall space to put one we declined.
Basically what he was saying was that it was not worth us paying the extra for an inverter unit as in our room it would struggle to gear up into inverter mode, thus not saving any electricity.
At the time Toros was the cheapest & we are pleased with our purchase.

if you contact eron on 05338374386 he is a great fitter and if he is taking out 24btu unit i will give him 400 tl witch will go to wards your cost sounds like a result it is tell him when you call Kirk told you so he knows

Like others we used the Grundig/Blomberg shop at the end of the GAU road. Terrific service and the workmen cleaned up both inside and outside, to perfection. We had a problem with one unit, they came the next day and we found it was our fault. Doh!! Wonderful, wonderful machines, cheaper to run, quicker, quieter and neater than the old type. We will be buying the largest one for our 36ft x 20ft lounge next winter as a result of having lovely warm bedrooms this winter. (they have the highest ceilings I have seen since moving here) For the first time it was a pleasure to go upstairs.

Thanks for all the replies, Grundig/Blomberg offer genuine Grundig units at a very good price including money back on old units, 24BTU: 4119TL, 12BTU: 2449TL.

We bought a Grundig 24btu inverter just before Christmas and it is excellent. Very quiet and efficient and cheap to run.

Had an Airfel inverter unit installed via TRNC Vaughan 18 months ago, Works extremely well on heating and cooling. Highly recommended.

Yup The Grundig shop.

Great service and superb aftersales service too.

Hi, we had two inverter units fitted during our renovation of Bar 33 @ The Old Mill in Ozankoy. They are absolutely amazing!! We are open every day from 1pm so pop in and have a look any time. Sandra and Eddie

Further to all the above, the case for heating by inverter heat-pump is as follows:
Gas cylinders.....Pay in advance, manhandling heavy cylinders, Condensation issues, fumes.
Portable Oil/paraffin heaters.... Pay in advance, handling smelly oil, fumes,
Logs.....Pay in advance, storage issues, quality of wood, quantity issues. dirty to handle, Smoke.
Electricity Heat pump - pay in arrears, delivered for free, no storage issues, clean consumption, no smoke, no fumes, no condensation.
Always assuming electrical power to be continuous.

@ sophie-you obviously had the 'tidy workmen'(or are friends of the owners)-I bought an aircon off them today and had to spend an hour cleaning up after them.
Not to mention the huge plastering job I have been left with.
Nice people to deal with but poor workmen from a tidy point of view.

I have to agree with Philoz, not the tidiest of workers, however 2 units ordered Tuesday morning, delivered and fitted Wednesday morning and a very good job they did.

'Sorry you were not happy with tidiness of workers. We have had washer machines, dish washers, cooker hobs, and extractor fans, all from the same place and the guys who brought them from Lefkosa were great. Yes we do by this time know the lady owner (Gul) but I don't think she has any say as to which of the work men from the Lefkosa depot, is working on any particular day in the Karaoglanoglu/Alsancak area.

It is a shame that an otherwise good business is let down by workmen not spending a few minutes cleaning up after themselves,the owner needs to get on the case as it is reflecting badly on her business,as I said in my previous post I was generally impressed,with the business.

We had one fitted yesterday by the shop next door to Ya Beles. The fitter has visited our villa many times to fit radiators, service the old air cons. and fit the invertor .
We are very happy, and they cleaned up after themselves.

We went to the Grundig shop and had some advise and a quote ...this included the discount shown in the catalogue which was for the old units. However we then had a price from Halos which (without any discount) was still cheaper than the discounted Grundig price. When we compared the brands there is very little between them and we know people who have had the Fuji Cool ones and are very happy so - Halos it is. . Order today and they will fit them Tues/Weds. Will post once the workmen have been !

Mind you we also had some very expensive quotes and much lower quotes - but for lower quality brands from other shops. The quotes were given in either Euro, Dollar or TL depending on which shop we were in. Cheapest is not always the best option when it comes to long lasting products (hopefully !!).

flowerfairy wrote:We had one fitted yesterday by the shop next door to Ya Beles. The fitter has visited our villa many times to fit radiators, service the old air cons. and fit the invertor .
We are very happy, and they cleaned up after themselves.

As there is more than one Ya Beles in the district it might be an idea if you give and clue as to which one and the name of the company you have used...

Having read the posts on this subject with interest I am considering changing one of my split aircon units in the bedroom to an inverter.

Would be interested to know what the guide price would be to remove old aircon unit which is in good working condition and replace with new inverter. The room size is approx 15' x 15' with standard height ceilings (7-8').

Also interested in views as to which brand are the best in terms of quality and value for money.

We supply and fit Airfel a/c units.
Assuming your bedroom to not be all glass windows, we would recommend a 12,000Btu unit, at a cost of 2315TL.
This price subject to survey and location.
We would de-commision the old unit and remove it for proper disposal.
Airfel is a subsidiary of Daikin, probably the best a/c company in the world.
0533 845 8494

Groucho,
as I previously mentioned I cannot remember the name of the shop,( much to my disgrace).

The Ya Beles I refer to is in Alsancak , my apologies.

I clocked the name this morning, it's Do Mart, hope this helps.

The term “I got it for a good price from XX or XY “ is to my opinion not very helpful in this discussion.
The brands Arcelik, Beko, Blomberg, Grundig (from which is only the brand name left…same as eg, Telefunken ("german" PV panels are on the market...) or AEG, all formerly german companies which went bancrupt, so much about “genuine Grundig”) are all owned by Arcelik AS, Turkey.
Daikin bought Airfel Turkey 2011.
Often the units from the subsidiaries are cheaper, because “something is different or missing”, often old or low tech is used.
Despite quality concerns, as eg, an a/c is noisier as others or can become noisier over the years, or gassing problems, please take in consideration that also inverter driven aircons have “energy labels”.
Eg, A, A+ or even A++ models.
A typical rating for the energy efficiency for cooling would be for COP (the "what i need to put in and what i get out" ratio) :
A label = 3,2 , A+ = 3,6 and A++ = 4
Note, that EER or SEER or HSPF (Heating Seasonal Performance Factor) are often used for marketing reasons , because they produce “high numbers” but are not very meaningful for practical use. Be also careful when it comes to A+++ ratings for a low price.
Meaning, an A++ units takes 25% less energy for cooling as an A label machine. For heating this applies accordingly.
The A+ or A++ label machines are a bit more expensive, but these sometimes only 300-500 lira will pay back soon and you usually get better quality as well.
So, I ask the forum members here… what company, which model you got for what price?
Everything else will not help, we only learn whether the workers cleaned up nicely afterwards or not.

The ones being fitted for me by Halos are Fuji Cool Inverter Oasis 12000BTU (seasonal cooling A++) 2350TL

kibsolar1999 wrote:The term “I got it for a good price from XX or XY “ is to my opinion not very helpful in this discussion.
The brands Arcelik, Beko, Blomberg, Grundig (from which is only the brand name left…same as eg, Telefunken ("german" PV panels are on the market...) or AEG, all formerly german companies which went bancrupt, so much about “genuine Grundig”) are all owned by Arcelik AS, Turkey.
Daikin bought Airfel Turkey 2011.
Often the units from the subsidiaries are cheaper, because “something is different or missing”, often old or low tech is used.
Despite quality concerns, as eg, an a/c is noisier as others or can become noisier over the years, or gassing problems, please take in consideration that also inverter driven aircons have “energy labels”.
Eg, A, A+ or even A++ models.
A typical rating for the energy efficiency for cooling would be for COP (the "what i need to put in and what i get out" ratio) :
A label = 3,2 , A+ = 3,6 and A++ = 4
Note, that EER or SEER or HSPF (Heating Seasonal Performance Factor) are often used for marketing reasons , because they produce “high numbers” but are not very meaningful for practical use. Be also careful when it comes to A+++ ratings for a low price.
Meaning, an A++ units takes 25% less energy for cooling as an A label machine. For heating this applies accordingly.
The A+ or A++ label machines are a bit more expensive, but these sometimes only 300-500 lira will pay back soon and you usually get better quality as well.
So, I ask the forum members here… what company, which model you got for what price?
Everything else will not help, we only learn whether the workers cleaned up nicely afterwards or not.

It's also worth asking what the maximum horizontal pipework distance between indoor and outdoor units is. Often it's only 3metres. You also need to take into account what the vertical separation distance is. Often it's only 1metre.
The cheaper the unit the less you get for your money.

So…. ifonly…
The ones being fitted for me by Halos are Fuji Cool Inverter Oasis 12000BTU (seasonal cooling A++) 2350TL
And?, did you make some research?...
When you look to Halos website your Oasis a/c even became an unbelievable A+++, unfortunately there is not a single datasheet for download available.
also unfortunately Fujicool has nothing to do with “Fuji”, as we know it, at all:
Fuji electric does not offer a/c, fujiair and fujitsu have no a/c wich is named “Oasis”
But chinese MIDEA may has or had...
Fujicool seem to be indian http://www.fujicool.com/ and the website is crap. Neither inverter models nor datasheets are available.. no wonder that halos hasnt one as well...
...and "they" (whoever) named the a/c, eg, oasis, that they have “something” to hand over to the customer, eg an old datasheet from another company with a new label on?

kibsolar - Many thanks for the info but it is all a bit above me I am afraid - I just want to be cool in summer and warm in winter and the other half wants the same with a cheaper running cost if possible. . The information in the Halos info pamphlet says that they are A++ Seasonal Cooling. The Grundig is also shown as A++ in the Grundig/Bloomburg shop brochure. I know a couple of people who had the Fuji ones installed last year 2016 and one in late 2015 for the heating and they have all been very pleased.
We have also had a Fujicool water dispenser for over 5 years and had no problems.
When we were in Goa (many times in the apartment) our AC units were also Fuji (not sure about Fuji cool but they were Fuji) and they were fine in all the time we were there over the years.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter who people ask for advise/recommendations there is always going to be for/against products/shops etc here. It may be easier if you are an expert and can sift through technical data etc but not all of us are.
I am sure there may be better and also that there may be worse models/makes. Thanks anyway.

Grundig, 12BTU, A++ old units removed and new fitted 2500tl.

It's also worth taking into account the fact that inverter units should be oversized rather than undersized if the inverter is to work properly. If the unit is too small, the compressor may run continuously and no benefit will be had from the inverter.
Beware of a/c installed by your builder/developer who may deliberately undersize in order to save money.

Hi ifonly,
despite the fact that the message from ozankoys » Sat 29 Apr 2017 2:09 pm (and Vaughan) is very much true, if an a/c unit is undersized or exactly properly sized, the a/c unit will never goto inverter mode and therefore does not save electricity, and the fact the a non inverter , but new unit most probably will make you also very happy, just because your old unit was not working properly any more...
iam a solar guy and always supported inverter driven a/c (as much as I support to install a solar system to cover the energy needs of the a/c units… and.. the lesser the energy needs for an a/c is, the smaller the solar system can be. So, you can save here as well… )

I personally also look for an a/c.. and this threat was just interesting me and I was , in a way, shocked how less info is supplied, both from forum members, and eg, on websites from shops or manufacturers which offer these units. So, I did ask for models and you have the only one who specified one. And it became sort of a " disaster".

when I search “Fuji Cool Inverter Oasis” then I get.. 1. halos website with an A+++ oasis model offered , 2. Fuji cools website under construction, 3. an oasis model, but not from fuji and not A+++.
No datasheet for a fujicool oasis model.
When i try to find the much supported grundig or blomberg a/c units, I can not see that they offer a/c units at all. Yes, white goods, toasters, sound systems and so on, but no a/c units.
Meaning: no datasheets.
So, whats going on here?
Just get something cheap from china/india and put a “whatsoever label” on it?
So, basically all forum members have the same a/c unit installed with different labels on it and nowhere you can find datasheets that nobody can find out?
Or, as it was said ifonly » Fri 05 May 2017 9:36 am “When we compared the brands there is very little between them...”
So, let me offer you a fujicool oasis or grundig or blomberg , as a A+++++++++ unit.
I supply you with a selfmade datasheet, you can not prove it anyway, I make you a good price and clean up afterwards?
Hmmm.
I know similar practices from our solar business: solar pumps from china are advertised as good as the ones from world market leaders, the (if at all) higher price is “only moneymaking”.
Solar panels from china are declared as “made in germany”, but when you look into the subject, they are “german quality” or a “german brand, whatever this means.
So, maybe it is worth it to search a bit around. Maybe an original Arcelik is the better choice, where you can download the datasheet? Or "original" Daikin?, which still have their own website to “differ” from the subsidiary Airfel (they have website and datasheets as well).

Hi kibsolar --- the man in Grundig shop told me we only needed a 900btu whereas all of the others said we should go up to the next one 1200btu as, they all explained, it was important not to have a unit that was too small for the room - Halos also explained, as you have done, that if it is too small then it would work constantly and struggle to go to inverter.
This are some sites that I found some info out (but I haven't spent lots of time on searching I admit) http://fujiair.com/residential.aspx and the ones that we have purchased looks exactly like 50Hz R22 - or http://tempex.bg/en/products/brand/fuji ... invertorni
I understand what you are saying about the brands here maybe not being "genuine" but as I explained we have had ones with the name Fuji on in Goa - so maybe they are Indian instead of Chinese !