Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

Are the talks over?? They most certainly are the all stars are back and the air sow is on . I suspect the GC already know though it's loud.

Yes, the fat lady has sung, apparently.

frontalman wrote:Yes, the fat lady has sung, apparently.

.... seems she could still be in the building lurking in her dressing room!


http://www.brecorder.com/2017/07/17/359 ... -un-talks/

Dalartokat wrote:

frontalman wrote:Yes, the fat lady has sung, apparently.

.... seems she could still be in the building lurking in her dressing room!


http://www.brecorder.com/2017/07/17/359 ... -un-talks/

He has just picked up a kebab takeaway and brought it back to share with his mates..........nothing to see here.

President Mustafa Akıncı will receive Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Çavuşoğlu on Tuesday evening. They will discuss the next steps following the breakdown of the Cyprus negotiations in Crans-Montana.

Also present at the working meeting will be Assembly Speaker Sibel Siber, Prime Minister Hussein Ozgurgun, Deputy Prime Minister Serdar Denktas, CTP Chairman Tufan Erhürman and TDP leader Cemal Özyiğit.

Reportedly, Ankara wants Turkish Cypriot voices to be united as regards their future.

There is speculation that following the meeting, Çavuşoğlu will announce a ‘plan B’ for North Cyprus.

DenizIsmail wrote:President Mustafa Akıncı will receive Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Çavuşoğlu on Tuesday evening. They will discuss the next steps following the breakdown of the Cyprus negotiations in Crans-Montana.

Also present at the working meeting will be Assembly Speaker Sibel Siber, Prime Minister Hussein Ozgurgun, Deputy Prime Minister Serdar Denktas, CTP Chairman Tufan Erhürman and TDP leader Cemal Özyiğit.

Reportedly, Ankara wants Turkish Cypriot voices to be united as regards their future.

There is speculation that following the meeting, Çavuşoğlu will announce a ‘plan B’ for North Cyprus.

About time!

Then plan C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z.

As John Lennon said, "Life is what happens while you are making other plans"

Extract from an article in today's Hurriyet Daily News, full article at:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ankara ... sCatID=412


"While the Greek Cypriot administration started to discuss the next moves after the collapse of the peace talks to unite the divided island, the Turkish government is also in a similar exercise.

The Foreign Ministry’s tendency appears to put an end to the Cyprus talks once and for all. The final decision will be taken by President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. However, if Erdoğan was to decide to totally end talks to find a permanent solution, the process to make it endorsed by Turkish Cyprus could prove problematic. While the Turkish Cypriot government of Prime Minister Hüseyin Özgürgün would have no problem in endorsing such a course of action, it would be difficult to convince Turkish Cypriot President Mustafa Akıncı.

The collapse of the talks in Crans-Montana under the auspices of the United Nations marked the end of a process seen as the most promising in generations to end the decades-old problem. The election of Nikos Anastasiades as president of Greek Cyprus had raised hopes for a solution as he was in favor of the Annan plan during the 2004 referendum. Despite the recent recovery, the condition of the Greek economy hit by the crisis was believed to offer another incentive for Greek Cypriots to be more willing for a compromised solution. Yet in the eyes of Ankara, even the most pro-solution leader has fallen short of delivering a deal based on compromise. That could be one of the reasons why Ankara tends to end the talks forever. After all, even if the most “pro-solution” leaders cannot deliver peace who else can.

On the other hand, the Turkish Foreign Ministry does not appear to be concerned about the possible repercussions of ending the peace process forever, called by the Turkish side as a “peaceful divorce.” In fact, this is the best time for ending an exercise that takes the sides nowhere, according to an official. With so many troublesome issues on the global and regional players’ plate, the assumption is probably that such a radical move by Ankara might not prompt a strong reaction.

The domestic political situation in Turkish Cyprus might also play a factor in Erdoğan’s decision. Özgürgün who is also the head of the National Unity Party has been a skeptical of the talks and won’t have a problem seeing the efforts for a solution end forever. However Akıncı, who is from a different party, has built his career on a solution. It would be very difficult to convince him. And in fact, when Turkish officials tried to sound out the idea with him, Akıncı was not enthusiastic at all.

At any rate, the course of action taken by the Turkish side might take shape in a few days as July 20, the anniversary of Turkey’s intervention in the island, approaches."

Just out of interest the following is a comment taken from the Cyprus Mail:
http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/07/18/natio ... -greek-fm/

''Yesterday, leaders of the parliamentary political parties, comprising the National Council, put forward their proposals and the Government Spokesman Nicos Christodoulides said that a productive discussion took place and the President is pleased with the outcome.''

Yes, we are sure that the ''president'' (the mukhtar in realistic terms) of this basket case was no doubt ''pleased'' with the outcome.
After all, since his expedient and radical transformation from the politician that said yes in 2004 to the spineless, power mad coward and neo-ultra nationalist at Mont Pellerin initially and at Crans Montana recently where he even outdid Tassos in bloody mindedness, intransigence and rejectionism by going beyond the 1960 constitution with respect to security guarantees, no doubt was VERY pleased to be among his newly found fellow kindred rejectionist spirits such as little Papadopoulos, Sizopoulos, Theocharous, Lillikas, Perdikis and the rest of the miserable bunch.
And to hear the utter cr*p from them about ''new strategy'', a solution away from a federation, a unitary state and every other unrealistic garbage that their sick minds can dream up.

With part 2 of this meeting of the insignificant and irrelevant grouping of the ignorant, the gangsters and populists to continue today, starring the Michelin Man,the foreign minister of that other basket case, the Hellenic Republic. So that he may impart his rejectionism, pseudo patriotism and unrealistic and non-pragmatic thoughts on his fawning and servile audience.

Expect new ''demands'' to be placed on the table. Something along the lines that Turkey must remove ALL its troops and waive the 1960 security guarantees. Not on DAY 1 of a ''solution'' but BEFORE a referendum is even held. In order to show ''good faith'' since after all. Erdogan and the nasty Turks cannot be trusted. And while we are at it, perhaps we should also ask for Kyrenia and to also demand that the ultra nationalists of DISY, ELAM, DIKO, EDEK and the rest to be allowed to pelt the departing Turkish troops with rotten eggs, tomatoes and maybe even some stones too in order to restore our national ''pride'' after so many years of Turkish ''occupation''.

This is how farcical, surreal and joke of a country this is. Which seems to live on another planet, totally removed from reality and even the slightest desire to see things as they are and to compromise in order to move forward and enter the real world order."

Thanks for that ttoli. Really interesting.

Laura B wrote:Thanks for that ttoli. Really interesting.

Seconded (thank you ttoli , very interesting).

There is hope for the future of this beautiful island x

I would love to know how those same six people feel about things now that a further six years has passed since they first got together.

Yes I thought the same thing waddo. Where are they now?

Thanks ttoli very interesting, still watching it.

Regarding the point where Turkish Cypriots signed to unite with Greece, I had heard that this was done under watch of EOKA supporters. If anyone had signed against ENOSIS, then they knew that they would be targeted. It was not a private ballot, one had to vote in public under watch. Hence, the reason why many GC's and TC's had voted YES to ENOSIS at the time.

Soner wrote:Thanks ttoli very interesting, still watching it.

Regarding the point where Turkish Cypriots signed to unite with Greece, I had heard that this was done under watch of EOKA supporters. If anyone had signed against ENOSIS, then they knew that they would be targeted. It was not a private ballot, one had to vote in public under watch. Hence, the reason why many GC's and TC's had voted YES to ENOSIS at the time.

That sounded a bit suspect to me too, Soner. My understanding is that the vote was conducted under the auspices of the Greek Orthodox Church. I believe I read that on the Cyprus Mail forum.

Eoka b and the Orthodox Church pretty closely tied anyway weren't they?