Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

Has the US President has anounced a move of the US consulate to Jerusalem because" we must accept the reality on the ground" can we expect Mr Acinci to dispatch his best lobbiest to Washington.?

What was Trump the Twit said? something like., " A capital city cannot be divided" Someone should remind him that Jerusalem was the Capital of Palestine, well over 2,000 years ago.

Trump clearly made it obvious that the US is far from neutral in their position as a peace negotiator. Just a hint of that in his words when saying "Israel and the Palestinians" rather than "Israel and Palestine"... the second recognising Palestine. Not going to happen with the US in bed with the zionist Israel.

As far as Cyprus is concerned, I doubt if the US would declare anything of the similar sort...if any state took that measure I think it would be Turkey. I'd be more concerned with the cozy alliance between Israel and the Greek portion of Cyprus. 1.There are vast natural gas resources beneath the sea around Cyprus that they want, and 2. Cyprus is right on the route across the Mediterranean where they plan to move the gas reserves that will be extracted from the SE region of the sea off the coastlines of Israel, Gaza and Egypt - through to the European market. Nothing motivates them as much as money. JMO

I take your point about the wording kayc and it is a parallel with that used about the TRNC, But do you think Trump is actually capable of such sophisticated wording? My impression is that it is of the bull in a China shop school! Sorry to insult your President, kayc , but the man is getting to worry me - is he really trying to start WW3?

On your second para, things seem to have been quiet about the oil recently, I am wondering why. As far as money motivation is concerned , with which I entirely agree, is it not a fact that the large amounts of Greek money in the US and therefore influence, have from the beginning a factor in the continued failures to solve "the Cyprus Problem"

Not offended at all Robin.... I'm still aghast he was actually elected. Never in my wildest dreams did I think he'd actually have a chance at the presidency. I realised American's were fed up with their government (one of the very reasons I left), but never did I think Trump had a chance. I do agree, he's hell-bent on starting WW3. He's in way over his head! I can't stomach to watch his speeches, all the tiny hand movements, etc. Ugh.

I don't know about Greece's investment in America, but I do know the zionists have control of the big banks and corps. I was under the assumption that Greece was in dire straights financially and the only way out is to sell of their ports, and a major portion of their infrastructure, and plead with the EU for more loans. What a mess! Erdogan was in Greece today to discuss a number of issues, including more harmonious trade and economic growth. I would like to see them get along , they may end up needing each other if another war breaks out.

Yes kayce I get the impression a lot of Americans share your views. I have a "pen friend" who was absolutely devastated when he was elected . Makes me feel our British elected idiots are at least slightly less dangerous!

I think what I meant is that there are a lot of wealthy Americans of Greek extraction and with Greek sympathies who are in a position to ........err.............influence US foreign policy.. There is a story from the 60s that the then US President when told "There is a Greek waiting to see you about Cyprus" said "Is the Greek bearing gifts?"

Interesting thought that in the event of a full scale Middle Eastern conflligration there might be a Turko-Greek pact. We do indeed live in interesting times.

At the risk of stirring the pot, isn't the Jewish influence twisting Trumps tail to get him to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. May be the hope is to ignite a war which will sort out the mess left by the Axis powers after WW11.
I await being described as anti- Semitic as apparently any criticism of Israel is regarded as such.

what you may be cambridge is a realist! I agree that mostof the problems in the Middle East are largely the result of the mess left by the Axis power after WW2 but someone should tell Trump that starting WW3 is not the right answer! You do not put out a fire by pouring petrol on it!

Agreed RR . But who can tell any country with a president what they should do. Unfortunately it takes a lot do undo decrees made by a President unless they go beyond certain boundaries. In this case it appears his decision is final.
A final point, whether you like Trump or not he was elected as President, possibly because his opponent was wholly corrupt, and was recognised as such. Had the Democrats found somebody else. Who knows.

I honestly believe they (the congress, senate, and the presidents of America) are all licking out of the same pot of corruption. The dems are typically liberal, but I won't for a moment put Hillary in that category. The only other hopeful candidate from that party was neutralized early on - Sanders.

I'm one who believes that 9/11 was an inside job, that the US funded ISIS, created the war in Syria... and I could go on and on. Fact is the zionists have entrenched themselves in America...in all of the major banks, and corporations. The monstrous funds that are allocated to israel 3 BILLION ANNUALLY "to protect itself from a rough neighbourhood" is something the american people NEVER had a say so about. Aside from that huge expenditure, the US is actively interfering in so many nation's sovereignty, and routinely "looks the other way" when some of it's allies engage in inhumane acts (Saudi for example). It's hypocritical to the maximum.

As for the Brits, you've got your own bees nest of troubles - but to me it seems there are several worthy politicians at work there, and the people seem to be more willing to voice their distain as compared to America. There, people are scared to death of losing their lifestyles - which they are by the masses with the middle class evaporating, less opportunities for gainful employment, educational costs are through the roof, and healthcare costs are enough to make one truly ill. Combined with rampant racism, a nationwide drug (and alcohol) problem, crumbling infrastructure and lastly the 1% who will benefit the most (again) from the new Republican tax reform.....it's not a nice place to call home!

Its my opinion there are 3 tails wagging the Trump dog. (1) the far right conservative/Christian fundamentalists (2) The Jewish lobby (in their millions both in number and financial terms) (3) the far right gun lobby, once again in their millions.

Off topic I know but relevant to that moron in the White House- The largest lobby of people in the US after the Jewish one, is the Greek one. If what I have been reading on websites is correct, the Turkish lobby is way, way down the list.

Sophie; I am suprised at you! I have three little dogs here who want me to express their distress as your comparison of THAT MAN with a good honest animal!!!!

Seriously Kayce is the report I read yesterday correct. Ie that these new tax "reforms" trumpeted (sorry about that, pun unintentional) as benefiting poorer sections of society will in fact be of greater benefit to the man himself. I gathered that even though his enterprises might have lost a little on the swings, he has ggained a lot moor on the roudaouts.

The USA has always aligned itself with Israel. The military, intellectual, financial and democratic strength of Israel makes it the obvious ally and partner in the volatile middle east. Mr Trump, always the entrepreneur has hedged his bets that Israel will continue with its expansionist strategy at the cost of lesser and weaker alternatives.
Furthermore; the USA/Israel blood links have always provided to support Israel and its true aspirations both directly and indirectly. This has long been the case but it is the remainder of the world that does not accept or support the expansionist strategy. Unfortunately none are willing or able to stand up directly against the USA and like the Cyprus problem is not in the home backyard.

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Seriously Kayce is the report I read yesterday correct. Ie that these new tax "reforms" trumpeted (sorry about that, pun unintentional) as benefiting poorer sections of society will in fact be of greater benefit to the man himself. I gathered that even though his enterprises might have lost a little on the swings, he has ggained a lot moor on the roudaouts.[/quote]

Absolutely Robin, you are correct. It's the 1% that will benefit from this tax reform - based on the theory that "trickle down" works... which we've previously experienced and know it DOES NOT. The rich get richer.

Along with that, social programs have been deeply cut, as well as funding for the arts and humanities. Next they plan to "adjust" the medicare, and medicaid system that provides health care for the impoverished and the elderly. Deep cuts. And after that, changes to Social Security as I've read. That will raise the hackles of the older retired people who are already strained to live on their monthly benefits. But what can they do? They aren't a segment of society that will protest or revolt. Only their votes can make a difference, and at this point how valid is the vote?

Trumps travel ban is racist, as is his plan to build a wall across the southern border. BTW... who's been contracted to put up this wall? None other than an Israeli company!

Reverting to the original post::: Mr Netanyahu has said that "Peace is based on recognising reality". I am not commenting on that conflict, but why oh why cannot the TRNC get some recognition of reality ? Sauce for the goose?