Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

This lady could possibly lead the way in helping others in similar situations.
It’s worth a small donation of help to help it on its way.

https://www.gofundme.com/paulines-echr- ... nst-turkey

I have heard of so many sad stories due to the corruption in NC, I still love the place & help the animals but have made an exception in this case & made a donation for Pauline.

Does anyone know where "her" villa is.......

She was part of the kuliksiz development in Karsiyaka but opted to go her own way

Haven't the people on this site now got their selves sorted with court cases etc? Haven't they got their homes back?
Just dont understand how any one can expect every one to just keep funding things that go wrong in other countries.
Sorry to sound so negative, but these things happen in GB , Spain and many other countries ... Sad but true ..

Well, as long as you're all right, I suppose that's all that matters.

You don't know that Keith,

geroff wrote:You don't know that Keith,

Well, if that isn't the case, then I can't see you mustering much sympathy or support with your attitude!

I do sincerely hope that you don't suffer from the same problems - I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy...

So nobody can have a different opinion on posts? Is that what you are saying? Maybe some of us have fought big battles, maybe some of us do help, but then maybe some of us are more private ...

geroff wrote:...maybe some of us do help...

Really? ...

...Just dont understand how any one can expect every one to just keep funding things that go wrong in other countries...

... doesn't sound like it! I can understand someone wanting to be 'private' about their 'good works', but decrying the basic Human desire to help others in need implies a total lack of concern for the plight of others.

Perhaps your message lost some of its meaning and/or intent between inception and computer screen

In any event, I have no intention of denying you your right to express your opinion, whatever it is, (even if I had that power, which I don't) but I do reserve the right to challenge it - that is the nature of a Public Forum.

Please don't misinterpret a contrary opinion or a critical response to your post as a personal attack or an implication that you do not have the right to air your views, but equally, don't post on a Forum in the expectation that everyone will automatically agree with you!

I would just add that there are other cases pending, potentially affecting many more expat buyers in TRNC, and the action in question could set a precedent and impact on the future of others in the same situation.

I would recommend that everyone follows Cally's example, and helps to fund the action in the ECHR

Keith it was you basically having a go because I commented on people wanting funding for different issues ...

You also are trying to make out I dont care about others, your words not mine... So maybe we shall differ to differ, your post saying 'don't expect ever one to agree with you' when posting on this forum! ... I wasnt expecting any agreement, it was just a statement from myself , so please wind your neck in ... ...

Back to the issue, geroff no this issue is not resolved on k5. The latest appeal ruled that akfinans were wrong to auction the properties concerned and reverted the site back to 2008 position. The buyers still, as far as I am aware, do not know if akfinans are appealing further but whatever the buyers have not got their kocans and given the history of this corrupt country it will be years or never and will no doubt cost them many thousands more!

As for Pauline Reed for some reasons that are obscure at best she was excluded from the judgment and under the ruling will not get her property back, hence her appeal to ECHR. So she has not gone off on her own, she has been forced to take that route.

geroff wrote:... I commented on people wanting funding for different issues ...

Different issues? - This thread is about offering support for Pauline Read in her fight against the injustice she has suffered at the hands of an allegedly corrupt TRNC Bank. - An issue that has affected many people so far, and looks set to affect many others in the future.

geroff wrote:...please wind your neck in ... ...

Would I be wrong in thinking that you really don't like people challenging your opinions?

Cheers Cyprus is home..

Keith, as I said wind your neck in cos I couldnt care less if you agree with me or not , my opinion , your opinion , so what.

geroff wrote:... I couldnt care less if you agree with me or not...

Well, that's alright then!

Have a nice day

Come on children play nice!

I would imagine all reading this forum has either been a victim of some sort of serious property issue or knows of someone who has.
The way I look at supporting this lady in order to help her reach her goal, which could help many other people with serious property issues in North Cyprus.

So let’s all look st the bigger picture here. The result of this lady getting any positive outcome could in effect help any one who has been touched by present serious property issues such as what she has gone through
Not forgetting any future political happenings that might affect a majority of all property buyers in North Cyprus in a detrimental way.

So come on folks donate just a small donation bearing in mind the outcome could help so many property owners.
Cheers for listening

Just a thought....
Would it not be much more effective if people stopped buying property when they know (or should know if they’ve done ANY research) that the situation here in that regard (and, indeed, in other countries) is fraught with pitfalls?
As someone once said, it appears that some people leave their brains/common sense behind when they leave Stanstead/wherever.
Of course that doesn’t help those who did this years ago.

Pauline has an history of upsetting people-sacking her solicitors, generally running down the TRNC ,it’s legal system and getting banned from public forums.And please remember there are many happy home buyers in the TRNC who have had a trouble free experience.

I for one will not financially support anyone who constantly warns people “not to buy in the TRNC” but at the same time has the cheek to put out an appeal to those living in the TRNC to help her.

Initially I was one of her supporters but eventually realised her “aggressive approach and constant condemnation of the TRNC was not the way forward.To this day she still continues with this tactic.

.It’s a question of getting the right balance and working with the legal system rather than against it.

Art, you appear to have been lucky in your case unlike many I know. However, have you got your kocans? Is your site now free of ALL encumbrances?

I can assure you it wasn’t by luck that we won our case,,have a full Kochan and was paid adequate compensation on the day prior to our case being settled.

And we didn’t have to go to full trial.

I’ve mentioned before that 80% of cases are settled out of court and rarely do you get to hear about these.

Just loads of bad news full of anti TRNC propaganda.

If you received money and a full kocans you were lucky! We stood no chance of achieving anything except reducing our savings drastically by taking legal action. That was both legal advice and by working for several years with the late Marion Stokes. So my experience and that of many others will continue to offer negative advice to future buyers.

Lucky.......I think not

Our uk developer was in breach of contract and working to a strategy with our legal team we won our case.

I’m not saying it was easy because it wasn’t but we persevered and despite all of the negativity and the doubters we succeeded.....nothing to do with luck but I understand the way you must feel and I hope eventually it all works out for you.


As a side issue I respect those wishing to support Pauline with a donation but given the current political climate and what’s going on in Turkry I don’t think it’s wise to have your name published on her appeal site...best to keep anonymous.

Just my view of course.

I think I had been here about three months when I decided that someone had placed a large stamp on my forehead saying "Brit. idiot. Please cheat"!
Nonetheless, I have lost more by way of property and investment as a result of malpractice by my fellow Brits than Cypriots!

I wonder how people can forget that this is an Island where most of the population have lost, or had to abandon, their homes within living memory, in most cases through no fault of their own.

Thousands of people all over the world have lost or been forced to abandon their homes, through war, genocide, malpractice, irresponsible and ill-considered development etc. etc. etc. Few have any recourse in law. These who have discovered that the legal process is stressful, time-consuming and far from certain (I speak from experience in the UK). Many in the TRNC have suffered as a result of lack of understanding of the country they chose to live in and its quirky legal system. Most of us have bitten the bullet, kept a stiff upper lip (and other Brits sayings) and struggled to rebuild our lives despite the losses.

Can anyone please explain to me why among all the very needy cases this particularly lady deserves our money and support and , as Art has so rightly pointed out to, put ourselves at political risk

Rarely do I agree with you but on this occasion you are absolutely spot on.

I also share your experience concerning being ripped off by Brits especially those who use you to benefit themselves.

With their devious ways they have cost me more money than any solicitor.

Yes spot on RR, plus I for one wont be made to feel guilty because I choose not to throw my money at some thing I dont think is a wise move! .. Plus I did think KC was targeting myself re bullying, so thats why I said the things I did...

As things go wrong any where in the world, and myself have had to fight my corner on occasions , fighting our government which wasnt easy but have never ever held out the begging bowl so to speak.

It is also very foolish to have your name plastered all over the internet regarding taking on Turkey, but then thats just my opinion. Nobody wishes any one to endure such stress, but again it happens ....

I love North Cyprus and its people, maybe the advocates are not up to scratch but neither are a lot of currupt solicitors in GB!
Every one should be allowed to make up their own mind IF they want to support or comment on a forum, so long as its not derogative to others ..

Interestingly,I think it’s also fair to say “the criminal legal system would appear to be less lenient than that of the UK.Stiffer sentences being handed out and I can’t see any offenders having an easy time in a local prison.Particually impressed with the way they deal with drug related crime.

On the other hand we won’t mention driving offenses.!