Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

I recently viewed this documentary, and feel it vital to share for the benefit of everyone concerned about what we are putting on our crops, and in our water and what impact these chemicals have upon our health, Big US companies like Monsanto, Dow Chemical and their development of modern pesticides from chemicals that were initially developed for use in warfare. Shocking to put it frankly!

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/

Just google Monsanto vs Avaaz........

Kayc - you might find this interview interesting from 2012. This has become more and more relevant daily as we are constantly being exposed to the transgender agenda...

Quote: Dr. Curtis Duncan is a holistic health expert, herbalist and avid researcher. He will discuss the feminization of males and the chemicals that are behind the reason why testosterone levels have been declining, impotence, dropped sperm counts, smaller penises, genital birth defects, autism, ADHD, cancer, low libido and more. These chemicals also have gender bending effects and cause men to act and behave like women and women to act and behave like men, even altering sexual preference. We’ll also discuss the estrogen mimicking chemicals that are behind female infertility, miscarriages, cancer and more. Curtis talks about the endocrine system, endocrine disrupting chemicals, the companies and people behind gender bending chemicals, chemical effects on sexuality and the conspiracy behind it all....endquote

https://redice.tv/radio-3fourteen/the-c ... ze-females

Thank you for that link. I'll check it out. No doubt those chemicals impact our reproductive health as well as increased cancers, auto immune illnesses and more.

You've probably seen stories and photos of unusual cloud formations - criss crossing in the sky in America. I DO NOT SEE them here. But, there... they are VERY real. I do not know what they are spraying, but it's REAL.

Kayc - one of the reasons I moved here from the UK was to get away from the Chemtrails... Info for you here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfJO0-cTis

Mr Davidson,
I think that you would have to extremely gullible to believe this nonsense. The Youtube clips are all from North America and our cousins from accross the pond have a record of being hysterical about such things.
Medjoul

Medjoul - Thank you for your personal appraisal and critique. However, I cannot offer you the same service as I do not know you or how much research you have done or what your motivations are. I think Kayc will be able to use her own discernment and as such I posted the links for her. Actually it would have been more interesting if you had watched the links and then offered debate around the points and interviews made in these including counter sources of information as challenge and probably more informative for those interested. It matters not what I think as people can make up their own mind having considered the material. Is Kayc a cousin from across the pond...or am I for that matter? I wish you well.

I question everything I see and try to apply the Carl Sagan "baloney test" to rule out fake information/conspiracy theorists. A friend who has served a lifetime in the military gave me his opinion on the chemtrails - he said they are due to a new mixture of jet fuels. I even question that. So far, I haven't seen chemtrails here in Cyprus - and am thankful for that.

In the end, all I know is the odd looking cloud formations not seen before and patterns left from the jets are DIFFERENT than I've ever seen in my life (and I've been around more than 50 years )

As for the chemicals that are put on our soil, our crops, and in many of the products we use are poisons. That's been proven, and should be a concern for everyone. Best advice - buy local and organic if you can find it.

kayc,

There seems to have been a lot of debate in the (recent) past in the South of Cyprus about 'chemtrails' - you can read some of the bits that have been written in the South Cyprus Mail here

My own feeling is that it is a lot of hysteria whipped up by paranoid conspiracy-theorists, inflamed and encouraged by their pals 'across the pond'.

But what do I know?

Correct Keith - its all down to perspective, personal research and what resonates. The main thing is that people are allowed to debate the topic - the person is irrelevant - people have an absolute right to their own beliefs and I fully support freedom of thought and speech

Of course, all antibiotics are actually poisons......

Hello kayc I watched the program, it was very interesting and informative. It is good to see now that many of the places shown effected are going organic now, it will be some time before they can get back to normal way of life growing the old and traditional ways, and also it will take a long time for there health problems to get to a normal and stable again. We here in Cyprus are eating affected food stuffs, veg etc due to the chemicals and fertilisers used here in the agricultural business. The government labs were burnt down some time ago I don't know if it is up and running again so none of the fruit or veg grown here or imported were tested. We just had to eat it. Well it looked good. Last year the south Cyprus had high levels of insecticide in the grape production was so bad could not be sold or even be used for wine. So what is the state of our side s crop production I wonder. I could go on and on but no one listens and they don't care as long as they can get it for cheap people don't care. I am happy that there are people like you that care enough to post informative information, thank you

Thank you. I'm pleased another found the information informative and useful. I personally believe these chemicals in our foods, and on our croplands, and in the products we purchase have more of a longterm impact than we can imagine.

I'm going to share another link. In my region in the USA, a company started - primarily due to one man's similar concern. It's become largely successful over the years. I realize there are chemicals in use here, and in south Cyprus. And I know that many others are concerned about the same effects on our health and that of our lands. I wish something similar to this program would be implemented here in Cyprus. We have such an extensive growing season (seasons actually) and such a bountiful array of foods we can grow. It's a cooperative effort. Everyone has an impact and benefits the people as a whole.

Here is that link. https://www.organicvalley.coop/why-orga ... e-history/

Mr Davidson,
I don't have a motive! In a previous life I have been fortunate to have been a Farm manager and later an Agronomist for a Farmers Co-Operative where I advised Farmers growing a wide variety of crops on all aspects eg. weed control, disease prevention, pests etc, etc. I was qualified under the Briitish Agrochemical Standards Inspectorate scheme to advise on the use of Agrochemicals.
As to the video, it must be aproached with an open mind largely because the content cannot be verified and the viewr will find that the producers have an axe to grind in that they are promoting their "blogs" or part of some lobbying group which are both rife and influential in the states. For example I give you the Anti Dairy Lobby which was very active in the nineties and earlier this century and part of their scaremongering was that drinking milk gave you phlegm. they even had a cartoon character!
The videos impress the viewer with emotive language eg" the Costa Rican banana growers practically bathed in the stuff" and Tell us about the disaperance of the wildlife in the Cashew fields. Scary stuff if true but can it be verified and was it down to the chemical or monoculture? The pesticides in themselves are only as dangerous as a firearm or a motor car. The real danger and where pesticides are harmful, some extremely is in the pursuit of profit. We live in an age of globalisation and Agribusiness is huge (hence the term Banana Republic). Many growers in places like India will rent land and are sometimes encouraged by their governments to grow cash crops that have a value on the International market for the foreign curency they attract, Palm Oil is an obvious example. In these less regulated places with the pressures to increase yield I have no doubt that corners are cut and the manufacturers safety guidelines are sometimes ignored with the consequences for the workforce and the environment, not the government, the landowner or the huge Agribusinesses eg Cargills. I wash all my fruit and veg as soon as practically possible because I shudder to think about the aproach to safety, dose limits, harvest intervals etc in a country where anti biotics (and prozac) are freely available over the counter and safety concerns from building sites to motoring are treated so casually.
Chem trails? Lets just think this through seriously step by step.
First it would take the collusion of all the governments in all the world to enable this. Has this ever happened?
It would involve all the Airlines from all the countries of the world to agree and to hide it from, well everybody else.
It would mean all the Pilots, all the Hostesses(and hosts) and all the Groundstaff and all the Airport staff and management and shareholders etc being "in on it".
it would mean the transportation of vast volumes of material and all that entails, hauliers, insurance companies etc.
So after all that the next flight I take, which should be in the near future I shall look out of the Aeroplane window and note the loading of the passengers, the baggage, the food, the water, the freight, the fuel and observe where the chemicals are placed and also the means of dispersing them from a pressurised body.
Oh and I almost forgot that its easy with a tablet or laptop to identify each aeroplane/flight so in the instance that an unusual cloud formation is observed following the inbound from Malaga to London Heathrow, the Civil Aviation Authority can be immediately notified.
Best regards,
Medjoul
P.S Take extra care washing your Mushrooms and this is not meant as a sleight on the local growers and I am not suggesting that they are not following the guidelines but Mushroom growers use a lot of "Pesticides". Its the nature of the beast I'm afraid as the spoor beds have to be steralised prior to loading with the appropriate spoor and all flies must be completely eliminated or the Mushrooms will be "spotted" or stained or worst case scenario be infestd with eggs or maggots.

Medjoul - The Deep State from the research I have done and globalisation in answer to your question about collusion. Why would the airline staff on the ground need to be in on it if it is an additive to the fuel? There is other research out there not just the links I posted and upon doing research and study over the last 10 years. Listening to whistleblowers e.g. here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHm0XhtDyZA who were private pilots on plans telling their own stories etc. - my view is that it started with cloud seeding and it progressed to this. Also neurosurgeon here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKtDRZl5b5U I am aware of all that you list above. I have looked at a lot of information on the Geoengineering Watch website and other research I have done including reading and videos - my conclusion is that chemtrailing is real for various reasons, depending on who is looking from cooling the planet to changing the ecosphere etc and to test the public's exposure to various chemicals etc. and more sinister morgellons. Now you have based your opinion upon your experience and drawn another conclusion. I respect you for that and it is your right to hold your view. I am puzzled why you need to frame your previous comment as an attack on me personally and my view rather than critiquing the information as you have done above - i.e. that 'you are extremely gullible to believe this nonsense'. I have the opposite view to you but refuse to deride you for your opinion thats not what humanity is about - as I said early I fully support free thought and free speech no matter how unpalatable that might be to others. Thank you for explaining your view.

Last year there was a strange blue colour afids bugs on my almond tree and was spreading to other trees. I was unsure what to use. So I took photos of the bugs and took photos of the insecticides that I had and went down to the farmers coop they looked at the bugs and what insecticides I had and were alarmed at one of them. They asked where did I buy it from I told them from them a few years back and asked why, they said it was a banned substance and I should bring it to them to be disposed of. I asked if it is so dangerous why was it sold, because at the time they did not know that it was dangerous to health and environment. I have also noticed that every year that these insecticides change by name and compound. So it just goes to show you we really do not know what is going on behind our backs and what is being used to protect crops,veg and trees.

I too am concerned at the use of banned pesticides. The TRNC does seem to use some older pesticides that have been removed from the UK pesticides list? Or it may be that I have seen the old spray cans or plastic containers lying around. In UK we would have to dispose of the containers safely after washing them out. We also have to record all sprays and seed treatments used on crops in the UK together with dates and weather at time of application. Let alone where we bought them from and prove we have the crops to spray sometimes." Traceability " is what it goes under. Imagine milk from one farm being used in Manchester or potatoes and how a whole housing area could be affected? Yes the farmer could end up in prison or ?
The other side to this is it is doubtful we could feed the world without some control of insects such as locusts, mosquitos or parasites without pesticides and chemicals.
Every year more EU restrictions come in removing some pesticides and chemical applications, but also some new ones are passed for use. This is similar to human drugs, they come and some are removed due to their side effects.
Nature is being used to combat some pests and a new or existing species is being bred artificially and released to eat an insect. The problem here is the new species then takes over quite often and itself becomes a pest!