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Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 6:59 am
by johnerebus
You may gave recently seen or heard about two mothers, one who travelled to Holland with her extremely ill son to get his supply of medical cannabis which completely prevented his daily numerous seizure attacks. The other mother appeared on TV telling us that she gave her terminally ill son cannabis - illegally of course - and from being terminally ill and given 3 to 7 days to live he has made a full recovery.

In the UK cannabis is still a Class A drug

And yet, and yet, Paul Kenward, Husband Of Victoria Atkins MP Who Is The UK Drugs Minister grows Cannabis for a living.

Mr Kenward is managing director of British Sugar which grows cannabis under contract to GW Pharmaceuticals at its 45 acre greenhouse in Wissington, Norfolk. As confirmed by British Sugar, the cannabis is for production of Epidiolex, GW’s epilepsy medicine which is understood to be 98% cannabidiol (CBD).

And yet, and yet, the UK government, say they have "consistently refused to allow medical cannabis in the UK on the basis that it has 'no therapeutic value'".

Is all that we see or seem but a dream within a dream?

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 7:43 am
by Agobard
CBD oil is widely available in the UK and is not apparently illegal. Google it and you will find numerous suppliers in UK.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 8:34 am
by fatouche
Cannabis is a class B drug, and I believe that cannabis oil is now available in Holland and Barrett.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 8:51 am
by johnerebus
Legal Status

Cannabis is Class B (but Class A penalties can apply to Cannabis oil.) The CBD content of cannabis oil sold in H & B is extremely low. It can also be bought on Amazon. CBD is the non psychoactive part of the cannabis plant. THC is the part that gives a high.
Interestingly 9 US states have legalised cannabis for medicinal or recreational purposes. Australia has boasted it will overtake the UK and become the World's largest exporter. Canada legalises personal use of cannabis this year. Cannabis was legalised in Portugal in 2002 and along with other drug schemes has seen a remarkable decline in all recreational drug use.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 2:59 pm
by cyprusgaz
I have contacted Holland and Barrett store Nicosia and they do not sell it in Cyprus. I was intended in bringing some from the UK on my next trip but thought I had better check with Customs first. The reply came from a Pharmacist at the

Inspectorate Department
Pharmaceutical Services
Republic of Cyprus
http://www.moh.gov.cy/phs
++357 22 608 672

CBD is classified as a medicine. As it does not contain THC it is not a narcotic or psychotropic substance an so a permit is not required. However in order to ensure that you have no problems wit the customs, it would be prudent to carry a letter from your doctor stating that you use CBD oil for a medical condition.

Strangely enough I put a thread on about this some weeks ago only to have it locked almost immediately without the basic courtesy of any message explaining why. Good manners cost nowt!!

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 3:07 pm
by sophie
Cannabis not a narcotic or psychotropic substance"!! Well all I can say they must have "watered it down" since the 60"s. Tell that to people who have slowly but surely moved up (or is it down) to cocaine and then the real killers.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 7:21 pm
by johnerebus
Cannabis not a narcotic or psychotropic substance"!! Well all I can say they must have "watered it down" since the 60"s. Tell that to people who have slowly but surely moved up (or is it down) to cocaine and then the real killers.

Hi Sophie, I'd like to ask where you got the evidence for you statement?

The CBD (Cannabis Oil) oil that is sold in the UK on Amazon and by other sellers is legal and is used by many for pain relief and the alleviation of many other symptoms of chronic diseases. Although dismissing the medical effectiveness of cannabis the UK is the World's largest exporter of medicinal cannabis.

While THC is known to get you “high”, CBD is valued for its non-psychoactive medical benefits. and then, if you'd like to learn more about the medical value of CBD please Google The Human Endocannabinoid System.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 7:59 pm
by Mr Davidson
Cannabis is nature's medicine and quote: What you might not realize, however, is that this remarkable attribute of weed stems from the fact that the human body actually produces its own "endogenous" cannabinoids (chemicals otherwise unique to the cannabis plant). ...endquote and link here: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bnp4 ... nnabinoids

It used to appear in many tinctures and I remember having an old bottle for tooth ache remedy ridged sides, brown bottle and edwardian label clearing showing cannabis content. It was vilified because we could grow it naturally, it is a miracle cure and pain reliever for many ailments and would threaten the pharmaceutical industry's chemical cures. Even now Big Pharma are considering a GMO version and have campaigned to stop it being legalised outside of their financial control.

Skunk is a hybridised version which can by psychologically harmful and much stronger than cannabis in its original form. No one has died from cannabis - wonder how many have from alcohol?

I also wondered why the posting before disappeared as someone mentioned above without any explanation.

Lastly did you know they are now considering legalisation of magic mushrooms - there have been great leaps and bounds in research using these for depression and also in preparation for end of life scenarios without fear? https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/03/le ... rooms.html

Having worked with chronic heroin users and recreational drug users.. Cannabis is not a gateway drug....http://reset.me/story/the-science-is-cl ... eway-drug/

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Sun 11 Mar 2018 9:45 pm
by jofra
Just a few random examples of "not what you use, it's how/why you use it..."
Under the generic name diamorphine, heroin is prescribed as a strong pain medication in the United Kingdom....
LSD, short for lysergic acid diethylamide, got its start in a psychiatric research lab in Switzerland in 1938....
Digitalis medication works directly on the heart muscle to strengthen and regulate the heartbeat. It is used to treat certain heart conditions.....
Amphetamine (Adderall) and methylphenidate (Ritalin and Concerta) are used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder....
Cocaine is now predominantly used for nasal and lacrimal duct surgery....
...and my favourite - Nitroglycerin extended-release capsules are used to prevent chest pain (angina).... jump up and down and you'll get a real blast.....

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 10:20 am
by Hammerhead
sophie wrote:Cannabis not a narcotic or psychotropic substance"!! Well all I can say they must have "watered it down" since the 60"s. Tell that to people who have slowly but surely moved up (or is it down) to cocaine and then the real killers.
They have taken out the chemical that gets you high

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 10:36 am
by Keithcaley
michelle wrote:...They have taken out the chemical that gets you high
Rather like taking the caffeine out of coffee!

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:27 am
by Hammerhead
Exactly

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 11:58 am
by erol
As I understand it, Its not a case of 'taking out' the tch - its a case that different species of the plant of the genus 'cannabis' have varying amounts of thc and ratios of thc to cbd. Cannabis Ruderalis, Cannabis Sativa, Cannabis Indica. You could grow and consume cannabis ruderalis all day and not get high because that strain / species / subspecies of the cannabis plant has near to zero levels of thc in it.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 1:45 pm
by johnerebus
To counter the misinformation and propaganda disseminated about cannabis (and we know why this is don't we?) here's some contemporary scientific evidence:

Federal Study Finds Marijuana 100X Less Toxic Than Alcohol, Safer Than Tobacco
By Dr. John Regan -January 4, 201801327

Science once again catching up with what many already knew – but this is progress: A new scientific study has investigated the toxicity of various drugs and found Marijuana the clear winner. It’s been found significantly less toxic than all the other substances on the list – including not only illegal drugs but the LEGAL alcohol and tobacco. Here’s our full report.

Claims on marijuana’s medicinal values have been widely debated despite support from medical research and study. Federal legislations that govern marijuana use aim to restrict rather than regulate – and this has posed a problem to people seeking the medicinal and recreational effects of the herb, very far from intentions of abusing its effects. What is it about marijuana that scares the government – and the public – so much?

Marijuana Use in the United States
Marijuana, colloquially referred to as weed or pot, is made up of dried leaves and flowers of the hemp plant Cannabis sativa. Statistics released by the National Institute of Drug Abuse reveal that in respondents aged 18 to 25, more than half (exactly 51.90 percent) have used marijuana. Percentages are lower in the other two age groups, with 16.40 percent of respondents aged 12 to 17 and 45.70 percent of respondents aged 26 and older reporting marijuana use. [1]

Laws in more than half the number of states in the US prohibit marijuana use, whether recreationally or medically. Currently (2015), only 21 states plus the District of Columbia have passed medical marijuana laws (MMLs) that recognize and permit the medicinal use of the herb. [2]

Numerous studies have reported the positive medicinal effects of marijuana on pain, sleep, and overall comfort. A survey conducted by Trip, et. al. (2014) revealed that marijuana use was effective in improving mood, pain, muscle spasms, and sleep quality in patient with prostatitis and chronic pelvic pain syndrome. [3] The data collected from a more recent study in 2015 by Degenhardt, et. al. revealed that marijuana use in conjunction with prescribed opioids were able to induce effective pain relief in respondents experiencing chronic non-cancer pain. [4] These studies further support the popularity of marijuana use among people experiencing acute and chronic pain.

On the other hand, there have also been studies on the adverse effects of marijuana. One of these was published in mid-2014, focusing the negative health effects of smoking marijuana, particularly on the increased risk for lung cancer. [5] Of course, the study was only able to reveal how it was smoke (not cannabis itself) that damages lung tissue. This problem could easily be solved by changing the method in which marijuana is administered.

Risk Assessment of Marijuana and Other Substances



But is marijuana use as dangerous as the law makes it out to be? The intoxicating effects of marijuana, although different, are not thought more severe than that of mild to moderate alcohol intake – a substance that is not illegal anywhere in the United States, or most countries all over the world. A study published in January 2015 by Lechenmeier and Rehm [6] assessed the comparative risk between different “mind-altering” substances, specifically alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, and other illicit drugs like heroin. Surprisingly, the study revealed that cannabis was the least risky substance, belonging to the other end of the spectrum. Do you know what substance was revealed the most risky? Alcohol.

How is this possible? The study used an approach called the Margin of Exposure (MOE) which is drastically different from other studies that simply attempted to find causational relationship between two factors – (1) substance use/abuse and (2) mortality. MOE is different; it’s a ratio between the estimated (average) human intake and the benchmark dose (or toxicological threshold). Basically, it’s a ratio between how much humans typically intake and the dose at which the substance becomes dangerous – which is a better judge of how risky a substance can be. The higher the MOE is, the higher its spot on the list.

The results of the study were conclusive: The highest spot belonged to alcohol, while the succeeding spots were filled by heroin, cocaine, nicotine, MDMA, methamphetamine, methadone, amphetamine, diazepam, and THC (or marijuana). With marijuana in the lowest spot (over 100 times less toxic than alcohol), it can be surmised that its effects on health and society have been largely overestimated. If there was a plant that couldn’t be more misunderstood – or was it perhaps intentionally maligned – it has to be marijuana.

It’s important to note that the study measured toxic effects and does not consider any social effects of the use of the drug. However, this result is a clear indication that policies on marijuana are outdated and need re-evaluation – which is something that is gradually happening. It’s good news for the herband for the use of herbs in general.

References:

[1] National Institute of Drug Abuse (2014). Marijuana. Retrieved from http://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/marijuana

[2] Pacula, R., et. al. (2015). Assessing the Effects of Medical Marijuana Laws on Marijuana Use: The Devil is in the Details. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315233/

[3] Tripp, D., et. al. (2014). A survery of cannabis use and self-reported benefit in men with chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC427753

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 2:25 pm
by frontalman
My weekend raver days are over!

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 5:19 pm
by Keithcaley
johnerebus wrote:...and we know why this is don't we?...
Well, NO! - I don't...

I am entirely new to this debate - as I'm sure that many others are - could you explain please?

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 5:25 pm
by Keithcaley
frontalman wrote:My weekend raver days are over!
Mark, I don't know whether in the dim and distant past you ever 'ventured further' than alcohol and tobacco (I didn't, and I'm really not asking whether you did!) but you are a shining example to us all

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 7:00 pm
by johnerebus
Keithcaley, I'm off to London tomorrow and will elucidate for your edification (music hall parlance) on my return to Cyprus in about a week's time

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Mon 12 Mar 2018 7:09 pm
by erol
Keithcaley wrote: Mark, I don't know whether in the dim and distant past ....
There was me thinking Mark's weekend raver days were over because it was Monday

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 7:40 am
by erol

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 9:27 am
by kibsolar1999
You can get plenty of info about hemp in the internet, here some short:
It is one of the few “wonderplants” and one of the oldest cultivated plants on this planet with plenty of varieties.
some
produce a lot of seeds for hemp oil , very healthy due to unsaturated oil, also used in cosmetics and works good against eg, neurodermatitis, was also used as lamp oil and in paints.

produce more fibers for textiles (the first Levis jeans was made from hemp), and very important, used for ropes and sails. (see hemp war UK- Russia, which was the biggest hemp grower in the world). It was “the fiber for the poor” (flax and linen for the middle class, silk for the rich. Also used for paper. G. Washington and T Jefferson have been hemp growers, B. Franklin runned a paper factory. Hemp can be used as insulation material and so on…. The use of hemp is “endless” and hemp is biodegrable.

and some varieties produce THC, that was the “special section” in a homes garden as it needs also special attention.

New is CBD oil which, for legal reasons, is extracted from varieties which do produce no or very little THC.

ALL the plant is known as either very productive, very healthy or very therapeutical.

So, how comes that hemp growing is (mainly) made illegal (1937) or need “special permission to grow” today? Also here a lot of info is available…
Here names: William Randoph Hearst, forest owner and paper manufacturer (to avoid hemp growing in general) . The chemical giant Dupont and its biggest investor Andrew Mellon(to push chemical fibres (and paints) into the market), who made his relative Harry J. Anslinger chief of the anti drug agency in the US. That “people ...(who use THC) slowly but surely move up (or is it down) to cocaine and then the real killers”.. is an argumentation (also) of Mr Anslinger back in the 30ties.
As the advantages of hemp are known… and drug scientist on top say “when you smoke a joint, the worse is the tobacco”… and: “better have a joint (better: a cake) then a beer”… all these restrictions will be made null and void in all countries all over the world slowly but surely. It is ONLY a question of time.
Btw, for now, I would not take the risk of having a bottle of CBD oil in my luggage when I enter the TRNC. Even ordinary poppy seeds have not been available here! (there are now)
PS: hemp can not heal cancer. And antibiotics are an great innovation.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 5:01 pm
by Mr Davidson
For those interested in the hemp issue - this is very interesting about Henry Ford's Hemp car - that was discontinued due to the outlawing of hemp - see link below. quote: The suppression of this technology is largely due to the fact that hemp was outlawed in the US in 1937 due to the potential damaging effect it would have on many powerful industries at the time. I highly recommend you check out the the full story on how hemp became illegal to get a better understanding...endquote...

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -stronger/

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 7:09 pm
by johnerebus
Keith, Kibsolar and Mr Davidson have supplied the links to your enquiry. I would also like to say how extremely encouraged by the mainly erudite and well informed replies to my original post.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 8:39 pm
by erol
Just for those who were unaware, legalisation of cannabis for medicinal use and possibly recreational was in the campaign manifesto of Serdar Denktash / DP in the last election, who is now part of the coalition government. So to was 'same sex marriages' for that matter.

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 9:36 pm
by jofra
Mr Davidson wrote:For those interested in the hemp issue - this is very interesting about Henry Ford's Hemp car - that was discontinued due to the outlawing of hemp - see link below. quote: The suppression of this technology is largely due to the fact that hemp was outlawed in the US in 1937 due to the potential damaging effect it would have on many powerful industries at the time. I highly recommend you check out the the full story on how hemp became illegal to get a better understanding...endquote...
From Wikipedia -
"The Ford Model T is an automobile produced by Ford Motor Company from October 1, 1908, to May 26, 1927."

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Wed 14 Mar 2018 6:32 pm
by Mr Davidson
True Kibkomer... I am quoting from the article but... Wikipedia LOL!

Read the article it says the suppression of this technology i.e. using hemp as a material not the suppression of the Model T Ford???

Maybe this link might suit you better as it also refers to Hemp ethanol fuel and there is even a time stamp of 1925 in it for you
http://rense.com/general67/FORD.HTM

Re: Them and Us and Cannabis

Posted: Wed 14 Mar 2018 8:41 pm
by jofra
My apologies - when I read in your first link -
"But did you know that Henry Ford spent more than a decade researching and building his Model-T car which was not only constructed from hemp but was also designed to run off hemp bio-fuel? Whatever happened to this idea?
According to Popular Mechanics, Henry Ford’s first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, ‘grown from the soil,’ had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel.
"
- and your comment "Henry Ford's Hemp car - that was discontinued due to the outlawing of hemp" confused me - perhaps another model rather than the Model T was also being made of hemp when the ban came in 1937...?
However, no matter - all this is a distant view through the haze...