Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

After the deluge it's time to clean up. So who's to blame? Inadequate drainage, left rubbish and rubble, unfinished projects, Belediyesi , too many high rise apartments, building in the wrong areas, global warming, climate change, Cyclical and Natural Changes or just a freak of nature?

All of the above

A few days after charging for the plastic bags started! If you don't know what you are doing leave well alone

Given the circumstances I would say even for you that is a crass comment EJTS!

Chriswright03 wrote:Given the circumstances I would say even for you that is a crass comment EJTS!

Virtue signalling alert.

Obviously had I have jumped in saying it was climate change it would have been ok no doubt?

The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here.

Totally feel for the lives lost and those who suffered damage.

Chriswright03 wrote:Given the circumstances I would say even for you that is a crass comment EJTS!

A sad fact of life - every forum has one!

I will say this one thing... there is no point in blaming anyone, what has happened has happened...get a life.... if you care help those who have suffered... stop trying to be clever and scoring points. It is totally inappropriate to make flippant and meaningless commentsd'

I will say this one thing... there is no point in blaming anyone, what has happened has happened...get a life.... if you care help those who have suffered... stop trying to be clever and scoring points. It is totally inappropriate to make flippant and meaningless comments

totally agree with Mrs Gee.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote:

Chriswright03 wrote:Given the circumstances I would say even for you that is a crass comment EJTS!

Virtue signalling alert.

Obviously had I have jumped in saying it was climate change it would have been ok no doubt?

The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here.

Totally feel for the lives lost and those who suffered damage.

No it wouldn't and that doesn't change the fact that it was a stupid remark. Have a bit of respect man!

As others have said there is little point in blaming anyone. By all means fine out why and make sure if possible it doesn't happen again but witch hunting doesn't help anyone. There have been some really good reactions to the situation where people have offered help in some form to those that need it with some being on here and some on facebook. They were refreshing in what is a me me me World but as has also already been said 'there is always one'!

jofra wrote:

Chriswright03 wrote:Given the circumstances I would say even for you that is a crass comment EJTS!

A sad fact of life - every forum has one!

More than one I'd say. They'll be in Starling with their save the planet cotton bag thinking they are making a jot of difference.

If you want to start a campaign that will try and make the government force builders to build some infrastructure rather than just destroy the little that exists I'll be the first one to sign up.

Get the councils to clear out blockages of places where water will run? I'm with you 100%.

Want to prioritise some campaign that is attempting the impossible and will make no difference based on zero evidence and I'll stay in and sew my sandbags thanks.

Being nasty doesn't do anything, Go and help somebody clean up!! Great comment from the Ozanköy butcher in another thread!!

EnjoyingTheSun wrote:The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here.

Oh, don't they ever have flood damage in the UK?

Groucho wrote:

EnjoyingTheSun wrote:The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here.

Oh, don't they ever have flood damage in the UK?

Of course they do and no mater what you do there is some freak weather that can't be handled in the short term but there are efforts to minimise damage in the UK. Flood barriers, drains etc etc.
Not seeing much of that here are you?
Don't expect to see much put in place in the near future either.

But hey let's have a go at stopping the rain, that will be so much easier to pull off

EnjoyingTheSun wrote:

Groucho wrote:

EnjoyingTheSun wrote:The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here.

Oh, don't they ever have flood damage in the UK?

Of course they do and no mater what you do there is some freak weather that can't be handled in the short term but there are efforts to minimise damage in the UK. Flood barriers, drains etc etc.
Not seeing much of that here are you?
Don't expect to see much put in place in the near future either.

But hey let's have a go at stopping the rain, that will be so much easier to pull off

I think you will find that measures in the UK are reactive and based around preserving wealth... poorer areas being treated with little in way of meaningful preventative measures, hence some folk flooded three times in the last ten years... but don't let that alter your narrative.

Groucho wrote:
I think you will find that measures in the UK are reactive and based around preserving wealth... poorer areas being treated with little in way of meaningful preventative measures, hence some folk flooded three times in the last ten years... but don't let that alter your narrative.

Where is the Thames Flood Barrier located?

I was bought up in East London and they had drains there but I do believe that millionaire Paul Daniels got flooded a fair bit though.
Wouldn’t argue that a lot of actions are reactive but can you see anything being done even reactively in TRNC?

I think the biggest difference in the amounts of tax people pay has a huge impact on infrastructure....or lack of. Wages here are low therefore tax payable has to be low so there is no way infrastructure can be anything like that of the uk. It is a crazy comparison.

Laura B wrote:I think the biggest difference in the amounts of tax people pay has a huge impact on infrastructure....or lack of. Wages here are low therefore tax payable has to be low so there is no way infrastructure can be anything like that of the uk. It is a crazy comparison.

I didn’t bring up a comparison with the UK and totally agree re wages and income tax paid but would point to the extremely low tax hotels and casinos pay.

In America when a company builds a new hotel and Casino more often than not a condition of them getting a licence is that they make a substantial contribution to update existing infrastructure. Building schools and roads etc isn’t uncommon. Common sense really, a new hotel and Casino is going to make a lot more demands on existing infrastructure.

I would also include builders in that. I can’t be the only one who has noticed how much building trucks tear up existing roads during building. Putting that right should be a bare minimum.
A condition of planning permission could be to build or improve roads leading to the new properties.

There are a lot of businesses making a lot of money and take take take and give nothing. To ask them for more isn’t a big ask and is attainable and would improve things.
Pie in the sky initiatives will do nothing.

I certainly cannot disagree with what you say but I think making changes to the eastern Mediterranean mindset is going to take more than a few good ideas!!

Lorries and cement mixers dropping clods of wet cement behind them along the road leading up to my home are ruining the place our village roads were not built for them.

Laura B wrote: I think making changes to the eastern Mediterranean mindset is going to take more than a few good ideas!!

Isn't that the truth.
That was my cynicism about the plastic bag tax, is it an initiative to save the planet or a good way to get some extra unaudited money in the coffers.

[quote="EnjoyingTheSun"

I didn’t bring up a comparison with the UK .....[/quote]

But you did say "The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here"

Which is comparative...

Let's agree that it would be hard to foresee what you admit was freak weather.

Groucho wrote:[quote="EnjoyingTheSun"

I didn’t bring up a comparison with the UK .....

But you did say "The weather was a freak and just highlighted the complete lack of foresight, priorities and common sense that the councils etc have out here"

Which is comparative...

Let's agree that it would be hard to foresee what you admit was freak weather.[/quote]

I've never said the UK was perfect but I think we are a bit better at putting things right even if it is sometimes after the fact. But there is little to be served by comparisons but look at what we have and how we might move forward.

Yes it was freak weather and all these things have a habit of highlighting where you are going wrong. Maybe expose fundamental building flaws.
You would hope that blocking up areas where water would normally flow would be obvious but still......

Thing is will they take note or will they assume it was a freak, can't happen again and do nothing?
I know where my money is.