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Posted: **Fri 24 Apr 2020 11:28 pm**

bakground

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -sarcastic

(have enabled the poll option that allows you to change your vote - just in case)

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:40 am**

The poll could easily be 'Do you think Donald Trump has a grip on reality?'

Both questions are rhetoric... Day by Day the American people must be cringing at the thought of how damaging his ridiculous pontificating makes the USA look like a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. His attempts to backtrack when he is called out would be funny if it wasn't proof positive that he is unfit to run a corner shop let alone a major world power. He is showing signs of a mental instability that is akin to a reversion to a childlike state, either that or he has always been a gibbering idiot....

How he squirms and points his stubby digits at the press when they ask him to qualify his statements is so childish it's almost like sticking his tongue out and going 'na ne na na na - you are all nasty and I'm really too clever to play this game - so there - oh, and anyway I was joking and you fell for it...'

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:39 am**

Yes I am gonna get stoned with an injection of dettol and a nice glass of bleach and orange,cheers

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:01 am**

Personally I believe he is very tired of the fake media and nothing he does is good enough for them, so id like to believe this last year or so he does play with the media, he always mentions that if he says this or that the media will spin it into something else, could this comment be one of those moments, you or I can only speculate just like the rest of the world and the FAKE media, and only 1 man really knows the truth!

He is obviously a very clever man, he became the president and you all doubted him and he is a billionaire, not many dummies become billionaires and presidents.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:10 am**

An interesting article here

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:16 am**

Wines Of The World wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:01 am
Personally I believe he is very tired of the fake media and nothing he does is good enough for them, so id like to believe this last year or so he does play with the media, he always mentions that if he says this or that the media will spin it into something else, could this comment be one of those moments, you or I can only speculate just like the rest of the world and the FAKE media, and only 1 man really knows the truth!

He is obviously a very clever man, he became the president and you all doubted him and he is a billionaire, not many dummies become billionaires and presidents.

Oh but they do.... as for becoming a billionaire - starting off with a fortune helps and is he still really a billionaire? given that nearly all his investments are linked to the hotel and entertainment industry is he about to suffer his biggest losses to date?

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:20 am**

Keithcaley wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:10 am
An interesting article here

Well if he's going to be susceptible to arrant nonsense like that and then go on record at a White House briefing and show that he is - he's more of a nincompoop than we already know...

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:57 am**

The only poll that matters is the poll on December 10th and Trump will win that easily.

If anything illustrates that people are sick and tired of the patronising, metropolitan elite who like to lecture people rather than listen to them it’s the election of Trump.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:59 am**

Groucho wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:16 am

Wines Of The World wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 8:01 am
Personally I believe he is very tired of the fake media and nothing he does is good enough for them, so id like to believe this last year or so he does play with the media, he always mentions that if he says this or that the media will spin it into something else, could this comment be one of those moments, you or I can only speculate just like the rest of the world and the FAKE media, and only 1 man really knows the truth!

He is obviously a very clever man, he became the president and you all doubted him and he is a billionaire, not many dummies become billionaires and presidents.
Oh but they do.... as for becoming a billionaire - starting off with a fortune helps and is he still really a billionaire? given that nearly all his investments are linked to the hotel and entertainment industry is he about to suffer his biggest losses to date?

Speculation speculation with no facts. Non of us knows his Net Worth and I'm not interested in speculation

He even gives up his presidents salary but of course, no one talks about that

So he was fortunate enough to have a father who left or loaned him a few Dollars, what a great father

and good to see he put his father's hard-earned cash to work sensibly and didn't just waste the opportunity

stay safe

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:41 am**

I think he is a buffoon and I think the evidence on his business acumen is mixed to say the least but that said this is a non story.

He was giving a progress report and speculating aloud on potential cures very inarticulately. His opponents etc have leapt on it and that's the story. He is very easy to lampoon.

His opponents have been trying to impeach him since the day he was elected because they cannot stand him. But here's their problem, he is popular with the man in the street.

He isn't very articulate but then the man in the street isn't as articulate as an Obama. What Trump does well like Johnson is put over a message that the people understand and will vote for. Trump will win another term and I would expect Johnson to win his next election unless Starmer pulls up trees or people really want a change.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:56 am**

Personally I don't see a problem with what he has said.
Stay safe like the president

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 11:46 am**

A few dollars? Donald Trump received at least $413 million from his father's business empire.... hardly a tough start. He's not a self made billionaire - I get the feeling that a lot of it is smoke and mirrors... A bit like Mohd. Al-fayed before his take-over of Harrods.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 11:57 am**

To hold any businesses together at his level is not a job for dummies.
What a fantastic thoughtful father he had

400 million

Al Fayed. Wasn't his son and princess Diana murdered allegedly by the British establishment .
Al Fayed another great business man. Real real shame about his son and Diana

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 12:12 pm**

Groucho wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 11:46 am
A few dollars? Donald Trump received at least $413 million from his father's business empire.... hardly a tough start. He's not a self made billionaire - I get the feeling that a lot of it is smoke and mirrors... A bit like Mohd. Al-fayed before his take-over of Harrods.

Trump has made himself into a brand, the % he owns of the buildings he puts his name on is often minuscule. Al Fayed has never been as rich as made out and is a front for others but is very well connected which in the Arab world is very lucrative.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 2:27 pm**

Has anyone actually listened to what he said?
He was brainstorming possible ideas to combat the virus, that's what you do to stimulate ideas and discussion.

I guess most of the people criticizing have never done this in their careers, but this a normal starting point for a new project in many of the companies I have worked for

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 2:44 pm**

MVP wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 2:27 pm
Has anyone actually listened to what he said?
He was brainstorming possible ideas to combat the virus, that's what you do to stimulate ideas and discussion.

In a live televised press conference designed to provide citizens with information ! That is the point. Was he trying to get information to citizens or show how 'clever' he is. There is a time and place to brainstorm and it is not in a live press conference. He could and should 'brainstorm' not on live TV but off it and then if that results in useful product then you inform people of this. The whole thing has wasted time and energy, his but also of countless other people, because he could not stop himself 'brainstorming' on live TV in a press conference. That is my criticism.

Why do I get the feeling that had someone like Jeremy Corbyn done something like this in a similar situation you would not be rushing to his defence ?

MVP wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 2:27 pm
I guess most of the people criticizing have never done this in their careers, but this a normal starting point for a new project in many of the companies I have worked for

You have worked in companies where they arrange a live televised press conference to launch a new project and the CEO stands there and 'brainstorms' have you ?

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 3:19 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 2:44 pm

In a live televised press conference designed to provide citizens with information !

Agreed he should have been 100% transparent.

We don't really know how many people have coronavirus.
We don't really know how long it has been around.
We don't really know how many have had it and have overcome it.
We don't know how contagious it is.
We don't really know if you catch it and are otherwise healthy how much of a chance there is you are going to die.
We are working on a vaccine but even if we cut down on most of the safety trials that ensure it isn't as dangerous as the virus from the day we have one available all of you wont be vaccinated for a year.
What we do know is every week the lock down goes on is another year we we will be in the worst recession since the Thirties.
Assuming you don't want some guesswork on some figures there is no further need to have another press conference.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 3:50 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 3:19 pm
Agreed he should have been 100% transparent.

My point was and is a live press conference in the middle of a pandemic was not the time and place for the President to start brainstorming about if UV light or bleach introduced in to the body by some means might be a possible treatment. It stuns me that this point appears so obtuse and controversial to some.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 4:00 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 3:50 pm
My point was and is a live press conference in the middle of a pandemic was not the time and place for the President to start brainstorming about if UV light or bleach introduced in to the body by some means might be a possible treatment. It stuns me that this point appears so obtuse and controversial to some.

And my point is that these press conferences are being demanded every day to what purpose?
Personally I would just read out my list each and every day but people want to hear something so I guess he tried to fill in the gaps in his own indomitable style.
Like I said if somehow what he said leads people to inject bleach I wouldn't be too concerned as those people wouldn't have been long for this world anyway.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:51 pm**

It's my understanding that the daily press conferences are Trump's idea as he was missing his rallies. Now his aides are trying to talk him out of doing them as he keeps putting his foot in it. The public want up to date info and some hope that things will return to normal as soon as possible. As Trump is only worried about massaging his own ego and appealing to his base he should stay out of it and let the grown-ups take the helm.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:40 pm**

frontalman wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:51 pm
As Trump is only worried about massaging his own ego and appealing to his base he should stay out of it and let the grown-ups take the helm.

That might be true but Johnson is getting tremendous stick for not being visible while recovering from the virus. Whatever you do you are going to get criticised by your opponents

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:54 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:40 pm

frontalman wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:51 pm
As Trump is only worried about massaging his own ego and appealing to his base he should stay out of it and let the grown-ups take the helm.
That might be true but Johnson is getting tremendous stick for not being visible while recovering from the virus. Whatever you do you are going to get criticised by your opponents

I think the clue is in the name 'opponents'. I think our job is to judge as impartially as possible if the criticism is fair or not. Not to just chose a side and then attack or defend regardless of justification based on that choice.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:23 pm**

i know only one thing:
if chanceller Merkel would have asked these questions or made those suggestions to a medical adviser in an official press conference.. or would have made statements like "free bavaria".. that would be her last words in duty.

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:26 pm**

If you Google 'loose cannon' it says 'see Donald Trump'.... White House briefings are an inappropriate forum for a large proportion of the totally left-field things he is coming up with. He may well be thinking Americans should hear this process but I think he's wrong. It gives the appearance of the witterings of a feeble intellect which is hardly reassuring for the man in he street who is hoping for evidence of good decision making and guidance. This is nothing like that..

Posted: **Sat 25 Apr 2020 11:05 pm**

"...What Trump does well like Johnson is put over a message that the people understand and will vote for...."
Understand? Correction; fall for, swallow, believe - Google Adolf Hitler, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Kim-Il-Sung and his son, L. Ron Hubbard....
Hopefully Darwinism will prevail.....

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:50 am**

jofra wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 11:05 pm
"...What Trump does well like Johnson is put over a message that the people understand and will vote for...."
Understand? Correction; fall for, swallow, believe - Google Adolf Hitler, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Kim-Il-Sung and his son, L. Ron Hubbard....
Hopefully Darwinism will prevail.....

What is quite amusing if ever you try to explain that criticism of Johnson or Trump is excessive then the woke blokes take every word you say and examine each one forensically.
One stupidly ups the game and compares Johnson, Trump or Rees Mogg to Adolf Hitler and you can hear crickets.

What has been a joy during the lockdown is seeing the same people who lecture that the conditions that led to the festering of Nazism must not happen here and then in the next tweet ask for a number to report their neighbour to because he has taken 15 minutes more than his regulation exercise hour.

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:53 am**

erol wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:54 pm

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 7:40 pm

frontalman wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 6:51 pm
As Trump is only worried about massaging his own ego and appealing to his base he should stay out of it and let the grown-ups take the helm.
That might be true but Johnson is getting tremendous stick for not being visible while recovering from the virus. Whatever you do you are going to get criticised by your opponents
I think our job is to judge as impartially as possible if the criticism is fair or not. Not to just chose a side and then attack or defend regardless of justification based on that choice.

Yeah because that happens!!

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:55 am**

Groucho wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 9:26 pm
He may well be thinking Americans should hear this process but I think he's wrong. It gives the appearance of the witterings of a feeble intellect which is hardly reassuring for the man in he street who is hoping for evidence of good decision making and guidance. This is nothing like that..

Well if he has misjudged the man in the street then he won’t be re-elected. I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:59 am**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:55 am
I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets

Sounds like you are ready to offer odds then ? I mean I think it will be close, so would not bet at evens. You sound confident that its a near certainty. So what odds you offering ?

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:14 am**

erol wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:59 am

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:55 am
I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets
Sounds like you are ready to offer odds then ? I mean I think it will be close, so would not bet at evens. You sound confident that its a near certainty. So what odds you offering ?

Why would you need odds, he is the worst president in history and he has offended everyone and the man in the street can see through him?
He is facing the biggest crisis of our time which everyone is pretty much going into blind so his opponents can easily sit on the fence and chuck grenades at him. Uncle Bernie isn't against him so the democrats have a credible candidate, I should be asking for odds.

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 am**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:14 am

erol wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:59 am

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:55 am
I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets
Sounds like you are ready to offer odds then ? I mean I think it will be close, so would not bet at evens. You sound confident that its a near certainty. So what odds you offering ?
Why would you need odds, he is the worst president in history and he has offended everyone and the man in the street can see through him?
He is facing the biggest crisis of our time which everyone is pretty much going into blind so his opponents can easily sit on the fence and chuck grenades at him. Uncle Bernie isn't against him so the democrats have a credible candidate, I should be asking for odds.

I have not said these things. YOU are the one who said "I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets". I think your 'bravado' is flagging

If you believe what you said it seems reasonable to me to ask what odds you are offering ? Now we both know you will not offer odds so what conclusions can be drawn from that ?

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:50 am**

erol wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:20 am

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:14 am

erol wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 9:59 am

Sounds like you are ready to offer odds then ? I mean I think it will be close, so would not bet at evens. You sound confident that its a near certainty. So what odds you offering ?
Why would you need odds, he is the worst president in history and he has offended everyone and the man in the street can see through him?
He is facing the biggest crisis of our time which everyone is pretty much going into blind so his opponents can easily sit on the fence and chuck grenades at him. Uncle Bernie isn't against him so the democrats have a credible candidate, I should be asking for odds.
I have not said these things. YOU are the one who said "I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets". I think your 'bravado' is flagging If you believe what you said it seems reasonable to me to ask what odds you are offering ? Now we both know you will not offer odds so what conclusions can be drawn from that ?

Have you ever seen the odds on a two horse race?
The odds on Biden V Trump are extremely skinny.
I am not silly enough to offer silly odds that you can easily lay off at a bookies by backing Trump so you can’t lose. I was born at night, not last night.
After all it seems that Trump is akin to Hitler and too my knowledge the Americans have never voted a Nazi in.
I’m confident that Trump will win comfortably and my bravado is such that I’m willing to bet on it.
The other side of the coin is that others will say he will lose and point to the fact that he lost the popular vote or didn’t get 50% of it to somehow convince everyone they were right.
However if you or kibsokar with to take me up on my corona deaths bet I’d be happy to consider odds on that or a spread bet once we have established what the second part of the sum is?
What I don’t do is call out heads or tails and you call out yes!

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:31 am**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:50 am
Have you ever seen the odds on a two horse race?
The odds on Biden V Trump are extremely skinny.I am not silly enough to offer silly odds that you can easily lay off at a bookies by backing Trump so you can’t lose. I was born at night, not last night.

No you are not that silly - which is my point, which has nothing to do with odds. It has to do with how your expression of "I think he will win comfortably and will happily take bets" is and was just meaningless hyperbole in so many ways on so many levels to such large degrees. Saying I think he will win easily on it's own is different from then adding 'and I will happily take take bets'. there is a reason why you said what you did in the way you did.

My point is we all rail against 'media exaggeration, hyperbole, sensationalism' and the like to some degree. Some to a much greater degree than others. We all do so to some degree only when its against 'sides' we are on and ignore it when it is not. Some do this to greater degrees than others.

I am suggesting, given that we have 100% control over ourselves and next to zero over anyone else, if we really want change on things like this then the first place to start is with ourselves and to what degree we do such things. That just seems like a no brainer to me. When someone rails against something but seems unable or unwilling to use this starting point I end up having to doubt how sincere their expressed concern over and desire for change over the issue is.

This is also connected to your earlier comment of 'Yeah because that happens!!' . It happens to the exact degree that individuals choose to try and behave in such ways. You do have 100% control over you. I have 100% control over myself.

We all want 'easy' answers, really easy 'stories'. We all have a desire and interest in believing that problems are the fault of 'others', that require nothing from us, no effort on our part beyond choosing a side and identifying the 'other', be it the 'media' or 'government' or the 'left' or 'the right' or the endless list of possible others than can be used in such a role. I just do not think such behaviours , that I engage in to some degree myself, are any route to anything 'better' or any sort of progressive change over time. That requires action and effort by us as individuals and always a starting point of 'what impact can I make via the choices I make as an individual and that are totally under my control' before even thinking about 'others'.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:50 am
I’m confident that Trump will win comfortably and my bravado is such that I’m willing to bet on it.

So go bet on it then. No one is stopping you. If you are as certain as you sound I would expect you would have already put substantial amounts down ? If once you have done so you want then make the point that you believe strongly enough that he will win that you have bet on it, you would have little comment from me. This is not what you did with the comment you first made.

So lets both bet 100 pounds - you that trump wins next election me that he loses. If he wins you keep you 100 pounds and I donate mine to a charity of your chose. If he loses the other way round. How does that sound ? Either way some charity will benefit by 100 pounds and you can back up your 'putting your moeny where you mouth is' hyperbole to boot.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:50 am
The other side of the coin is that others will say he will lose and point to the fact that he lost the popular vote or didn’t get 50% of it to somehow convince everyone they were right.

This is for me one of the most frustrating things of engaging in debate with you on the forum (much less so irl). In many ways and to significant degrees you want to both argue your case AND tell me what is is that I am arguing as well. What I actually might argue myself directly often seems almost irrelevant compared with what you tell me I am arguing and then you go on to knock down. It often feels like you do not actually need me at all

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 10:50 am
However if you or kibsokar with to take me up on my corona deaths bet I’d be happy to consider odds on that or a spread bet once we have established what the second part of the sum is?
What I don’t do is call out heads or tails and you call out yes!

What you do is use 'betting' as a form of rhetorical but essentially meaningless hyperbole to make points - I think we have already seen that no ?

Betting on 'corona deaths' is impossible without some standardise way of determining what is or is not a 'corona death'. Betting on total deaths in a given area over given time period compared to some average for that period would be different. You have argued previously that you strongly suspected that total deaths will not show a significant increase. I would guess that you would not be quite as keen to make best on that as your earlier comments and continued 'bravado' now might suggest, with arguments along the lines of 'yeah of course we are going to see an increase in total deaths but not because of the virus but because of the misinformed reaction to it'. If I am wrong then and you are willing to put your money where your mouth is on if there will be any significant increase in total deaths in say England and wales in the first 6 or 12 months of 2020 vs 5 year average, then I might consider taking up such a bet.

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 1:28 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:31 am

My point is we all rail against 'media exaggeration, hyperbole, sensationalism' and the like to some degree. Some to a much greater degree than others. We all do so to some degree only when its against 'sides' we are on and ignore it when it is not. Some do this to greater degrees than others.

What is interesting is you will go through anything I say word by word to pick apart as you will with Trump but happily nod through without comment a comparison that compares Johnson and Trump to Hitler and the like.

jofra wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Apr 2020 11:05 pm
"...What Trump does well like Johnson is put over a message that the people understand and will vote for...."
Understand? Correction; fall for, swallow, believe - Google Adolf Hitler, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Kim-Il-Sung and his son, L. Ron Hubbard....
Hopefully Darwinism will prevail.....

erol wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 11:31 am

Betting on 'corona deaths' is impossible without some standardise way of determining what is or is not a 'corona death'. Betting on total deaths in a given area over given time period compared to some average for that period would be different. You have argued previously that you strongly suspected that total deaths will not show a significant increase. I would guess that you would not be quite as keen to make best on that as your earlier comments and continued 'bravado' now might suggest, with arguments along the lines of 'yeah of course we are going to see an increase in total deaths but not because of the virus but because of the misinformed reaction to it'. If I am wrong then and you are willing to put your money where your mouth is on if there will be any significant increase in total deaths in say England and wales in the first 6 or 12 months of 2020 vs 5 year average, then I might consider taking up such a bet.

I suggested a standardised way, as best as I understood it the UN predicted pre-coronavirus that around 640,000 would die in the UK this year. Would you disagree with that?
Would you agree with the figure that was forwarded of absolutely best case scenario there will be 100,000 deaths down to coronavirus? By all means come up with your own figure.

Now we have the difficulty of WITH coronavirus and FROM coronavirus numbers which I believe is leading to over counting.
We also have the fact that economic downturns DO lead to deaths and the lockdown is going to lead to a hell of an economic downturn.
Tell me do you agree with the often counted figure that austerity led to 120,000 deaths in 10 years?
Obviously a particular virulant form of flu can lead to an extra 20,000 deaths without it leading to a lock down or even a front page headline.

So I accept that the coronavirus is going to cause some deaths. I also accept that economic downturns do lead to an increase in deaths although I do not trust the data on the 120,000 figure.

So if we agree on a 640,000 figure, I believe the coronavirus will lead to around an extra 20,000 deaths and 10,000 economic deaths so I think the figure for 2020 as a whole will be around 675,000.
If we have 750,000 deaths I accept that logic tells me that there is no way the figures can be spun to say that at least 100,000 people died solely from coronavirus.
If the figure is 675,000 then you can produce graphs, and statistics from the WHO and every agency in the world and I'm not going to believe that 100,000 people died purely from coronavirus.
Logic will tell me that either coronavirus miraculously cured people who were going to die of another illness, eighty odd thousand are playing an elaborate game of hide and seek or the WHO etc etc are not willing to admit that they over reacted to the crisis and are spinning the figures to justify that over reaction.
It's a bit like when people try to dismiss the 6 million Jewish deaths in the holocaust as being vastly exagerrated. They can produce very convincing statistics on the impossibility of the logistics of that many people being killed but struggle to explain censuses from after the war that show there were 6 million less Jews in the world.

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 2:35 pm**

Interesting indeed
Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 2:53 pm**

Perhaps a drop of the old Zerochlor could sort everybody out Dave !

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 6:23 pm**

ETS - whether you deliberately or accidentally misinterpret other peoples' comments is not clear; however (in case you failed to understand) I at no point compared Trump and Johnson to Hitler et al - I suggested that people should research how Hitler et al had/have many believers - perhaps I should have suggested Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha - although no doubt you would find some other problem there....

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 7:02 pm**

jofra wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 6:23 pm

I at no point compared Trump and Johnson to Hitler et al - I suggested that people should research how Hitler et al had/have many believers

Sure

I think double standards have come up as in can you imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had........

I just get a little bored with the constant drip drip far right digs about Trump and Johnson from the left. Maybe you weren’t doing that or maybe you are beating a retreat having been called out on it.
As you have researched Hitler you’ll be aware that The Communist Party in a Germany under Ernst Thälmann wasted any chance of uniting against the Nazi Party by labelling The Social Democrats as fascists too, as they weren’t left wing enough for them, which simply split the opposition and any chance there was of stopping the real fascists.

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 7:03 pm**

jofra wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 6:23 pm

I at no point compared Trump and Johnson to Hitler et al - I suggested that people should research how Hitler et al had/have many believers

Sure

I think double standards have come up as in can you imagine if Jeremy Corbyn had........

I just get a little bored with the constant drip drip far right digs about Trump and Johnson from the left. Maybe you weren’t doing that or maybe you are beating a retreat having been called out on it.
As you have researched Hitler you’ll be aware that The Communist Party in a Germany under Ernst Thälmann wasted any chance of uniting against the Nazi Party by labelling The Social Democrats as fascists too, as they weren’t left wing enough for them, which simply split the opposition and any chance there was of stopping the real fascists.

Posted: **Sun 26 Apr 2020 8:08 pm**

"...having been called out on it..."
Yes, you have been, and again you refuse to admit that you have misinterpreted my comments which specifically refer to "those who believe" - NOT the named individuals.
Additionally, as you have now been "called out", you now appear to be attempting to divert the thread by attaching labels to those who disagree (not unlike Trump, as so often proved by his own words and actions) even when you have no evidence to their political persuasion.
But never mind, your particular slant on various themes and subjects provide some much-needed entertainment in this current time - keep up the good work, even if accuracy is difficult!

Posted: **Mon 27 Apr 2020 9:13 am**

Moonrakers wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 2:53 pm
Perhaps a drop of the old Zerochlor could sort everybody out Dave !

$((W\))$

Well we do know it clears up Eczema and reduces psoriasis Pain, Itching and Rash from both conditions.

Posted: **Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:12 am**

jofra wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Apr 2020 8:08 pm
"...having been called out on it..."
Yes, you have been, and again you refuse to admit that you have misinterpreted my comments which specifically refer to "those who believe" - NOT the named individuals.

Maybe you didn't mean to compare Trump to Hitler etc maybe you just meant that the 60 odd million who voted for Trump were the sort that would blindly follow Adolf Hitler, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Kim-Il-Sung and his son, L. Ron Hubbard? Which is it?

This isn't you comparing Trump to another smooth political operator without much real substance such as an Obama, Blair or Cameron . Hitler???

But again the comments will pass without a comment. That is what I find most annoying is the double standards.

If I compared Corbyn to Stalin however many would be all over it as hyperbole. The fact that Corbyn's right hand man Seamus Milne is well known for his favourable outlook on Stalin so giving my claim a bit more authenticity would be totally ignored

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