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It may only be me but …….. Newspapers at the moment


Reading the newspaper the amount of abbreviations used, the English language contains over 750,000 words but now one need a guide book to know what the article is about. main ones at the moment the R number , BAME, BTP and many many others
To me its a sign of laziness and not actually paying attention to what is being said or read.
How many are guilty of when introduced to people abbreviate names, if I want to be called Dave, I would say I am called Dave not David.

Names for everything, to generally highlight their situation and therefore stating
I'm vegan - to me I do not eat meat
I'm a person of colour ok you are browner than me so what
and sorry Philip Schofield its 2020 not the year I was born

and the worst one at the moment is the use of the word Hero please please go back to a person noted for courageous acts or nobility of character not the new definition a person who puts others before himself or herself


rant over

snd1966 wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 7:33 am

one need a guide book to know what the article is about. main ones at the moment the R number , BAME, BTP and many many others

Don't forget LGBTQ. I think that's all the letters at the moment. It started at LGB and then became LGBT when the trans community felt left out and now we have added a Q for questioning. Hopefully the Q is a catch all letter or it should be fun when the more militant begin to to identify as one of 158 genders or a kitchen sink.

snd1966 wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 7:33 am

I'm a person of colour ok you are browner than me so what

This is a set of deliberate trip wires left out by people who are keen to label everyone racist. When I was a boy black people were usually called coloured although racists had far worse names for black people. Now with hindsight it is a bit of a naive term because we are all coloured really but at that time to call someone black was less acceptable than calling them coloured.
So naive but not meant to be racist or offensive. Check out what the NAACP stands for both in initials and ethos.

Sometime later someone decided that coloured wasn't just not the best way of identifying black people but using it showed that you were racist like those who formed the NAACP I assume.
Now to use the phrase will have the entire leftwaffe leap on you.
Person of Colour is fine, coloured person means you are a fascist.
I've found black people don't really give a toss as it's someone's intent that shows whether they are racist not verbal gymnastics.

snd1966 wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 7:33 am

and the worst one at the moment is the use of the word Hero please please go back to a person noted for courageous acts or nobility of character

Hero is this decades survivor. Survivor was a word that used to be associated with someone who had got themself out of a hellish situation such as a concentration camp, war zone etc. But it was then hijacked to describe drunken ham actors who finally stopped drinking two bottles of vodka a day in a belated attempt to avoid seeing out their career on Emmerdale

I was told that one of the most horrible words used by black Americans to describe a white person, was to refer to them as Honkeys. There I've said it!!!! Its just a word.

sophie wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 9:53 am

I was told that one of the most horrible words used by black Americans to describe a white person, was to refer to them as Honkeys. There I've said it!!!! Its just a word.

I don't necessary buy into the its just a word argument as the N word has always been and always will be a nasty word but I don't think coloured is a nasty word, more a clumsy dated word which for all we know could be fashionable in 10 years time when those who don't want to cause any offense get too comfortable in their use of language for the SJWs.

sophie wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 9:53 am

I was told that one of the most horrible words used by black Americans to describe a white person, was to refer to them as Honkeys. There I've said it!!!! Its just a word.

More Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me

My parents recited the above when I came home crying because I was called concorde at primary school, my doctor when I saw people were getting their breasts enhanced asked Can you breath through it? answer yes, reply better start saving up. By the time I had saved enough money and of an age to appreciate other things I realised my nose was not that important.

I have many Italian friends all restaurant owners who would berate any waiter from the south of Italy calling them stupid 'from the country '
Pakistan friends who would do the same to other Pakistanis
In the political correct world it is deemed racist if a third party is offended, regardless if the original person is not.

snd1966 wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 10:14 am

By the time I had saved enough money and of an age to appreciate other things I realised my nose was not that important.

Thats kind of the ages of man. Or woman, or transman/ transwomen. Phew, it's a minefield!

I find that when you were in your teens and 20s you was as fit as you'll ever be but your mind was all over the shop worrying what people thought of you etc etc.
Then you really get your head together, this is me, I'm happy with me so if they don't like it then bugger them.
Unfortunately by the time your head and self esteem is in good shape your body is slowly collapsing on you.

I found that overall on the whole I was in great shape from around 33 to 35, before then my head was a jumble and after then I was physically falling apart.

13roman58 wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 10:51 am

I have many Italian friends all restaurant owners who would berate any waiter from the south of Italy calling them stupid 'from the country '
Pakistan friends who would do the same to other Pakistanis
In the political correct world it is deemed racist if a third party is offended, regardless if the original person is not.

It does irritate me that you can only be biased or racist if you are white and the world is divided into white and BAME.

This grouping of BAME as one mass block is to me as racist as anything. Within that community they are as good and imperfect as anyone else and bless them for that. The reason is because of race, they are members of the human race.

I've usually lived in multi cultural areas and find that black and asian people often don't make easy bedfellows. Within the black community, Africans and Caribbean people look down on each other and even within the Caribbean community you have big island/small island divisions. Muslims v Hindus etc etc

I usually find the PC brigade who will lecture you on what BAME people will and wont find offensive don't actually have much experience of interacting with normal BAME people. Generally BAME people just rub along with life as do the rest of us and save their outrage for important stuff.
The PC brigade seem to look on BAME people as a different species who need looking after and special treatment which to me is patronising at best and racist at worst.

ETS. You missed one!!!

LGBTQIA+
The acronym that often describes individuals who don’t identify as exclusively heterosexual or exclusively cisgender.

The letters in the LGBTQIA+ acronym stand for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, and asexual.

The + symbol in LGBTQIA+ refers to the fact that there are many sexual orientations and gender identities that are part of the broader LGBTQIA community, but aren’t included as part of the acronym.

waddo wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 11:43 am

ETS. You missed one!!!

LGBTQIA+
The acronym that often describes individuals who don’t identify as exclusively heterosexual or exclusively cisgender.

The letters in the LGBTQIA+ acronym stand for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer or questioning, intersex, and asexual.

The + symbol in LGBTQIA+ refers to the fact that there are many sexual orientations and gender identities that are part of the broader LGBTQIA community, but aren’t included as part of the acronym.

You turn away from the keyboard for 5 minutes!
This weeks competition, someone likes to dress as Edna Everidge and thrash his better half (gender neutral) with a pickled herring while they are dressed as an eclair to the music of Johnny Mathis, what letter can they have? I'm sure the + wont be sufficient.

I wouldn't mind if it just stopped with adding a letter to what by now is the largest acronym/abbreviation in the English language but once that hurdle has been crossed they will want their own toilets and then their own day. Good luck getting Clinton cards to stock that.

Have we no always used acronyms ? What about things like RSM (Royal Sargent Major) and HMG (Her majesties government). The list is endless. Do we not create and use new ones ourselves for convenience, like ETS ?

The issue is not the use or number of of such abbreviations is it ? The issue is the creating of categories that we do not personally agree need such a category or the use / misuse of such categories , not the use of abbreviation per se ? People who object to the use of BAME will still object to it if it was never abbreviated and always spoke or written in full would they not ?

Hard to look at an 'issue' if it is not clear what the issue you are looking at is ?

erol wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 1:47 pm

Have we no always used acronyms ? What about things like RSM (Royal Sargent Major)

Sorry, Regimental Sergeant Major! The military have reams and reams of "Official Abbreviations", which, as anyone who has served will tell you, takes years to master. I have a black friend who would say, "You have grey hair, a red nose, pink cheeks, yellow teeth and you call us coloured?" He also told me a very funny, self deprecating, joke that I wouldn't for the life of me repeat here.

Doh. I am just not sure what issue we are talking about here, but if it is simply the amount and common usage of abbreviations today vs the past I am not sure I see it myself ?

To be honest unless it's absolutely critical, why would anyone make reference to skin colour, ethnicity or sexual identity? In most circumstances you would only betray your prejudice. Too many people interested in pigeon holing others.

Groucho wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 4:49 pm

To be honest unless it's absolutely critical, why would anyone make reference to skin colour, ethnicity or sexual identity? In most circumstances you would only betray your prejudice. Too many people interested in pigeon holing others.

Everything is identity politics to large degrees and on many levels. Cyprus problem. Israel / Palestine. Just about everything. Denying someone an opportunity to properly describe THEIR identity simply because you crave a simplicity in how you view the universe that is not simple, will always lead to conflict. Saying people can only describe themselves using two tones when they need more to do so will always create conflict. Has to lead to it. Because identity is at the core of what it means to be human and we all fear ours being denied or suppressed.

Groucho wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 4:49 pm

To be honest unless it's absolutely critical, why would anyone make reference to skin colour, ethnicity or sexual identity? In most circumstances you would only betray your prejudice. Too many people interested in pigeon holing others.

There are votes in those pigeon holes just not enough.
If a upper middle class privately schooled white 19 year old boy can’t speak for working class black women and understand what they need, who can?
The problem when you start to play identity politics rather then just concentrating on making society as a whole better you twist yourselves into knots.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 6:07 am

Groucho wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 4:49 pm

To be honest unless it's absolutely critical, why would anyone make reference to skin colour, ethnicity or sexual identity? In most circumstances you would only betray your prejudice. Too many people interested in pigeon holing others.

There are votes in those pigeon holes just not enough.
If a upper middle class privately schooled white 19 year old boy can’t speak for working class black women and understand what they need, who can?
The problem when you start to play identity politics rather then just concentrating on making society as a whole better you twist yourselves into knots.

The problem when you force people to only be able to express THEIR identity in two 'shades' at opposites ends of any spectrum you might chose and deny anything in between even exits or can exist because YOU need or want that simplicity to be able to handle a universe that is in fact complex and infinite in scale and variation are to me self evident and real imo.

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 7:50 am

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 6:07 am

Groucho wrote: ↑

Sun 17 May 2020 4:49 pm

To be honest unless it's absolutely critical, why would anyone make reference to skin colour, ethnicity or sexual identity? In most circumstances you would only betray your prejudice. Too many people interested in pigeon holing others.

There are votes in those pigeon holes just not enough.
If a upper middle class privately schooled white 19 year old boy can’t speak for working class black women and understand what they need, who can?
The problem when you start to play identity politics rather then just concentrating on making society as a whole better you twist yourselves into knots.

The problem when you force people to only be able to express THEIR identity in two 'shades' at opposites ends of any spectrum you might chose and deny anything in between even exits or can exist because YOU need or want that simplicity to be able to handle a universe that is in fact complex and infinite in scale and variation are to me self evident and real imo.

My beef is with the media's and some people's need to attach labels to everyone whether or not it is pertinent to the issue at hand... I have no problem with anyone's right to identify with whatever they want. Although I have never felt the need to introduce myself as anything other than name and possibly job description if that was relevant in a professional scenario... why would I feel the need to declare that am a white British carnivore agnostic atheist Anglican ex-public-school home- owner? Yet some would feel the need to tell me they or someone else is in some demographic ... as if that ought to inform my opinion of them. Sorry but I don't need your charged baggage to make my own mind up...

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 9:30 am

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 7:50 am

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 6:07 am

There are votes in those pigeon holes just not enough.
If a upper middle class privately schooled white 19 year old boy can’t speak for working class black women and understand what they need, who can?
The problem when you start to play identity politics rather then just concentrating on making society as a whole better you twist yourselves into knots.

The problem when you force people to only be able to express THEIR identity in two 'shades' at opposites ends of any spectrum you might chose and deny anything in between even exits or can exist because YOU need or want that simplicity to be able to handle a universe that is in fact complex and infinite in scale and variation are to me self evident and real imo.

My beef is with the media's and some people's need to attach labels to everyone whether or not it is pertinent to the issue at hand... I have no problem with anyone's right to identify with whatever they want. Although I have never felt the need to introduce myself as anything other than name and possibly job description if that was relevant in a professional scenario... why would I feel the need to declare that am a white British carnivore agnostic atheist Anglican ex-public-school home- owner? Yet some would feel the need to tell me they or someone else is in some demographic ... as if that ought to inform my opinion of them. Sorry but I don't need your charged baggage to make my own mind up...

You make your beef / point very well.

My beef / point is that no one knows better what shades are important and necessary for me to be able to express who I am better than me and any attempt to limit my ability to express my identity as I want to will always lead to problems and tensions. Same is ture for you and veryuone else.

Imagine we are in a discussion and for whatever reason you consider it important to make the point that you are an ex service person. I respond with you are not a service person now and say the only thing that matters is if you are a service person or not, yes or no, black or white and you are not a service person. How frustrating would you find that ? If I decided and limit what and how you can express the parts of your identity that matter to you, that you think are relevant ?

Everything is identity politics on some level or other. It is not sensibly defined as being 'some groups being stupid about what matters to them' yet that is a common definition, with the person or people doing the choosing as to what is stupid or not, what matter or not, not being the person defined. Such things will always lead to conflict.

Examples are endless

You voted for brexit, you therefore are racist or insular or or or. You voted against it, you therefore want a united states of Europe, hate your country and think there are no problems in the EU at all. You are on the 'right' politically so you therefore are selfish and mean and callous. You are on the left politically so you therefore must be disconnected from the real world and naive. You support two state solution in Cyprus so you must therefore be a Greek or a Turk that lives in Cyprus. You support unification in Cyprus so therefore you must deny and reject you Greek or Turkish heritage. You think the response to the virus has been disproportionate to its actual risk therefore you must want immediate removal of all measure instantly. You think the virus is most deadly seen in at least a century so you must therefore be advocating total lock down until a vaccine is found.

These are all examples of 'identity politics' as far as I am concerned. All examples where conflict between parties is not even about their different views or positions. The conflict is about parties inability to even be able to express their identity, view, opinion on an issue properly because they are only 'allowed' to do so with two binary shades at the extreme ends of a given spectrum with nothing in between. Even when it is impossible to express their actual identity with just two such tones or shades.

No one knows better what and how many shades are needed to express their own personal identity than that person, because it is THEIR identity. No body else CAN know how many shades on which spectrum they need to be able to accurately express their identity in the terms that matter to them. Any time someone other than them seeks to impose such limits on how they can expresses their identity it will always lead to frustration and conflict. Whoever you are. Whatever is important to you to be able to express your identity, I believe this to be true. This is the commonality that cuts across ALL identity politics, which in reality on levels and to degrees is ALL politics.

That is my beef.

I am not suggesting that you or any individual should not self-identify, but by the same token I would not expect you to introduce yourself to me as:-

Hello, my name is Erol, I'm Cypriot, and I voted remain.

The implication that one would need to go further than your name would to me be in someway lacking in a sense of self. I don't need people to label themselves for me. You might as well roll-off a list of things you don't identify yourself as...

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 10:58 am

I am not suggesting that you or any individual should not self-identify, but by the same token I would not expect you to introduce yourself to me as:-

Hello, my name is Erol, I'm Cypriot, and I voted remain.

I just do not think this happens. I think what does happen is 'Hello I am Erol". Other party thinks, not says "Ahh I remember , Erol said he voted remain therefore he is a EU federalist, thinks the sun shines out of the EU and hates his country".

What I think also happens is - Party one - there are only two binary genders any talk of anything else is nonsense and silly and stupid. Party 2 - actually two genders may be able to describe 99.9% of people but the other .1% exists and may not fit in to that category, either physically or in terms of 'self identification'.

And for genders you can replace with any binary classification. Left or right. Pro USA, anti USA. For Brexit anti Brexit. Any binary classification by definition has to lead to denying someone the ability to be able to express their identity in ways that may be vital for them. because and unless that binary nature exists in the actual world. Like maybe 'dead or not', which is an exception of binary classifications because it reflects an underlying reality of the universe that really exits. Compared with just about every other possible binary classification that does not reflect an underlying reality of the universe, just one persons shortcut to describing the universe in terms that matter to THEM. Which is fine but becomes a problem when they then insist it must also be and can only be the way other people can identify themselves.

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 10:58 am

The implication that one would need to go further than your name would to me be in someway lacking in a sense of self. I don't need people to label themselves for me. You might as well roll-off a list of things you don't identify yourself as...

I am not explaining my point very well because you are clearly missing it. Can you not imagine ANY situation where to YOU it IS important to be able to express that you are not in the forces today but used to be ? In such a situation if someone denied that such distinction was important in any way, did not exist in fact and that the only thing that mattered or existed was 'are you in the forces - yes or no', would you not find that denial by them of your ability to express an aspect of your identity that YOU consider import, because its YOUR identity and not THEIRS, frustrating ?

Gender is I think an insightful example imo because it is one where it is easy to think that in the physicality of the universe, such binary categories are the the only two that exist. That can exist. That it is only 'self identification' that could cause someone to want more than just two tones to be able to express their gender identity. Yet the reality is that this is not the case in the physicality of the universe. There are physical exceptions to just two binary states and nothing else. In nature generally many such exceptions exist. In humans less many but they still exist none the less. Gender identity is NOT just about some weird people choosing to 'self' identify as one of the only two binary states than can exist, that they patently do not physically belong to. It is about how we all impose false binary simplifications on the world, because we have to given that we are finite and the universe is infinite but then forget that they are just simplifications and actual go on to start believing the simplifications ARE the physical reality.

You can never stop people coming to the wrong conclusion...

I suggest that you can chose to make effort not to confuse using binary classifications for simplicity and expediency with thinking that they are how underlying reality actually is. I suggest the less we all do this the less coming to wrong conclusions there will be and the less unnecessary conflict generally.

Erol is right, is very important to label the population down to 0.01% slices and this played very well in the coffee houses of Putney. The fact the selfish fascist billionaires in Durham, Wrexham, Darlington, Redcar etc put self interest first means we can keep out of power and comfortably chip in criticism from our unassailable position as a protest movement.

I can’t say how disgusted I am when I go to a toilet and only find one toilet per stall. There doesn’t seem to be the slightest consideration for conjoined twins and this imo is just one step down from segregation. As I missed out on fighting segregation I intend to fight this with every fibre of my being, any non fascists going to join me?

The practical issues of how many toilets is not the problem. The problem is the denying people the tones they need to express their identity simply because you only need 2 to express yours. If you could stop doing that then just about all the so called practical issues you love to make out are the problem would just melt away because they are not the problem, they are a consequence of it.

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 2:32 pm

The practical issues of how many toilets is not the problem. The problem is the denying people the tones they need to express their identity simply because you only need 2 to express yours. If you could stop doing that then just about all the so called practical issues you love to make out are the problem would just melt away because they are not the problem, they are a consequence of it.

There are only two tones... virtue signaller and everybody else,

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 3:47 pm

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 2:32 pm

The practical issues of how many toilets is not the problem. The problem is the denying people the tones they need to express their identity simply because you only need 2 to express yours. If you could stop doing that then just about all the so called practical issues you love to make out are the problem would just melt away because they are not the problem, they are a consequence of it.

There are only two tones... virtue signaller and everybody else,

How's the turtle project ?

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 3:49 pm

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 3:47 pm

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 2:32 pm

The practical issues of how many toilets is not the problem. The problem is the denying people the tones they need to express their identity simply because you only need 2 to express yours. If you could stop doing that then just about all the so called practical issues you love to make out are the problem would just melt away because they are not the problem, they are a consequence of it.

There are only two tones... virtue signaller and everybody else,

How's the turtle project ?

Severely understaffed... no students due to lock-down anybody wants to step-up?

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 3:56 pm

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 3:49 pm

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 3:47 pm

There are only two tones... virtue signaller and everybody else,

How's the turtle project ?

Severely understaffed... no students due to lock-down anybody wants to step-up?

I was considering it but was too worried I would be put in the 'virtue signaller' camp if I did

This is the state of Esentepe Halk Plaj today!

Groucho wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 4:01 pm

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This is the state of Esentepe Halk Plaj today!

erol wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 2:32 pm

The practical issues of how many toilets is not the problem. The problem is the denying people the tones they need to express their identity simply because you only need 2 to express yours. If you could stop doing that then just about all the so called practical issues you love to make out are the problem would just melt away because they are not the problem, they are a consequence of it.

How many genders would you say there are, I’m going with 2 but I think you can go up to 158 at the last count?
I’m just thinking of practical solutions for the tourism industry and if we can be the country that has toilets for all genders then that could be our USP.
A restaurant with 158 toilets would be a world first and clean up from this huge demographic. You are certain to get 5 star reviews from The Guardian, don’t forget to donate a pound. Slight problem of not much room left for tables or indeed a kitchen but I’m trying not to be negative.

What is happening at Esentepe beach?

SussexBoy wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 4:49 pm

What is happening at Esentepe beach?

Just as turtle nesting season should be underway the local mayor has decided now is a good time to build more structure in the habitat... which is strewn with rubbish already...

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 4:27 pm

How many genders would you say there are, I’m going with 2

What gender is Caster Semenya ?

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑

Mon 18 May 2020 4:27 pm

I’m just thinking of practical solutions for the tourism industry and if we can be the country that has toilets for all genders then that could be our USP.A restaurant with 158 toilets would be a world first and clean up from this huge demographic. You are certain to get 5 star reviews from The Guardian, don’t forget to donate a pound. Slight problem of not much room left for tables or indeed a kitchen but I’m trying not to be negative.

The idea that because you need an 'outcome' of two or three (disabled toilet ? mother and baby changing room toilet?) different public toilets this then requires you to then force people for who it is essential to their identity to recognise the physical reality that gender is not binary to only be allowed to express THEIR identity in YOUR chosen binary terms is to me patent nonsense. Stop forcing people to have to express THEIR identity in ways that make it impossible for them to be able to do so and there will be no issue over toilets. Every where will have 2 or three and every individual will use them as they see fit. The issue over who uses what is a consequence of denying people the ability to express their identity in whatever shades they need to do so not a cause.

Unisex toilets?

Or is “uni” in “unisex” a problem?

ETS: I think the NHS is wasting a lot of money on pointless jobs such as diversity councillors we could cut them out.

Erol: You want to cut doctors and nurses?? Binary binary.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑

Tue 19 May 2020 9:17 am

ETS: I think the NHS is wasting a lot of money on pointless jobs such as diversity councillors we could cut them out.

Erol: You want to cut doctors and nurses?? Binary binary.

As I have pointed out before it is easy to 'win' arguments with me when you decide what your position is AND what mine is , regardless of and entirely divorced from anything I actual have said or believe. If doing so brings you pleasure do carry on but do not be surprised if I personally see little point in such myself.

erol wrote: ↑

Tue 19 May 2020 7:08 am

What gender is Caster Semenya ?

I like joined up thinking so here is a scenario.

Someone is running a dictatorship and to forward the superiority of their methods decides to destroy their athletes health to win lots and lots of gold medals at the Olympics by pumping them full of steroids. That has never happened has it?
Well that might be getting trickier as drug testing gets more advanced but hey let's take a male weightlifter who is ranked number 47 in the world and drastically improve his chances of winning a gold medal, I wonder how we could do that?

Confident that no one is going to get killed in women's boxing?


Here's today's quiz, spot the transgender netball player? To be fair I'll let you have two guesses.

If I self identify as a five year old can I enter the fives and under egg and spoon race?
I was always crap at it as a kid but I think I might have a chance now as I've been training really hard so it would crush me to be excluded and I think quite unfair

Is the one with the "manly" shaped legs? If not then please can I have another hint?

sophie wrote: ↑

Tue 19 May 2020 3:46 pm

Is the one with the "manly" shaped legs? If not then please can I have another hint?

Ok I don’t think it’s the one not doing the hand on heart thing or the particularly dark girl but apart from that it does get tricky I admit

sophie wrote: ↑

Tue 19 May 2020 3:46 pm

Is the one with the "manly" shaped legs?

Btw I think you’ll find the phrase ‘manly shaped legs’ is judgemental and oppressive please use gender fluid non binary legs in the future. I’ll let it go this time

My niggle of this week is.... yet another TV chef mispronouncing turmeric as "choomeric",

John Torode he's Australian so has an excuse, not so Matt Tebbutt and now Freddy Forster...

In the early 1960"s my dad worked with a black man. They called him chalky he also worked with a man whose surname was White. They called him sooty. The people concerned didnt mind and it wasnt done racially. That was how it worked in south london then. I dont call myself white as i am.a pinky colour. People can call me what they like. I know who and what I am as I say to whoever I am not an oil painting more of an oil slick. I am old enough and big enough to take it I can always walk away.