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Prime Minister Ersan Saner said that 500 thousand vaccines will be brought to the country from Turkey and that 80 percent of the people will be vaccinated

Speaking at the parliament on Monday, the Premier also said that they had been discussing how 30 thousand students will come to the country as part of face to face education.

Criticising some statements regarding relations with Turkey, he stressed that there was a good relation and cooperation between the two countries.

Saner also added that new decisions would be taken by the Higher Committee for Contagious Diseases as there was an increase in local transmission cases.


https://brtk.net/pm-saner-turkey-will-p ... -for-trnc/

Yee gods, 30,000 students. The mind boggles!!!

I wonder what the vaccination plan will be, who will be prioritised and at what stage will it become available to those without a TRNC Kimlik?

Doesn't actually say which vaccine though.

Maisiemoo wrote: ↑

Wed 30 Dec 2020 10:07 am

Doesn't actually say which vaccine though.

I believe I read on LGC news that it’s the Chinese one.

https://www.yeniduzen.com/gurkut-cin-as ... 35417h.htm

Özlem Gürkut, President of the Cyprus Turkish Medical Association (KTTB), emphasized that the people who will be vaccinated about the coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccines that will come to the country should be informed about the vaccine and then vaccination should be administered. Speaking to the Turkish Agency in Cyprus (TAK), Özlem Gürkut stated that the union conveyed to the Ministry of Health officials the importance of informing the public about the vaccines to be applied in the country. As KTTB president, undersecretary of vaccinations in the Ministry of Health on 10 December, principals and Basic Health Department had attended a meeting where the chief and meeting Gürkut indicating that dealt with the planning of vaccinations will come to the country out of the EU and Turkey, he said:“Which vaccines can come, how they will be stored, to be transported, who should be given priority vaccines, calculating how many vaccines we need, where, who will apply the vaccines, and how. We emphasized that whichever vaccine comes, it should be applied after the people to be vaccinated are informed about the vaccine. " Gürkut also stated that KTTB will only approve the use of vaccines approved by organizations such as the American Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Medicines Agency (EMA), and also regarding the Chinese origin Sinovac vaccine, which has not yet received approval. he spoke as follows.“If the Chinese vaccine Sinovac in our country is to be administered without the completion of Phase 3 study results and approval, we have stated that the vaccine must be informed to the people to be vaccinated that this vaccine is a 'working vaccine' and that it must be given 'informed consent'. The Phase 3 study results on the Sinovac vaccine have not been completed and published as of today, and the vaccine has not yet been approved. If the study result is found to be safe and approved, we will be able to use this vaccine more safely. " Gürkut also expressed the view that it would be necessary and beneficial for health teams to share scientific, simple and understandable information about vaccines in cooperation with the media, educational institutions and non-governmental organizations in order to eliminate the concerns caused by the lack of knowledge about vaccines in the society. Kaynak: Gürkut: ‘Çin aşısı için kişilerden onay almalı’

In addition there is supposed to be 200,000 vaccines coming from the South as the part of the 1.5 million vaccines they are receiving from the EU. So, in reality there should be 700,000 vaccines (from different sources) available to the citizens of the TRNC. That is sufficient for 350,000 people only by the way. I would think that there will be a shortfall in vaccines of around the same number and that as TRNC citizens should quite rightly come first, the outlook for 'Yabanci" is bleak at this time.

Unless of course anyone knows differently???

In essence at least 80% of the total population of the TRNC (a figure that nobody knows) will need to be vaccinated or the whole process will fail in any case. I have no doubt that in time a vaccine will become available for general use and be able to be purchased from local chemists, but that may be a long way off yet.

The interesting part of the whole thing to me is how the airlines will act on the vaccination program, already Turkish Airlines are not allowing passengers on their aircraft who do not have a valid PCR clear test. I would expect that once the vaccination program takes off that will change to a vaccination requirement. After all, where would be the sense in allowing unvaccinated passengers into the country when the country is applying a vaccination program and vice versa of course!

Interesting times ahead in 2021 for sure.

so, be ready to sign the info paper saying
"...that this vaccine is a 'working vaccine' and that it must be given 'informed consent'. The Phase 3 study results on the Sinovac vaccine have not been completed...."
to my knowledge sinovac (and also sinopharm and sputnik V) did not even apply at American Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Medicines Agency (EMA).

i also do not believe that the south will hand over vaccines to the TC administration. why should they?
if a TC is entitled to "get a shot", they can go south.
makes sure that only "bio TCs" will get one.

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑

Wed 30 Dec 2020 2:32 pm

so, be ready to sign the info paper saying
"...that this vaccine is a 'working vaccine' and that it must be given 'informed consent'. The Phase 3 study results on the Sinovac vaccine have not been completed...."
to my knowledge sinovac (and also sinopharm and sputnik V) did not even apply at American Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Medicines Agency (EMA).

i also do not believe that the south will hand over vaccines to the TC administration. why should they?
if a TC is entitled to "get a shot", they can go south.
makes sure that only "bio TCs" will get one.

My goodness your glass must be permanently half empty... thankfully mine is always half full, and I prefer a positive stance in life. We shall overcome...some day.... I know in my heart.. we shall overcome some day..... Pete Seeger x

Some prefer to face life full on, looking at both sides of the equation, so that we can be ready for “most” of life’s little pitfalls and troubles. That is one way of looking at life of course, there are other ways to just rub along in the hopes that it will all work out in the end, some call it the Ostrich approach - lol. Both ways work for those who want to use them and only the way you choose is the right way for you!

So everyone’s glass is half full to them even if it appears half empty to others in reality?

Then again I suppose having a friendly neighbourhood chemist on hand will help to keep your glass half full as well - lol. Good luck and stay safe.

mrsgee wrote: ↑

Wed 30 Dec 2020 10:13 pm

My goodness your glass must be permanently half empty... thankfully mine is always half full, and I prefer a positive stance in life. We shall overcome...some day.... I know in my heart.. we shall overcome some day..... Pete Seeger x

The trick is to predict everything is a disaster and when the occasional disaster hits you'll be Nostradamus.

In the 70s we had Ice Ages, worldwide famines and the oil running out all confidently predicted but if you bring them up now you'll be called off topic and quickly rushed along to their latest doomsday prediction.

Its a bit like Corbyn. For 40 years he has voted against everything. Parliament wants to congratulate the England cricket team he'll vote against it. As well as being a Marxist who can't fit into a democratic Parliament he is a professional contrarian.
Occasionally he will have picked the right side in the same way that occasionally a broken clock tells the right time. Those few occasions will be heralded by his supporters as being on the right side of history while they ignore all the hundreds of votes that were either simply attention grabbing nonsense or potentially disastrous had he had found enough idiots to vote with him.

mrsgee,
my glas is always 25% empty only.
fuller as yours.
stupid rhetorical, same as the (how many times stated at kibkom??? ) rubbish with nostradamus / clocks/ corbyn.

the 80% chinese sinopharm vaccine today got a conditionally approvement from chinese gov. where sinovac stays.. nobody knows.
chinese gov also says their nuclear power stations are safe and air pollution in beijing is ok.

btw, I (we)'ll Overcome Someday was written around 1901 by son of a slave black Rev Dr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Albert_Tindley

happy new year.

"...a professional contrarian."
At last! It has finally been revealed that Jeremy Corbyn is posting regularly on this forum....

Enjoying The Sun, its 2021 and Jeremy Corbyn is history, get over it and move on.

Medjoul1 wrote: ↑

Fri 01 Jan 2021 8:13 am

Enjoying The Sun, its 2021 and Jeremy Corbyn is history, get over it and move on.

Just explaining how it works for the naive.

I'm sure the entryists will be bringing someone similar into the frame once they've knocked out Starmer.
They aren't going to give up now having got closer than they ever have to power.

Quite what all of this has to do with the topic beats me but then it looks like the New Year will be the same as the old year with the same old protagonists sparring endlessly. Time to start an ignore list I think.

Chriswright03 wrote: ↑

Fri 01 Jan 2021 11:10 am

Quite what all of this has to do with the topic beats me but then it looks like the New Year will be the same as the old year with the same old protagonists sparring endlessly. Time to start an ignore list I think.

It amuses me that some will take a subject off topic to get in their usual digs but if I pull them up on it I've taken the subject off topic.

I never said you were responsible. It is quite possible that others have taken topics off on a tangent but 'some' are always there to carry it on ad infinitum.

waddo wrote: ↑

Wed 30 Dec 2020 12:53 pm

In addition there is supposed to be 200,000 vaccines coming from the South as the part of the 1.5 million vaccines they are receiving from the EU. So, in reality there should be 700,000 vaccines (from different sources) available to the citizens of the TRNC. That is sufficient for 350,000 people only by the way. I would think that there will be a shortfall in vaccines of around the same number and that as TRNC citizens should quite rightly come first, the outlook for 'Yabanci" is bleak at this time.

I think those most clinically in need should come first (I am right down the list BTW). If you protect those most likely to become critical first you can open up the economy and help all those who are struggling. Then open up the border with PCR and Vaccine/quarantine requirements and start tourism in time for the spring.

Alternatively give everyone 1 dose (- young children) and the clinically most at need a second dose though I am not sure how effective the Sinovac is on 1 dose.

iam still looking for a source that south cyprus will receive 1,5 million doses from the EU.

i found 50k for december, + 80 k for 1st quarter from german biontech, the only one approved yet.
around 6th of january american moderna may join, with somewhat similar amounts.
for UK Astra and others they have to wait, for known reasons.
german Curevac maybe ready late 2nd, 3rd quarter 2021, Johnson is late, and Sanofi even later, maybe never...

the "1 jab, but the 2nd jab 3 month or more later" strategy is neither approved by biontech, nor moderna, nor astra, nor anyone and neither applied for nor approved by FDA/EMA (nor UK).
this strategy is pure despair and takes manufacturers completely out of responsibility, same as any emergency approval and "signatures on letters" (as suggested for sinovac from TRNC health ministry).
i also do not know what, eg, a 62% efficiency will give us, eg in retirement homes. or for me as an individual.
eg, even with a 80% jab (on 2 doses) you still have a 1 to 5 chance to catch the virus and you have to vaccinate around 90% of the population to end the pandemic (roughly 8(0) x 9(0) = 72 % (herd immunity), with a 95% jab everything is much quicker and also much safer for the single individual.
we have no clue what Sinovacs efficiency is on 2 shots, nor on 1 shot only. the the PI/II/III process till now is non-transparent.

and even if SC will receive 1,5 million doses (in 2021), this would be sufficient for 750k citizens with a population of 1,2 million.
RoC website says: The vaccine will be provided free of charge to all citizens who so wish
so, we can guess, but most probably only TCs with RoC citizenship will receive a vaccine, no matter as of biontech, moderna or eg, astra or curevac.
and, as far as i know, the TRNC tender for a -70 freezer was out last week. i wonder who will make it (and for what price), as to my knowledge they are completely sold out.

Something is better than nothing.

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑

Sun 03 Jan 2021 11:41 am

iam still looking for a source that south cyprus will receive 1,5 million doses from the EU.

i found 50k for december, + 80 k for 1st quarter from german biontech, the only one approved yet.
around 6th of january american moderna may join, with somewhat similar amounts.
for UK Astra and others they have to wait, for known reasons.
german Curevac maybe ready late 2nd, 3rd quarter 2021, Johnson is late, and Sanofi even later, maybe never...

the "1 jab, but the 2nd jab 3 month or more later" strategy is neither approved by biontech, nor moderna, nor astra, nor anyone and neither applied for nor approved by FDA/EMA (nor UK).
this strategy is pure despair and takes manufacturers completely out of responsibility, same as any emergency approval and "signatures on letters" (as suggested for sinovac from TRNC health ministry).
i also do not know what, eg, a 62% efficiency will give us, eg in retirement homes. or for me as an individual.
eg, even with a 80% jab (on 2 doses) you still have a 1 to 5 chance to catch the virus and you have to vaccinate around 90% of the population to end the pandemic (roughly 8(0) x 9(0) = 72 % (herd immunity), with a 95% jab everything is much quicker and also much safer for the single individual.
we have no clue what Sinovacs efficiency is on 2 shots, nor on 1 shot only. the the PI/II/III process till now is non-transparent.

and even if SC will receive 1,5 million doses (in 2021), this would be sufficient for 750k citizens with a population of 1,2 million.
RoC website says: The vaccine will be provided free of charge to all citizens who so wish
so, we can guess, but most probably only TCs with RoC citizenship will receive a vaccine, no matter as of biontech, moderna or eg, astra or curevac.
and, as far as i know, the TRNC tender for a -70 freezer was out last week. i wonder who will make it (and for what price), as to my knowledge they are completely sold out.

This info so far... https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/12/18/coro ... committee/

Turkey have bought the China vaccine

Turkey has bought ONE of the china vaccines, Sinovac.

Walesforever wrote: ↑

Tue 05 Jan 2021 7:32 pm

Turkey have bought the China vaccine

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑

Tue 05 Jan 2021 9:11 pm

Turkey has bought ONE of the china vaccines, Sinovac.

Your point being???

walesforever
Your point being???

well, yes, sorry, with reg to the other thread.... Sinovac is not approved yet

china has five candidates in phase 3 work, from Sinopharm (CNBG) two vaccines , each one from Anhui Zhifei Longcom Biologic Pharmacy, Sinovac und Cansino.
datas for all chineses vaccines are not or insufficiently supplied.

transparency is the only way not to end up with too many anti-vaxers.

iam definitely not an anti-vaxer, but sinovac (and others..) ?... hmmm

Any news on any TRNC covid vaccination programme ?

no, not yet.
but some more useful info:
Turkey announced that they are in mRNA sars cov 2 vaccine business.
they said, " we are 8 month behind biontech/moderna" and, as far as i understood, just finished "animal testing" and want to start testing at human beings soon.
that means P1, to be followed by P2 and P3.
nevertheless they announced that "we expect to be ready for supply to our people in summer 2020".
how many doses they did not say.
it gets wilder and wilder....

good news:
TRNC prime minister Ersin Tatar said: from an "internally based friend of mine", I got an opinion on the Chinese vaccine and took a positive approach".
bingo. we can start vaccination.

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑

Mon 11 Jan 2021 2:49 pm

good news:
TRNC prime minister Ersin Tatar said: from an "internally based friend of mine", I got an opinion on the Chinese vaccine and took a positive approach".
bingo. we can start vaccination.

Did you miss the i out in based?

Deleted at Kibsolar's request

But not necessarily all 6 symptoms at the same time. Loss of smell and taste isn't an automatic symptom surely ?

sophie wrote: ↑

Tue 12 Jan 2021 8:41 am

But not necessarily all 6 symptoms at the same time. Loss of smell and taste isn't an automatic symptom surely ?

Don’t know just put up what a friend forwarded to me which he received from a hospital he visited because I thought people might find some of the advice useful.
I would guess that the more of the symptoms you have the more likely it is? But again you could just have a bad cold

Extract taken from the NHS website

Main symptoms

The main symptoms of coronavirus are:

a high temperature – this means you feel hot to touch on your chest or back (you do not need to measure your temperature)

a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste – this means you've noticed you cannot smell or taste anything, or things smell or taste different to normal

Most people with coronavirus have at least 1 of these symptoms.

.....what a friend forwarded to me which he received from a hospital he visited because I thought people might find some of the advice useful.

useful? what about having a gin tonic, or two, preferable without tonic?
tbh, it sounds more like helplessness / bankruptcy.
the UK heads straight forward to the 100.000.....

sophie, if in these times you can not smell or taste you should be on high alert.... covid is tricky.....

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑

Tue 12 Jan 2021 12:10 pm

.....what a friend forwarded to me which he received from a hospital he visited because I thought people might find some of the advice useful.

useful? what about having a gin tonic, or two, preferable without tonic?
tbh, it sounds more like helplessness / bankruptcy.
the UK heads straight forward to the 100.000.....

sophie, if in these times you can not smell or taste you should be on high alert.... covid is tricky.....

Well let’s see. The advice was taking vitamin C, D3, E, drink 1.5 litres of water a day, maybe gargle with some betadine. Eat more pineapples, garlic, watercress that kind of thing. Might not help but won’t do any harm will it? Maybe even help some very frightened people. At no point did I say it would make you immune or cure covid. In fact all I did was forward it without amendment. I have no reason to believe it isn’t genuine and even if it isn’t it doesn’t say drink bleach and you’ll have no problems.
But as you object and should be the arbiter of all posts I will delete the post, after all I wouldn't want you reporting me to the mods as a fascist would i?
I leave it to you to excitedly keep a running count of deaths and gleefully report them for obvious reasons.

what are you talking about?
the only thing i mentioned is that the advice sound sort of helpless.
sort of: pls do not come to the hospital, we are full.
oxigen at home!! wtf has oxigen at home?

i DID NOT request that you delete your post. and pls do not blame "cancel culture". thank you.

i do not "excitedly keep a running count of deaths and gleefully report them for obvious reasons" but maybe i was just a bit more realistic and at least i know now that you do have a good memory.

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑

Tue 12 Jan 2021 1:24 pm

what are you talking about?
the only thing i mentioned is that the advice sound sort of helpless.
sort of: pls do not come to the hospital, we are full.
oxigen at home!! wtf has oxigen at home?

i DID NOT request that you delete your post. and pls do not blame "cancel culture". thank you.

i do not "excitedly keep a running count of deaths and gleefully report them for obvious reasons" but maybe i was just a bit more realistic and at least i know now that you do have a good memory.

I deleted the post because you insinuated that it would do more harm then good.

Oxygen at home? I know a lot of people in the UK that now have a small oxygen canister at home. Maybe they have the weird idea that if suddenly your breathing got in trouble that might just keep you going until an ambulance got to you?
As for the hospitals maybe they are pointing out that people have a variety of degrees and outcomes when they catch this virus from death to people having had it and not even known they had it?
Maybe hospitals are saying that if you are experiencing minor symptoms you could do Xyz because if you came to hospital with your degree of symptoms we wouldn't be doing anymore than that for you anyway.
Also don't overwhelm us until you have to. EG coming in with a broken nose if say we are dealing with a major accident involving thousands of people isn't terribly helpful to us.
Maybe they are buying into prevention is better than cure and if you do xyz you will improve your chances in catching this virus or diminish the symptoms. I don't know I like you am not a doctor.
But I guess if you are hoping the NHS gets overwhelmed or the death count goes up so you can politicise it and blame Johnson or Hancock I can see how the advice might upset you.