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Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:37 am**

Does anyone know from when the new rules apply, ref antigen/ PCR tests for entry into restaurants and bars?

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:53 am**

Logic would say from Monday; but since when has logic ever been applied here or the UK when it comes to covid.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:04 am**

If Monday then we can watch the football.
If NOW then there is going to be a sudden rush to get tested!

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:16 am**

Not by me; they can shove their testing.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:39 am**

The full new rules - not that some people will be interested - are on Yeniduzen now. All take effect from Monday, so it should be safe to go out and spread or catch whatever is your choice of variant. Whilst obeying the normal bar social distancing of 2cm between and of course no hugging, kissing or crying - dependent on your chosen result - without the need for a free antigen test or PCR test. Border crossing rules “currently” remain the same but are being discussed in the coming days!

Have fun, stay safe and best of luck in the coming weeks as the infection rate continues to rise.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 12:27 pm**

So basically they are saying the vaccines don’t really work?

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 12:54 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 12:27 pm
So basically they are saying the vaccines don’t really work?

Imho trying to reduce things down to a binary 'the vaccines either work 100% or they do not work at all' is not helpful at all.

The evidence is that vaccination provides a significant reduction in your chance of ending up hospitalised or dead should you contract covid, including the delta and lambda variants. The exact degree of increased protection from hospitalisation and or death varies depending on the specific vaccine received and the variant caught but they are all providing significant degrees of protection against all know current variants re your chances of ending up hospitalised / dead.

There is also strong evidence that your chance of contracting the virus in the first place is materially reduced by vaccination but this is much harder to know and measure with the same degree of certainty.

What is also clear from the RoC and UK and other places is that vaccination alone at the levels seen in such places to date is not sufficient to stop the number of new positive cases increasing in the face of the increased virulence seen with the delta and lambda variants. The so called 'herd immunity' whereby the virus has so few victims it is able to infect that it dies out entirely.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:21 pm**

A friend of mine contracted the virus and was admitted to the Pandemic hospital yesterday. He was in a small room with 50 people with symptons worse than his and most had been vaccinated with all the different varieties and have all contracted teh virus. If you want to know whether the virus works all you have to do is look at the procedures for flying from one country to another, you still have to have pcr tests and quarantine in a lot of countries. England will lockdown again in the winter guaranteed. Boris said last time that thhere was no need to lockdown again when he announced that the vaccines were working and then soon after they locked down.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:28 pm**

Cant see anything in the news including Yeniduzen that say when it starts. All the papers are the same.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:33 pm**

Turkishcypriot wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:28 pm
Cant see anything in the news including Yeniduzen that say when it starts. All the papers are the same.

Why not try looking at the official government website https://saglik.gov.ct.tr/TRAVEL-RULES ?

REVISED COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS/MEASURES (08.07.2021)

The up to date country colour codes table will take effect on the Monday after it is published by our committee.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:39 pm**

It would help if everyone actually had the vaccine as well, some can't have it due medical reasons and many other avoid it at all costs. For the vaccine to work it has to have a chance of working and not be supported instead. No vaccine is 100% but they will all give you a fighting chance of living instead of a fighting chance of dying, up to you in the end.

I take the fighting chance of living over the chance of dying myself that in the knowledge that this virus will change many, many times in an effort to kill itself - if it can kill the host it has done what it set out to do. For myself, I can not see the point of the PCR tests, they show either Positive or Negative at that particular time only - an hour or less later they may well be the opposite, like the MOT test.

Basically they are not saying that the vaccines do not work - what they are saying is that people are not following the rules to safeguard themselves and others. But they are trying to be polite about it!!!

Problem I have found with Yeniduzen is that they will edit/amend the web version quite often, you can read one thing at 09:00 and at 10:00 an updated version is in its place. I did read the bit about the new rules starting on Monday - not a senior moment honest - lol.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:48 pm**

Turkishcypriot wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:21 pm
A friend of mine contracted the virus and was admitted to the Pandemic hospital yesterday. He was in a small room with 50 people with symptons worse than his and most had been vaccinated with all the different varieties and have all contracted teh virus. If you want to know whether the virus works all you have to do is look at the procedures for flying from one country to another, you still have to have pcr tests and quarantine in a lot of countries. England will lockdown again in the winter guaranteed. Boris said last time that thhere was no need to lockdown again when he announced that the vaccines were working and then soon after they locked down.

IMHO this kind of post is just irresponsible.

Try to understand that if a vaccine has an efficacy of 90% re your chance of being hospitalised from covid, then in a country that had vaccinated everyone there would still be people hospitalised from covid and ALL of them would have been vaccinated. This would not mean the vaccines 'do not work'. Drawing a conclusion that 'the vaccines do not work re ending up hospitalised' because your mate has told you that 'most people in the pandemic hospital had been vaccinated' is misguided and imo dangerous to boot in multiple ways.

For credible evidence that vaccination provides significant statistical protection from dying from covid you just have to look at the figures in the UK for daily new cases detected compared with numbers of daily deaths.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:55 pm**

People who have been double jabbed
Andrew Marr
Caught infection outside the G7 inner ring
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 2:17 pm**

wanderer wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:55 pm
People who have been double jabbed
Andrew Marr
Caught infection outside the G7 inner ring
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57640550

and ?

there will have been people in the UK in the last week who will have been hospitalised or even killed in road traffic accidents. What is more some of the would have been wearing seat belts. Almost certainly a majority of them would have been wearing seat belts. Do you conclude then that seat belts 'do not work' in terms of reducing your chance of ending up hospitalised or dead from a road traffic accident ?

Seat belts will not guarantee that you will not ever end up hospitalised or dead from a road traffic accident but they DO statistically reduce the chance that you will should you be in a rta.

Vaccination against covid will not guarantee you can never catch covid or having caught it end up in hospital or dead. All the credible statistical evidence shows that the current covid vaccines do statistically reduce your chance of catching covid and if you do catch it of ending up hospitalised or dead.

I do sometimes wonder what is more deadly, covid or people's inability to comprehend properly. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:11 pm**

So I guess we are going to have a queue of 100 people going for their weekly test and one person administering the test?

Should be good training for when electric cars are compulsory and take 8 hours to charge for a 50 mile round trip in the one charging point per town which will be occasionally powered by the wind.

Well no one ever had any intention of voting them in but with patience they got power anyhow.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:39 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:48 pm

Turkishcypriot wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 1:21 pm
A friend of mine contracted the virus and was admitted to the Pandemic hospital yesterday. He was in a small room with 50 people with symptons worse than his and most had been vaccinated with all the different varieties and have all contracted teh virus. If you want to know whether the virus works all you have to do is look at the procedures for flying from one country to another, you still have to have pcr tests and quarantine in a lot of countries. England will lockdown again in the winter guaranteed. Boris said last time that thhere was no need to lockdown again when he announced that the vaccines were working and then soon after they locked down.
IMHO this kind of post is just irresponsible.

Try to understand that if a vaccine has an efficacy of 90% re your chance of being hospitalised from covid, then in a country that had vaccinated everyone there would still be people hospitalised from covid and ALL of them would have been vaccinated. This would not mean the vaccines 'do not work'. Drawing a conclusion that 'the vaccines do not work re ending up hospitalised' because your mate has told you that 'most people in the pandemic hospital had been vaccinated' is misguided and imo dangerous to boot in multiple ways.

For credible evidence that vaccination provides significant statistical protection from dying from covid you just have to look at the figures in the UK for daily new cases detected compared with numbers of daily deaths.

Your last paragraph sums up the effect of having the vaccine.

Yes new cases in the U.K. are rising, that is a fact. However a couple of things to consider are that the Covid track and trace app and system does make a difference to the number of new cases being detected. Also anyone in the U.K. can request a lateral flow Covid test kit. Whilst not as accurate as a PCR test it is another method of testing and gaining statistics on infection rates, areas seeing rises etc.

Without getting all political, the vaccination rollout programme in the U.K. is a fantastic achievement and is the reason why despite rising cases, deaths are now very low compared to the second wave last winter.

I will say I am biased of course as I have been a volunteer at an NHS Mass Vaccination Centre since it opened in January. In the first couple of months we saw the very elderly and vulnerable coming in, now it’s those 18yrs and older, plus walk ins of first and second doses. Whilst it has been a terrible 18mths there is now an air of positivity.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:52 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:11 pm
So I guess we are going to have a queue of 100 people going for their weekly test and one person administering the test?

Guess what you like. Or as an alternative maybe look at the actual reality to date as a guide to possible futures. In order to be able to run the KAR bookstall at Lambousa market and to volunteer at the Tulips charity shop my wife has been having weekly free PCR tests for months now. It takes a few minutes. It is a credit to the TRNC authorities how efficiently this has been managed to date imo. In order to visit the south earlier in the week I had to get a free antigen test. It took a couple of minutes to apply online. I was assigned a lab in Girne to go to for the test. There was no queue at all. Within a minute of two of arriving I had had the swab stuck up my nose and down my throat and was on my way. Within 20 minutes I had been texted the result and the information needed to print off the form I needed to cross to the south. Still what does actual experience to date tell us about possible futures when compared to your Cassandra guesses ?

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 4:13 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:52 pm

Guess what you like. Or as an alternative maybe look at the actual reality to date as a guide to possible futures. In order to be able to run the KAR bookstall at Lambousa market and to volunteer at the Tulips charity shop my wife has been having weekly free PCR tests for months now. It takes a few minutes. It is a credit to the TRNC authorities how efficiently this has been managed to date imo. In order to visit the south earlier in the week I had to get a free antigen test. It took a couple of minutes to apply online. I was assigned a lab in Girne to go to for the test. There was no queue at all. Within a minute of two of arriving I had had the swab stuck up my nose and down my throat and was on my way. Within 20 minutes I had been texted the result and the information needed to print off the form I needed to cross to the south. Still what does actual experience to date tell us about possible futures when compared to your Cassandra guesses ?

Yep the system will work for low usage. And when people have to have a test to go to the supermarket, can you see a bit more take up?
This is never going to end.
How long before children have to have a compulsory jab? That'll start before the end of the year

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 4:22 pm**

Soner,
positivity... yes. but not much more.

the delta variant is massively active in the UK since approx mid may and by this time approx 30% of all UK citizens were jabbed twice.
mainly younger are now affected, with a lower mortality rate. yes, true.

we do have this discussion here in germany as well... "shall we take it a bit easier?", because, today, we do have a double jabbed quote of nearly 42% and soon much higher, so, we are in a much better position as in mid may the UK was...
the answer is: basically no.
why? "barmer" health insurance (9 million) said that 6,4% of all positiv covid cases have been sick for longer than 6 weeks.
and, because we have to protect the younger and the children. it is estimated that 1-4 % will need hospitalisation and 7-10% suffer from post covid in all variations, more or less same as adults.
what the exact mortality will be with the delta variant is not known yet, as especially the younger will be much longer in hospital and will fight much longer for their lives as the elderly......

and, to come to NC.. approx 20% of the population is double jabbed only... and delta did arrive....

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 5:25 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 4:13 pm
Yep the system will work for low usage. And when people have to have a test to go to the supermarket, can you see a bit more take up?This is never going to end. How long before children have to have a compulsory jab?

Straw man after straw man after straw man. Talk about project fear ! Has the TRNC authorities actually proposed that you will need a test to go to the supermarket ? Have they proposed that ANYONE should be compelled to have a vaccine , let alone children ? Has ANY country made such a proposal or rule anywhere in the world for even adults let alone children.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 4:13 pm
That'll start before the end of the year

No it will not and only someone with 'extreme' views would believe or push such an idea imo. I still remember some of your confident predictions from previous discussions here and how abjectly wrong they have now proven to be. Seemingly you do not.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 5:33 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 5:25 pm

Straw man after straw man after straw man. Talk about project fear ! Has the TRNC authorities actually proposed that you will need a test to go to the supermarket ? Have they proposed that ANYONE should be compelled to have a vaccine , let alone children ? Has ANY country made such a proposal or rule anywhere in the world for even adults let alone children.

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 4:13 pm
That'll start before the end of the year
No it will not and only someone with 'extreme' views would believe or push such an idea imo. I still remember some of your confident predictions from previous discussions here and how abjectly wrong they have now proven to be. Seemingly you do not.

Let's wait and see

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:35 pm**

Interesting that people are worried that “Children” will have to have a compulsory jab by the end of the year - why not?

First, what age is a “Children” ? BBC news glibly write about children, teenagers, youngsters and adults whilst giving out their ages across a broad spectrum. When is a child a child, when is a teenager an adult?

As a child (somewhere between 0 and 4 years old - 1947 to 1951) I was compulsory jabbed with the measles thing along with the TABT stuff and because we then emigrated to Canada I was compulsory jabbed with other stuff - too young then to remember what it was! Later in life @ 15.5 years old I joined the Military and was immediately subjected to more vials full of unknown substances that, in the words of the DI were “Stop moaning lad, it’s all good for you”.
Well, like it or not, at 74 I am still here and apart from a dose of malaria I have never caught anything else!

So what is the big problem with “Children” being vaccinated with a potentially life saving anti virus? Or has the World just gone soft over the years and is now more afraid of rumours and Facebook Facts than anything else?

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:47 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 5:33 pm
Let's wait and see

Like we have with all your previous predictions made that have subsequently proven to be wrong but are now forgotten and have not changed your starting viewpoint one iota ?

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:53 pm**

Waddo, let’s stick to facts, how many children have died from covid?
Many elderly people have a yearly flu jab, how many children have a yearly flu jab?
Let’s say a child is 18 and under for arguments sake.
The average age of people dying from this in the U.K. is what 81, 82?

Remember we started this gig because we needed to protect the old and vulnerable and not overwhelm our health services.
The great thing out here in TRNC is we get more details on the people who have died ‘with’ covid in the paper.
“So and so, 93 fitted with a pace maker and being treated for lung cancer has died from covid.”
I mean his family must have been stunned. I bet they had at least another 15 years of birthday cards already bought.

It was never going to stop at the old and vulnerable and will never stop at that. My main problem with the lockdown was I could never see an exit strategy and I’m still struggling to see one.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:55 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Like we have with all your previous predictions made that have subsequently proven to be wrong but are now forgotten and have not changed your starting viewpoint one iota ?

What like the 10-15 point conservative lead disappearing? Seems to be hanging in there at the moment

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:02 pm**

ETS, I still ask what is the problem with “Children” being vaccinated? You can twist the facts as much as you like and present endless reams of statistics that prove beyond any doubt that more “elderly” have died from Covid or Covid related infections than “Children” but it carries no water! Unless of course you are happy that only 1 Child - World wide - has died from Covid or Covid related infection! For me 1 Child, 1 Child too many that might have been saved if it had been given the vaccine.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:32 pm**

waddo wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:02 pm
ETS, I still ask what is the problem with “Children” being vaccinated? You can twist the facts as much as you like and present endless reams of statistics that prove beyond any doubt that more “elderly” have died from Covid or Covid related infections than “Children” but it carries no water! Unless of course you are happy that only 1 Child - World wide - has died from Covid or Covid related infection! For me 1 Child, 1 Child too many that might have been saved if it had been given the vaccine.

In utopia of course every child would have the opportunity to be vaccinated against everything. ( If of course the parents are happy with the child receiving all these vaccines). I am not convinced every parents would want this. We do not vaccinate children against flu unless it’s very exceptional circumstances such as underlying medical conditions. It is also a proven fact that children are statistically very unlikely to develop severe Covid and then die from the disease.

Today on R4 here in the U.K. a comprehensive study of children who contracted Covid showed they were at minimal risk.

The line has to be drawn somewhere or else we will never stop vaccinating, giving boosters and living in a climate of fear. The TRNC must do what is right for its citizens, but they must have a planned exit strategy. For the U.K. it is the vaccination programme.

The ONS Latest info shows whilst infection rates rise, hospital admissions are very low. Interestingly the number of deaths for all reasons in England and Wales has fallen to a 5 year low compared to corresponding weeks in previous years.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2020-03-26

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:49 pm**

waddo wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 7:02 pm

Unless of course you are happy that only 1 Child - World wide - has died from Covid or Covid related infection! For me 1 Child, 1 Child too many that might have been saved if it had been given the vaccine.

The elderly do die. The young do die but statistically it’s rare but it happens.
We’ve all watched the Euros and seen a 29 year old player nearly die from a heart attack.
Now can you imagine how many weekly medical tests these footballers have? This particular player was transferred only 18 months ago for millions. How many medical tests do you think the buying club put him though? Money no object. But somehow he had an underlying issue that was missed. Not missed by a GP putting a stethoscope to his chest because he might have been feeling run down. It was missed by a team of very expensive medical experts using state of the art equipment when he is in a treadmill etc etc. And these tests are on going through a player’s career.
He still had a heart attack this super fit 29 year old had a heart attack and was lucky not to die.
Now that would have been a tragedy but what do we do? Fit every person in the world with a pace maker because of what can only be described as a tragic fluke?

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 8:15 pm**

To get back to the original question of “New rules, application from” - I am happy to share information from an email I received from the BRS tonight - just sharing please remember as I can not find anything anywhere else to confirm this statement:

“the following rules will be introduced as of 20:59pm on Sunday 11th of July”

Those following rules were a repeat of information already released on Yeniduzen.

Sorry, but I have not watched nor have any interest in the Euros so have no knowledge of that incident but it bears no relevance to vaccination of “Children” anyway.

As for statistics, we are all aware of the saying - There are lies, damned lies and statistics - they only prove what somebody wants them to prove in the end! ETS wants to say a child is one who is 18 or under, my they grow up so fast these days! So at 18 plus 1 day they are now adult and can make their own decisions, prior to that 24 hours then an adult has to make decisions for them?

I give up, it is a circular discussion that will go nowhere. Let me say that I am for 100% vaccination and leave it at that. A single death from a possibly preventable disease is one too many in anybody’s book.

Posted: **Fri 09 Jul 2021 9:19 pm**

Waddo - why would you want a child to take an experimental medical intervention (it is in trial phase until 2023) when they are statistically extremely unlikely to become seriously ill with CV19 - they will be more at risk from an adverse reaction to the injection than they would be to CV19?

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 4:24 am**

CPFC, As you are already on record as being against compulsory vaccination and if previous explanations are insufficient alongside unproven “statistical” evidence of risk of adverse reaction in children, there is no point in my trying to explain further.

Do I take it that you remain unvaccinated or have you accepted the risks of adverse reactions yourself?

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 6:53 am**

yesterday i saw an interview with a childrens cardiologist, head of a new "children post covid center".
with 10 or max 20% of all children infected, they estimated that 30.000 children suffer from post covid already.

but it seems that "the adults" are only interested in partys, do not want to wear masks, looking football in big crowds or want to travel as much as they can... or whatever.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 7:24 am**

Waddo - there have been over 1m reports of adverse reactions to the injections in the UK alone - you are very naive to believe that there will not be adverse reactions in children as this has already been reported in the US. I have no idea how old you are and I assume you have weighed up the risks of CV19 against the risk of injury from the vaccine but, in my opinion, the risk reward ratio for children is not worth the risk.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 8:47 am**

I leave it to the experts:

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1687

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/first ... d-12-15-eu

Do I take it that you remain unvaccinated or have you accepted the risks of adverse reactions yourself - I ask again?

Message 22 above provides all my information, including age.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 8:57 am**

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:37 am
Does anyone know from when the new rules apply, ref antigen/ PCR tests for entry into restaurants and bars?

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 9:30 am**

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:37 am
Does anyone know from when the new rules apply, ref antigen/ PCR tests for entry into restaurants and bars?

Monday 12 th July.

https://saglik.gov.ct.tr/TRAVEL-RULES

The outdoor areas and a maximum of one third of the indoor areas of restaurants, patisseries, cafes and taverns and takeaway services will continue to be used. Tables must be placed 2 metres apart. Customers received in the indoor areas must have a negative PCR/antigen test conducted from within the last 7 days if they are vaccinated, and from within the last 72 hours if they are unvaccinated. People working in these sectors must wear masks and will repeat their PCR/antigen tests once every 7 days. Live music can be performed in the outdoor areas of restaurants, patisseries, cafes and taverns. Musicians who will perform live music will repeat their PCR tests once every 7 days. It is mandatory to comply with the specified rules and if it is determined that they are not being adhered to, then criminal proceedings will be applied in accordance with Article 43 (6) of the Communicable Diseases Law 45/2018. In addition, a letter of undertaking will be signed by these sectors.

Bars and clubs can continue their activities on the condition that outdoor and a maximum of one-third of their indoor areas are used. There will be 2 metres between bistros. The number of customers allowed will be determined according to the size of the outdoor area so that there is one person per 2m2. Customers received in the indoor and outdoor areas of these sectors must have a negative PCR/antigen test conducted from within the last 7 days if they are vaccinated, and from within the last 72 hours if they are unvaccinated. People working in these sectors must wear masks and will repeat PCR once every 7 days. In addition, a letter of undertaking will be signed by these sectors.

The outdoor areas and a maximum of one third of the indoor areas of coffee shops, coffee houses, cafeterias, and clubhouses will be used. It is required that tables will be place 2 metres apart. Customers received in the indoor areas must have a negative PCR/antigen test conducted from within the last 7 days if they are vaccinated, and from within the last 72 hours if they are unvaccinated. People working in these sectors must wear masks and repeat their PCR/antigen tests once every 7 days. It is mandatory to comply with the specified rules and if it is determined that they are not being adhered to, then criminal proceedings will be applied in accordance with Article 43 (6) of the Communicable Diseases Law 45/2018. In addition, a letter of undertaking will be signed by these sectors.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 9:43 am**

Erol, I note the date when the above comes into effect and just wonder from where and how the BRS got the information I posted above - “the following rules will be introduced as of 20:59pm on Sunday 11th of July” as I can not find that specific time/date anywhere. I must admit to only trusting the information available on the Gov't web sites myself.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 10:02 am**

waddo wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 9:43 am
Erol, I note the date when the above comes into effect and just wonder from where and how the BRS got the information I posted above - “the following rules will be introduced as of 20:59pm on Sunday 11th of July” as I can not find that specific time/date anywhere. I must admit to only trusting the information available on the Gov't web sites myself.

https://saglik.gov.ct.tr/TRAVEL-RULES

All I can see on the English version of the official government website above is

The up to date country colour codes table will take effect on the Monday after it is published by our committee.

These latest measure including the change of country colour classification was published 08.07.2021.

I do not know where the BRS got its 9pm Sunday night from. There is nothing on the official government site I give the link to above about such a date and time. The only mention of coming in to force is the quote I give above.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 10:25 am**

Same here, I can find no proof anywhere of a time on Sunday - maybe a BRS translation error? Time (no pun intended) will tell, take care out there.

Just a thought that may make sense of the whole thing - why would you give a time of 20:59pm? A mix of time designator there? Perhaps if they meant 23:59 then it would make sense? A case of simple finger trouble perhaps!

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 10:33 am**

kibsolar1999 wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 6:53 am
yesterday i saw an interview with a childrens cardiologist, head of a new "children post covid center".
with 10 or max 20% of all children infected, they estimated that 30.000 children suffer from post covid already.

Wouldn't be surprised if the figure isn't a lot higher. Children are walking petri dishes. They catch it stay in bed for a couple of days and feel better, end of. How many children have died purely from covid?
What we have is a nation that has been terrified by this virus who are frightened to go out of their house because they think they are going to die.
Now those people want children to be vaccinated. Its not for the children's benefit its because they are terrified for themselves.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 10:42 am**

waddo wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 8:15 pm

As for statistics, we are all aware of the saying - There are lies, damned lies and statistics - they only prove what somebody wants them to prove in the end! ETS wants to say a child is one who is 18 or under, my they grow up so fast these days! So at 18 plus 1 day they are now adult and can make their own decisions, prior to that 24 hours then an adult has to make decisions for them?

The UK law is until you reach the age of 18 you are a minor. Any contracts you sign won't be legal unless a parent or guardian countersigns them. There are some very sensible 14 year olds and some moronic 54 year olds but that is the law.
So I said under 18 purely because that is the age at which a person still hasn't full legal responsibility as such.

My point was how many children have died from covid and let's say a child is defined as someone under 18.
There was no wish to spin statistics by using the age 18 and under, if I wanted a low figure I might have asked how many children aged 6 and under have died from covid. By saying up to 18 or 18 and under I gave you far more scope because I was confident that the number was going to be miniscule anyway. I'd be happy to put it up to 30 if you like because the point remains the same.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 11:15 am**

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:37 am
Does anyone know from when the new rules apply, ref antigen/ PCR tests for entry into restaurants and bars?

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 11:38 am**

waddo wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 10:25 am

Just a thought that may make sense of the whole thing - why would you give a time of 20:59pm? A mix of time designator there? Perhaps if they meant 23:59 then it would make sense? A case of simple finger trouble perhaps!

Maybe a plan to screw up peope planning to go out and watch the Euro final. It seems the whole world is on Italy's side

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 11:49 am**

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 11:15 am

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:37 am
Does anyone know from when the new rules apply, ref antigen/ PCR tests for entry into restaurants and bars?

It appears that the answer is no!

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 11:55 am**

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 6:37 am
Does anyone know from when the new rules apply, ref antigen/ PCR tests for entry into restaurants and bars?

Monday 12 July.

And there is no requirement to have a test if you go to restaurant and eat outside, only if you eat inside. If you go to a bar then a test is required regardless of inside or out.

That is what it says on the official government website.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 1:28 pm**

waddo wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 10:25 am
....Just a thought that may make sense of the whole thing - why would you give a time of 20:59pm? A mix of time designator there? Perhaps if they meant 23:59 then it would make sense? A case of simple finger trouble perhaps!

Perhaps 20.59 UTC..?
"Why would you..." - Because we can, and it's fun to confuse people....

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 1:30 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:52 pm

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Fri 09 Jul 2021 3:11 pm
So I guess we are going to have a queue of 100 people going for their weekly test and one person administering the test?
Guess what you like. Or as an alternative maybe look at the actual reality to date as a guide to possible futures. In order to be able to run the KAR bookstall at Lambousa market and to volunteer at the Tulips charity shop my wife has been having weekly free PCR tests for months now. It takes a few minutes. It is a credit to the TRNC authorities how efficiently this has been managed to date imo. In order to visit the south earlier in the week I had to get a free antigen test. It took a couple of minutes to apply online. I was assigned a lab in Girne to go to for the test. There was no queue at all. Within a minute of two of arriving I had had the swab stuck up my nose and down my throat and was on my way. Within 20 minutes I had been texted the result and the information needed to print off the form I needed to cross to the south. Still what does actual experience to date tell us about possible futures when compared to your Cassandra guesses ?

Who'd have thought???

https://www.facebook.com/groups/northcy ... 229128191/

My Cassandra guess was based on the basic rules of supply and demand so I guess you better get down there early for your future trips to the South!

Its a bit like if someone pours a can of petrol into a dry field and drops a match. Now I don't know with 100% certainty we are going to get one hell of a fire and I probably am being pessimistic but my logical guess is you might be needing to call the fire brigade.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 1:34 pm**

ETS, I am shocked! Surely you don’t mean that the BRS is on Italy’s side - lol. For myself, I will socially distance from my wife by sitting in a corner, drink my beer straight from the can - that will reduce the risk of Covid contamination from the glass, yes I will disinfect the can first, and cheer for the side I think is playing the best football. In 1966 I was in Borneo and cheered for Germany - only because it really annoyed my Army Captain - lol. Enjoy the weekend and stay safe out there.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 2:08 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 1:30 pm
My Cassandra guess was based on the basic rules of supply and demand so I guess you better get down there early for your future trips to the South!

And I shared my and my wife's personal experiences based not on a single isolated example from Facebook but our experience based on having gone for such tests, both the antigen / private labs and municipality tests multiple times over months. Yes it is about supply and demand but you have no idea what the supply actually is or the demand for that matter. Since the pandemic started I must have had 8 or so test of one kind or another and my wife 20 or more and neither of us have ever waited more than a few minutes.

Posted: **Sat 10 Jul 2021 2:19 pm**

erol wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Jul 2021 2:08 pm

And I shared my and my wife's personal experiences based not on a single isolated example from Facebook but our experience based on having gone for such tests, both the antigen / private labs and municipality tests multiple times over months. Yes it is about supply and demand but you have no idea what the supply actually is or the demand for that matter. Since the pandemic started I must have had 8 or so test of one kind or another and my wife 20 or more and neither of us have ever waited more than a few minutes.

I'm not saying you are lying, I know you blow hot and cold on anecdotal evidence depending on what it supports but...

I just pointed out that the new rules will create chaos and you said I was being a Cassandra. Early signs aren't looking good are they?

By the way the legend of Cassandra was that she was a Trojan priestess cursed to utter true prophecies, but never to be believed. I'll own that!
Anyhow I'd get there early to avoid disappointment in the future

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