The Madness of Tsar Putin

[Brinsley]

Now live on CNN, watch the deaths of women, children bombarded by the Tsar's personal war machine zombies.
You too can play this game on RT and manipulate what outcome you wish!
I'm going for the 'champignon paris' option in the sky!!!

WHAT A BLOODY SHAMBLES THE WHOLE WORLD IS IN!

[LizA]

Maybe best to start with the truth albeit you have to dig deeply to find it now thanks to lame-stream media!! Would hate to be complicit and on the wrong side of history. The first casualty of war is Truth. The propaganda machine is now mind boggling!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBYY8FSt0Co

[LizA]

A simple explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1W5o3Xz5OI

[waz-24-7]

I think the whole Ukraine thing is once again a west / USA misjudgment of the east /west interface.
Mr Putin has always been insistent that a "green buffer line " of non NATO countries borders his nation.
Georgia and Ukraine are such buffer zones and their NATO inclusion aspirations are not sitting easily with the Russians. NATO troops and arms on Russian borders is similar to soviet missiles on Cuba. Cuba missile crisis ??
Or think of USA if China secured missiles sites in Canada. God forbid !!
If Putin was awarded a buffer zone then he would depart Ukraine. He has asked for assurances and the USA, Europe or NATO have not realised the seriousness of the situation.
If Putin is pushed back against the wall. What do we think will happen? Desperation can make people contemplate very dangerous moves and outcomes can be very serious and terminal.

[kerry 6138]

And he achieves this by moving his sphere of influence closer to his NATO neighbours?
Or did he think Nato countries pull out of Afghanistan had weakened their resolve and saw the opportunity to extend Russian control of the Ukrainian access to the Black Sea, install a puppet government and achieve his stated aim of bringing the Kirvan Russ under one Russian sphere of influence?

[waz-24-7]

And he achieves this by moving his sphere of influence closer to his NATO neighbours?
Or did he think Nato countries pull out of Afghanistan had weakened their resolve and saw the opportunity to extend Russian control of the Ukrainian access to the Black Sea, install a puppet government and achieve his stated aim of bringing the Kirvan Russ under one Russian sphere of influence?

Certainly the defeat of the USA and its allies in Afghanistan has illustrated a weakness in western ranks. Russia and China have made an assessment upon that outcome.
China continues to seek out real estate in the South China sea and continues it' s aspirations upon Taiwan.
The Korean peninsular remains in uncertainty and Vietnam...well history showed us the communist resolve to keep the West in the West.
Ukrainian politics since 2014 has certainly moved towards the West and its current administration desperately seeks EU membership and NATO protection.
Crimea has been lost to Russia and the Black Sea access is secure. Ukraine and indeed Georgia are of little economic importance to Russia but certainly act as the curtain of buffer between European capitalism and the Putin regime. The USA simply want to keep eastern influence; China and Russia in a less threatening position.

My view is that if the "buffer" position was maintained then Russia would be quite content with the deal. It is the West that has avoided this since 2008, again in 2014 and now we have a position of serious concern. I think that most believed Putin would not risk any invasive and aggressive move.

[kerry 6138]

Ukraine exports mainly steel, coal, fuel and petroleum products, chemicals, machinery and transport equipment and grains like barley, corn and wheat. More than 60% of the exports goes to other former Soviet Republics countries with Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus being the most important. Others include Turkey and China.
Actual Previous Highest Lowest Dates Unit Frequency
6825.20 6793.50 7654.00 1215.20 2001 - 2021 USD Million Monthly

Crimea is internationally disputed and Russian troops are fighting for control of port of Mariupol by the Sea of Azof and are moving towards the port of Odessa inching ever closer to a Nato country whilst maintaining it wants a demilitarized Ukraine has a buffer hmmm.

China also has a claim against Russia for territory around Vladivostok.

[waz-24-7]

Ukraine exports mainly steel, coal, fuel and petroleum products, chemicals, machinery and transport equipment and grains like barley, corn and wheat. More than 60% of the exports goes to other former Soviet Republics countries with Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus being the most important. Others include Turkey and China.
Actual Previous Highest Lowest Dates Unit Frequency
6825.20 6793.50 7654.00 1215.20 2001 - 2021 USD Million Monthly

Crimea is internationally disputed and Russian troops are fighting for control of port of Mariupol by the Sea of Azof and are moving towards the port of Odessa inching ever closer to a Nato country whilst maintaining it wants a demilitarized Ukraine has a buffer hmmm.

China also has a claim against Russia for territory around Vladivostok.

Putin has made it abundantly clear since 2008 that Russia will not allow NATO to encroach upon its back yard.
The short conflict in Georgia in 20o8 was over the same matter.
Russia has made it very clear that Ukraine should neither be part of the EU or NATO as this would pose a military risk to Russia. The coup and Russian invasion in 2014 was the precursor to the current conflict. The West should have seen this coming several years ago but as the USA was in support of the NATO application. After all, any threat upon Russia is a good outcome for the USA.

I think that China is now more intent upon gains in the China sea than assets around Vladivostok. It is the USA that is more concerned over expansionist noises over the south China sea and Taiwan.

[kerry 6138]

To save a lot of typing can we just summarise
UK bad --- EU good
Nato bad ---- Putin good

[waz-24-7]

To save a lot of typing can we just summarise
UK bad --- EU good
Nato bad ---- Putin good

Bit too simplistic in my view,
Each seeks out to maximise advantage and each has leaders that seek longevity of office.
Things change and very quickly in a fast paced political landscape.

[Brazen]

I think the whole Ukraine thing is once again a west / USA misjudgment of the east /west interface.
Mr Putin has always been insistent that a "green buffer line " of non NATO countries borders his nation.
Georgia and Ukraine are such buffer zones and their NATO inclusion aspirations are not sitting easily with the Russians. NATO troops and arms on Russian borders is similar to soviet missiles on Cuba. Cuba missile crisis ??
Or think of USA if China secured missiles sites in Canada. God forbid !!
If Putin was awarded a buffer zone then he would depart Ukraine. He has asked for assurances and the USA, Europe or NATO have not realised the seriousness of the situation.
If Putin is pushed back against the wall. What do we think will happen? Desperation can make people contemplate very dangerous moves and outcomes can be very serious and terminal.

Ukraine is not a member of nato and their application to join was turned down. All member states have a right of veto.

[waz-24-7]

I think the whole Ukraine thing is once again a west / USA misjudgment of the east /west interface.
Mr Putin has always been insistent that a "green buffer line " of non NATO countries borders his nation.
Georgia and Ukraine are such buffer zones and their NATO inclusion aspirations are not sitting easily with the Russians. NATO troops and arms on Russian borders is similar to soviet missiles on Cuba. Cuba missile crisis ??
Or think of USA if China secured missiles sites in Canada. God forbid !!
If Putin was awarded a buffer zone then he would depart Ukraine. He has asked for assurances and the USA, Europe or NATO have not realised the seriousness of the situation.
If Putin is pushed back against the wall. What do we think will happen? Desperation can make people contemplate very dangerous moves and outcomes can be very serious and terminal.

Ukraine is not a member of nato and their application to join was turned down. All member states have a right of veto.

Yes I think that is clear in my post. Both Georgia and Ukraine have "aspirations" to become NATO members.
The USA certainly would like to have NATO alliances in Russia's back yard. Just as the soviets wanted missiles on Cuba in Americas back yard.
The cat and mouse antics of the major powers to gain advantage is omnipresent.

[Brinsley]

If madman Putin is trying to emulate Hitler in world history he's getting close. Conspiracy theory or not, but read he's dying of cancer, so maybe really wants to go out with an even greater blast of destroying Humanity!
Personally, I still cannot understand why the 'West' hasn't gone 'in' and taken the tyrant out; it's all gone well past diplomacy, sanctions etc. but oil&gas still flows from Russia?!
Watching too much CNN and makes me sick to the bone how little military support from the 'West' is doing except procrastinate for their own self-interests to protect their governing electoral positions!

[teatime]

If the west goes in militarily then that will lead to WW3, and Putin is crazy enough to use nuclear weapons. So I think the west is doing as much as it dare do, I would still like to see Putin got rid of though, surely we have agents that could deliver this goal!

[waz-24-7]

I don't think even Putin will go nuclear. It would only lead to massive damage and permanent loss to Russia as well as the West.

I think that he will follow a plan that maintains the "buffer zone"
How?
He will reduce Ukraine to rubble and then he will withdraw back to the Russian border. He will not relinquish Crimea as this is too valuable.
He will then send a diplomatically aligned message to the west along the lines:
You failed to acknowledge and deal with my total objections and demand that Ukraine and Georgia do not enter NATO. I have shown you the outcome of that failure. Acknowledge the demand and we are quits. Ignore it again and I will again take action.
The Russian backyard is to be respected as such and the West must stay West of my backyard.

only a theory but lets see how it pans out. the next 14 days are critical.

[Brinsley]

Putin beyond care of anything in reality of rationality or abnormality! WW111 is on its way, woe-betide, I truly hope I'm wrong!

[waz-24-7]

I think we should ask why has Putin chosen to Invade Ukraine. It has little or no strategic value to Russia. The Crimea certainly provides Russia with a warm water Southern port and this will not be forfeited The war with Georgia was of no real value in terms of real estate and resembles the reasoning behind the Ukraine action
It is, in my view, an action to keep the West in the West and maintain security for the Russian borders in the Western Russia.
What certainly must not happen is an intervention by NATO or any individual Western Country. This would certainly lead to global war. I think everyone knows this and the refusal to make Ukraine a no fly zone is evidence of that knowledge and fear.

It may be that the Russian aspiration that I feel is there. Is also recognised by the West and the war will be left to run its course for the next 2 weeks.
sanctions are not going to stop this war. It is far too late now. Sanctions will be a deterrent for a post Ukraine Russia and also send a signal to other regimes who may contemplate military interventions. China in the China sea for example.

[Brazen]

As suspected Putin has threaten to turn of the west’s gas supply, so Europe, particularly Germany, are between a rock and a hard place. This is all a result of the rush towards globalism, Europe, and the Uk to a lesser degree, rely on Russian gas. The Uk relies on France to supply electricity, who have threatened to turn that off. All countries rely on China for almost every manufactured product which has enabled them to invest heavily in their military. Globalism is also adding to the carbon footprint of which the Uk only contributes about 1%, but those in Westminster are going to impoverish the population to reduce this to zero. Meanwhile China, the USA and India, who are the main culprits, are doing virtually nothing, Madness!

[kerry 6138]

Ukraine is becoming a no fly zone because of the western supplied shoulder fired systems and training provided by NATO.
Things are not going to plan for Putin, already the rhetoric of removing the "Nazi Regime" has changed to recognition of Crimea and self government for Donbas regions.
There are more steps Putin could take to escalate this war he has to be seen to win for his own personal safety, use of thermobaric bombs, chemical weapons for example, his problem is the troops seem poorly motivated would they want to escalate.

[Walesforever]

Waz don’t you think an Independent Country should be able to make its own mind up? The Ukrainians are killing the Russian invaders by the boat load. This should tell even someone with such a blinkered view as yourself that Russia is doing something drastically wrong here.

[benjaminbutton]

Wars end eventually when one of two events happen. (a) when one side totally defeats another i.e. against the Germans and the Japanese OR (b) a negotiated settlement is agreed upon, this has no time frame (c) when one side surrenders - which is the same as (a)
When push comes to shove there might be variations on a theme,, but in reality there is no other outcome in a War. At least IMHO.

[Walesforever]

Lots of videos of hundreds of what appears to be Russians soldiers simply surrendering doing the rounds on SM. None of them look like they want to be there or have the fight for it.

[LizA]

Comment: If this analysis is even close to correct, we are in for an interesting ride into the future as reality culminates its split.
https://www.sott.net/article/465238-Tha ... reat-Reset

[LizA]

All events of joint combat training of the nationalists are ordered to be completed by February 28 in order to further ensure the fulfillment of combat missions as part of the Ukrainian "Joint Forces Operation" in Donbass.

The document contains the original signatures of the officials of the command of the National Guard of Ukraine responsible for the tasks.

We remember the statements by the leadership of the Kiev regime replicated by the Western media in February, that there were no plans for an armed seizure of Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics. About their desire to resolve all issues in "political and diplomatic way."

However, the originals of the secret military documents of the National Guard of Ukraine clearly prove the falsity of these statements.

A special military operation of the Russian Armed Forces, conducted since February 24, thwarted a large-scale offensive operation of Ukrainian troops on the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics in March of this year.

Thus, only one question remains unclear so far: how deeply the US leadership and its NATO allies were involved in the planning and preparation of the operation to storm the Donbass by the Ukrainian joint force grouping in early March. All those who care so much about peace in Ukraine today.

https://www.sott.net/article/465263-The ... -this-year

[LizA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJLPwlbypM&t=46s

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[LizA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HlI16-XSU
Russian military intervention in Ukraine - My first response

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