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KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 11:12 am
by laptawrinkly
Attached the new tariffs from KIBTEC (https://www.kibtek.com/tarifeler/) along with easy guide to kw charging range - the price increases the more kw you use. According to the new tariff, the rate of increase varies between 150% and 400%. https://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/kibris/b ... 25455.html

Kıbrıs Gazetesi

Some estimates in KIBRIS paper suggests:
"...the monthly average electrical energy consumed by a family of four, without escaping to luxury consumption but within humanitarian needs, is 660 kilowatts per month, and when the fixed fee, street lighting, municipality and VAT are added to this, it is 750 TL according to the old tariff. , said that according to the new tariff, it was billed as 1,615 TL." https://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/kibris/4 ... 25446.html

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Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 11:37 am
by Deniz1
I know they need money but if folk couldnt afford to pay before even less likely now.

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 11:57 am
by Hair Cut
The step from 0-250 to 251-500 is ridiculous surely the increment could have been made smaller.

They will just be switching more people off now they have dropped the debt threshold from 470 (something) to 100 tl.

Read what is happening in Turkey since they did it. I think it will be Ta Ta to Mr. Tatar.

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 12:22 pm
by forestpixie
laptawrinkly wrote:
Wed 02 Mar 2022 11:12 am
Attached the new tariffs from KIBTEC (https://www.kibtek.com/tarifeler/) along with easy guide to kw charging range - the price increases the more kw you use. According to the new tariff, the rate of increase varies between 150% and 400%. https://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/kibris/b ... 25455.html

Kıbrıs Gazetesi

Some estimates in KIBRIS paper suggests:
"...the monthly average electrical energy consumed by a family of four, without escaping to luxury consumption but within humanitarian needs, is 660 kilowatts per month, and when the fixed fee, street lighting, municipality and VAT are added to this, it is 750 TL according to the old tariff. , said that according to the new tariff, it was billed as 1,615 TL." https://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/kibris/4 ... 25446.html


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This is just insane!

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 12:34 pm
by iv_cyprus
The increase is massive if you look deep into it. Especially in summer or winter it is hardly possible to go below 250 kw per month. Even whoever uses log burner in winter, will still use heater for water. Only months (the way I see it) which one can go under 250kw are April and May.
Sadly in winter it will be hard without air cons :/

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 12:39 pm
by benjaminbutton
In our part just about every new house built within the last 5 years has anything from 6 to 18 or 20 panels on their roof. In some cases every available flat area.

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 1:49 pm
by laptawrinkly
When we moved here 27 years ago, you were lucky if you had less than 4 hrs of power cuts a day, some days 8-14 or more hours of cuts. While the infrastructure has been improved greatly, the issue with KIBTEK is systemic beyond a fix simply with price rises;

* they have far too many employees to pay and much of their 'work' is done as overtime, hence the additional costs. I saw in the KIBRIS paper in Sept 2021 alone, the government overtime bill was something in the 'hundreds of thousands of €' when you converted it. That was just one month!
* they also have a huge number of 'pensioners/retired' to pay.
* it is badly managed as an institution, at one point recently they had no 'wire or cables' and worryingly due to government policy, recovers a fraction of what it costs to actually produce our electricity. This means before any unpaid bills/debt is taken into account, it is losing hundreds of millions of TL a month to produce electric.
* It is owed at least 800,000,000 TL by various public (government offices, municipalities, etc) and private (hotels, casinos, shops etc) which accumulates, and in real terms devalues as the TL fluctuates, losing more as oil is paid in hard currency $.
* Of course how we produce electric using oil is another matter. Friends tell me they are now limiting how many solar panels you can have and what you get back from KIBTEC; this is almost certainly a union driven 'demand' to stop alternative energy development and potential job losses. The union also stopped the privatisation of KIBTEK.
* Preventing solar energy is ludicrous given where we are, and more can be done to persuade homes to have solar energy -subsidies would help and cheaper than building new power stations or the 'mains extension lead from Turkey under the sea'!- or solar farms, or wind energy.

As many have said, the less fortunate will suffer in the main, but while prices are cheaper than the UK, many ex-pats on fixed pensions will also struggle. Already restaurants are putting prices up, not just because of the TL issue, so it will have a wider impact.

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 2:01 pm
by gates
Perhaps now they will stop playing with the clock and leave it at sensible summertime. It so stupid why they keep doing it and then having power cuts is beyond me crazy the amount of money wasted. Lights and heaters on 1 hour before needed. Very green

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Wed 02 Mar 2022 8:30 pm
by alphamike
laptawrinkly wrote:
Wed 02 Mar 2022 1:49 pm
When we moved here 27 years ago, you were lucky if you had less than 4 hrs of power cuts a day, some days 8-14 or more hours of cuts. While the infrastructure has been improved greatly, the issue with KIBTEK is systemic beyond a fix simply with price rises;

* they have far too many employees to pay and much of their 'work' is done as overtime, hence the additional costs. I saw in the KIBRIS paper in Sept 2021 alone, the government overtime bill was something in the 'hundreds of thousands of €' when you converted it. That was just one month!
* they also have a huge number of 'pensioners/retired' to pay.
* it is badly managed as an institution, at one point recently they had no 'wire or cables' and worryingly due to government policy, recovers a fraction of what it costs to actually produce our electricity. This means before any unpaid bills/debt is taken into account, it is losing hundreds of millions of TL a month to produce electric.
* It is owed at least 800,000,000 TL by various public (government offices, municipalities, etc) and private (hotels, casinos, shops etc) which accumulates, and in real terms devalues as the TL fluctuates, losing more as oil is paid in hard currency $.
* Of course how we produce electric using oil is another matter. Friends tell me they are now limiting how many solar panels you can have and what you get back from KIBTEC; this is almost certainly a union driven 'demand' to stop alternative energy development and potential job losses. The union also stopped the privatisation of KIBTEK.
* Preventing solar energy is ludicrous given where we are, and more can be done to persuade homes to have solar energy -subsidies would help and cheaper than building new power stations or the 'mains extension lead from Turkey under the sea'!- or solar farms, or wind energy.

As many have said, the less fortunate will suffer in the main, but while prices are cheaper than the UK, many ex-pats on fixed pensions will also struggle. Already restaurants are putting prices up, not just because of the TL issue, so it will have a wider impact.
Whilst not being here anywhere as long as you have, I do remember the days when power cuts were frequent and practically on a daily basis. It really has improved greatly, but unfortunately the management of Kibtek has not.
I did know that they produce electricity at a loss, and that they are owed so much by government, hotels/casinos etc. However had no idea that employees were paid overtime as a general thing, rather than perhaps working on a shift based system, which would make more economic sense.
The limiting of using solar panels is an absolute travesty on this island of so much sun, absolutely no foresight at all, rather than seeing the potential of what could be. There will still be job opportunities.
The union is far too strong, and could be doing with a Maggie Thatcher approach, as seen in the UK many years ago, and I was never a great Thatcher fan, putting it mildly.

I remember, as a student, working in the summer holiday in a Timex factory, when the union was very strong. The whole factory was brought to a standstill for a good half hour or so. The reason being that 1p was put on a cup of subsidised canteen tea (think everything was being raised by 1p). It was the most stupid thing to moan about, as the canteen prices were so subsidised, and certainly way lower than prices at the student canteen, it just seemed such a silly thing to bring production to a halt, which must have cost the company a fair bit. We students, just did not get why the union was in such an outrage over such a minor thing, and I am still at a loss to understand all these years later. In the end, Timex left and all the workers lost out.
Unfortunately here, Kibtek cannot leave, as we really need to have electricity, but at what price?

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Thu 03 Mar 2022 12:08 pm
by Reyntj
Oil hit $120 today and can go much higher...prices might have to go up again .the reality is the tl has halved and oil has quadrupled from its lows ....750 tl is only £40....my parents pay c £2000 in the UK for electric and gas .most people just have electric here .my bills this winter have been as high as 1800 tl so i might look more seriously at a solar system as the economies are looking potentially better now . It is what it is and worldwide energy increases are incoming. The biggest self inflicted problem here is the depreciation of the tl (turkey I know).

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Thu 03 Mar 2022 3:38 pm
by forestpixie
Just read an article that states they can adjust electricity prices in the same way they do fuel

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Thu 03 Mar 2022 3:39 pm
by forestpixie
Its in YeniDüzen but I can't paste the link

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Thu 03 Mar 2022 3:44 pm
by alphamike
https://www.yeniduzen.com/elektrik-fiya ... 50257h.htm

There you go ForestPixie

For some reason I can't copy and paste the text.

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Thu 03 Mar 2022 3:47 pm
by forestpixie
Oh how strange! My phone must be having a moment.

Re: KIBTEC new prices from 01/03/22

Posted: Thu 03 Mar 2022 3:59 pm
by alphamike
So must my laptop. :roll: