Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

Hello.
Happy Peace and Freedom Day.
Pretty ironic I am writing this on this day because peace and freedom is certainly not what this about.
Good people who have rescued and helped so many animals over the years have had a visit yesterday from their local Belediyesi who have informed them in no uncertain words that they have to get rid of all but 3/4 of their rescued animals or they will.
A neighbour has complained about the animals. The Belediyesi have strongly told them they are breaking the TRNC law which governs that only 3/4 animals per family/household. are allowed.
I have never heard of this TRNC law. I know the law of registering yearly and paying an amount of 12TL per animal if neutered/spayed which I do. I know the law of getting each animal microchipped which I do. So many don't How many found animals when checked are not microchipped and yet they have owners. They are breaking the law. Does anyone know of this government law or can find out if it exists?
Another lady who also has rescued many poor and vulnerable innocents over the years has been instructed the same.
This is wrong..This particular Belediyesi have NO shelter which I thought was law. What will they do with these animals who have known a loving home?
Please if anyone can help or advise.
Thank you. BBB's other half. Feeling sad, angry, disgusted but hopeful.

I have just checked the original post and it was the districts Zabita that visited yesterday and translated comes up as Police.
BBB's other half.

I vaguely remember something about Lapta Bele making up this rule a while back, but whether it is written in law is another thing.
They'd be far better making laws that forbids dogs to be caged or tied up.

I totally agree . What you see if when you go out is heartbreaking.
I can remember a few years back there was a district that announced this but it went no further. It was not put into action.That area may have wanted it for their own reasons but it was not the government of the TRNC decision or law.
The Zabita to insist strongly that these people were breaking the law of the TRNC is so wrong and gives out bullying and intimidation.
My Belediyesi know how many animals I have as they are registered every year and I have not been told I am breaking the law of the TRNC.
I hope someone can positively confirm that this is NOT the law of the land of the TRNC.
BBB's other half. Take care and stay cool.

HI BBB, in Feb 21 Turkey proposed changes to its animal rights bill which included the banning of keeping more than 3 dogs in one house. It also proposed banning the sale of pets in pet shops, so these were welfare proposals rather than dealing with animals as a `neighbour nuisance` issue. The bill was approved by parliament in June or July 2021 but I can`t find its final form or when it was enacted (or if it was). I think around the same time there was talk of that being adopted over Lapta way and I recall a lot of people becoming upset by it. I wonder if there has been some cross-over. There is an animal rights organisation here who may know the answer and if I can find their contact info I`ll send it on as I would imagine they would know definitely what the law states here, or if its possible for municipalities to make their own laws about the keeping of animals.

Thank you.
Any help in this matter would be really appreciated.
It could be a worry for so many good people who innocently have given homes to needy rescues just because they care...
Animal charities here have quite happily rehomed animals knowing how many were already within the family and home. Surely they would not go against the TRNC law.
BBB's other half.

Cant remember how many years ago, but seems like 5 or 6, letters in Turkish and English where stuck through gates in Alsancak to announce that three was to be the maximum per household and there was to be a public meeting in the Theatre in Alsancak, which was very well attended by private owners, charities and a very angry vociferous band of hunters and pointer breeders. The Mayor and other Belediye employees, really had a grilling, much to their embarrassment. After about three quarters of an hour, the Belediye called a halt to it all, and to the best of my recollection, no decision made. Later I went in to the offfices to pay the yearly amount per dog. At that time I had five little ones and the bloke said "you have one too many, but he is old and will be dead soon" and took the amount for five. The really old one, lived six more years!!

I can remember something about this as well but I honestly think it was Alsancak itself that tried to put this into force and it was not a TRNC government law as the Lapta Zabita said to the good people they had gone to ''visit'. I could be wrong but hopefully not. People are trying to help this morning. It is so devasting for the couple concerned and the other lady who has rescue dogs.
The bloke in the Lapta belediyesi office you saw sounds like a right ''charmer'. NOT..
Take care all.
BBB's other half.

As far as I know all the dogs in question here were registered at the Lapta Belediyesi. So why were the licences granted and the money taken ha ha! Money aye. The woman who complained knew she was coming to live next door to an animal rescue site where, incidentally, all the dogs are beautifully cared for, the house and garden areas are immaculately kept, poo cleaned up as soon as, and the dogs are so happy and well fed and not wandering the street = they are so lucky.

If you can get someone who is a fluent turkish speaker/reader you might be able to read Animal Welfare Law in the constitution. It gave chapter and verse as to what Belediye should do and what the law was. Girne appears to be the only Belediye who complied in anyway at all, but for the life of me I can't remember whether mention was made to individual owners. I would think someone has complained about barking or something and Belediye need to give someone a job calling on property. If someone had 12 dogs, they would still take your licence money and then ban the dogs. Its like someone in the UK moving to an agricultural area and complaining about the smell of local farms.

The people concerned are dedicated, honest and really care. Sammy Davis obviously you know them and where they live and who the person is who has put the official compaint in. . I don't personally know these good people but I know how much they have done and are doing to help the animals here in the TRNC and they are 'broken' at the moment. I will try and find someone who can look at the Animal Welfare Law but is this for the TRNC? .I was at the original meeting called by the Mayor of Girne proposing what was going to be done to help the street animal situation. All what was said has not happened but the changes that have been made is all for the good and wellbeing of the animals. I do believe the Girne Mayor does care.Maybe he can help/advise on this supposedly TRNC government law.I have appealed to so many different people/animal welfare associations but at the moment I seem to be getting no where. Any help would be appreciated. We cannot let these animals who have known genuine love and care in a home after suffering God know what out there on the streets be taken. A complaint! Really. Is this a case of not what you know but who!
Take care,
BBB's other half.

Would the KKTC Veteriner Dairesi Goverment Office Hamitkoy 03922253551 maybe know the correct laws.Maybe worth a try.

Thank you buddy.
BBB's other half.

Yes but to be fair to the neighbour who reported the people concerned have over thirty dogs. Would you like living next door to that lot? Yes the people involved are good and caring people but a house with neighbours is not the ideal place for a dog rescue is it?

Panchocat wrote: ↑

Sun 24 Jul 2022 1:38 pm

Yes but to be fair to the neighbour who reported the people concerned have over thirty dogs. Would you like living next door to that lot? Yes the people involved are good and caring people but a house with neighbours is not the ideal place for a dog rescue is it?

Their hearts are in the right place... their home is not...

Is this a measure taken to try and control the number of stray , abandoned dogs and cats that proliferate the country?
Certainly the number of street animals seems to ever increase.
almost every day you see requests for "good homes"
there is apparently fewer good homes than good animals.

Some level of discretion should be given to those admirable animal rescuers that perform miracles and also get my full support.
The administrators have clearly woken up to the problem but need to think rather more carefully upon a working solution. Prosecuting animal rescuers and carers is not a solution. These people should be given assistance until such time the root causes are addressed.

Groucho. Very true.

I can't imagine what it would be like living next door too 30 dogs
We have 3 dogs living on a farm next to us once one barks the other two follow and don't shut up
As others have said wrong place to have that amount of dogs

TAC - you are no doubt talking about Cypriot dog owners who cage them and dont appear to care for them very well. This particular case is an English couple who love dogs and are very responsible people = the husband is ex prison service and very strict with their dogs. I suspect there is more noise/volume from him shouting at the dogs and stopping them if they appear to start barking than from the actual dogs!!!

30 dogs next door are you joking....there is not many people who would like this ...a lot of dog owners/lovers don't realise some people don't like dogs....not to mention Clearly some rescued dogs will.have behaviour problems ...disregarding this why would anybody think keeping 30 dogs would be acceptable to neighbours?

I hope if I am misinformed someone will correct me and I will take their advice/views on board.
My understanding is and I do not personally know these good people but only know of how much they do to help and care for needy animals who are either dumped, abused or born out on the streets.
The neighbour bought her property knowing the property next door to her not only had the lovely couple living there but also there 28 dogs.
If she did not want to live next door to these good people and their four legged family WHY did she buy it?.
This is so unfair and the last few comments have been so negative.
This couple has a FB page named The Karsiyaka Dog house. They have been taking video's on different times of the day of their four legged friends to show the truth of how they all are and their behaviour.PLEASE look at this and honestly make your own minds up whether these dogs are a NOISE nuisance. Yes. They are all in residence but this lady knew this .
This is a heartbreaking situation. An unjust situation. What does anyone think will happen to the dogs that are removed?
There is no animal shelter in Lapta/Alsancak so what will they do if they remove these sweethearts..
Honestly destroy them in whatever way OR they will be taken to somewhere where none of them know to be left to try and survive for themselves after knowing a loving home.
Really. Does anyone of you think this is humane and right?
BBB's other half. .Take care. .

It is a heartbreaking situation. But to have that many dogs in a residential area is not ideal. Perhaps the neighbour bought the house without realising what the noise or smell situation would be in reality. That's a lot of poop scooping! His ex job as a prison officer is irrelevant really as dogs will bark!
The solution would be for them to move to or rent in a more rural situation with more land or for Freedom Sanctuary to help out as I think that is where a lot of them came from.
Yes we are dog lovers here and have dogs of our own but I actually do see the neighbour's point of view too.

Please just look at the video's taken honestly and truthfully at all different times of the day showing how the dogs behave and how they live their lives.
There is one little one who spends her time sat on the top step of the pool just chilling in the heat of the day. Is she one of the ones to be disposed of?
My dogs alert me . When they bark I go and look. They are protecting me . I would not have it any other way. They are not a noise nuisance because I don't allow them to be.. I am thankful and grateful for them being with me.
I have a neighbour who keeps his hunting dogs plus a ''family' pet locked up all day in cages other than when he does let them out while he hoses out their cages/pens. They are barking so much during the day and night and I feel so sorry for them. I would not want to see them disposed of however.
I have asked/written to everyone and anyone that I can think of that can help in this so sad situation to positively say Yes or No to this so called TRNC governmental law and have asked for proof of it being passed and when it was.I have had so many answers back saying no such law exists but that this is unofficial. This does not help

Maybe someone reading this can ''shine and shed the light' and help these good people and their four legged family.
BBB's other half.

Just one last thought.
Euthonasia only happens here in the TRNC when there is no chance of quality of life left for the animal. This happens only when everything else has been tried and the situation is dire .I will ask the Vet who cares for my dog's to confirm this tomorrow but I think I am right.
To euthanise these fit, healthy and happy animals would be breaking the law. Would'nt it?
So OK what will happen to these fit, healthy, well cared for, loved and happy animals if they are taken away from their family home?
BBB's other half.

I can sympathise with both sides. Having seen all the messages of support for the couple, I'm sure that if they all took one of the dogs to look after, and not just comment with support on Facebook, the situation would be a win/win all round.

As a person who sympathises with the people with all the dogs, I would not be in a position to take on yet another dog myself. We have four, five until fairly recently, and we have made a determined decision to stick to that number. Plus, if and when they pass away naturally, we will definitely not be replacing them.

I am in the same position as benjaminbutton. My furry hooligans are all getting old now as am I and sadly recently I had to have one of our originals from the UK 'Big Joe Cocker' put to sleep. Even after trying everything possible to help him and make an improvement in his illness it was the kindess thing for him. The last Act of Love.
I sincerely hope that things can be sorted for this caring couple and their dogs.
Take care all.Stay safe.
BBB's other half.

Hector, I hope you can understand the position hundreds of us find ourselves. BTW, how many of these poor souls are you taking on?

Unfortunately people are in this situation through the lack of education or brains I have not decided yet and allow too many struggle on the street which in turn can breed and add to the situation. 1 dog next door can be too many if left chained all its life never included in the house owners life. We had 3 dogs in a village house and in almost 15 years we had them our neighbours used to say we can't believe you have dogs they are so quiet. Must admit the urine on Gravel in the summer sometimes was quite pongy

snd1966. agree with you about the gravel. We have what we call "the poo run" back front and side of the house. Then when garden is watered in the evening, we have to go around spraying the gravel. The dogs don't appreciate what we do for them in this heat in particular. But they sulk long enough if the fans are not aimed at them in the evening.

benjamin button. As an unwanted 'Swallow' in NC and thus limited in our visits, as much as I'd like to and believe me, we've been sorely tempted in the past, we can't take on any 'poor souls' as you put it. We have, thankfully found a good home for a kitten and a dog that decided they wanted to live with us not so long ago.

Jeyes fluid, 1 part fluid to 25 parts water in a garden spray will keep your gravel sweet. Water just washes it to a different area and there it sits and smells till the rains come and really washes it into the ground.

The problem is finding Jeyes fluid I am afraid and I ran out last year and have not been able to find any North or South since then.

There seems to have been a shortage of Jeyes fluid, for years and years. Any idea why?