Kibkom North Cyprus Forum

From daily express...

"Campaigners are contacting airlines operating in the region to ask them to make a deal with Turkey which would allow them to change destination once they were in Turkish airspace.

It would mean that Turkey's air traffic control gave them a new flight number once they entered their airspace allowing them to fly directly to North Cyprus just 40 miles away."

I'm not convinced ....but would welcome it .

That be nice i might grt some visitors then

Ahh, we'll come and visit you in September gates

Other than that the idea above seems feasible.

So where would the original (arrival) destination be posted on the flight information boards from the departure airport?

Ooo, BHC won't like that - lol

Reyntj wrote: ↑

Wed 02 Aug 2023 11:16 am

From daily express...

"Campaigners are contacting airlines operating in the region to ask them to make a deal with Turkey which would allow them to change destination once they were in Turkish airspace.

It would mean that Turkey's air traffic control gave them a new flight number once they entered their airspace allowing them to fly directly to North Cyprus just 40 miles away."

I'm not convinced ....but would welcome it .

Absolutely stupid, IATA would stamp it out straight away.

techtrader wrote: ↑

Wed 02 Aug 2023 12:13 pm

So where would the original (arrival) destination be posted on the flight information boards from the departure airport?

I would imagine the Turkish destination same as it is now. Although they're separate flights atm anyway, the Turkish destination was always displayed at UK airport even when you just sat on the same plane in the good ol days.

Each flight has to submit a flight plan way before take off. Ercan airport isn’t recognised by any Country in the World ( only Turkey) and Airlines could end up losing their slots if they start flaunting the strict aviation rules. Total non starter.

Very highly unlikely.
International Law prevents recognition of TRNC.. Flights, directly to and from as well as export of home products is illegal.
Of course the ROC ensure and fuel the illegalities.
The "Cyprus problem" resolution is the route to direct flights. As the ROC is in the EU then the EU and guarantor powers , essentially UK, Greece and USA helped by the UN could push the matter.
However, peace prevails and there is little appetite to disturb the peace and the flow of aid from Turkey.

Waz - USA is not a guarantor power and never has been.

Guarantor power is divested to Greece, Turkey and the U.K. as agreed way back in 1960.

The USA however will exert its influence for sure. As it did in 1974.

As for the EU - I find it difficult to reconcile the fact that they allowed the ROC to join without a solution to the “Cyprus problem” being found beforehand. That was the one opportunity for the EU to really show leadership. Cyprus should not have been admitted to the EU until all sides had agreed to a solution. We must remember that the Anann plan was the closest that the two sides came to possibly solving the problem. It was the Turkish Cypriots who voted to accept this UN brokered plan and the Greek Cypriots who rejected it.

PoshinDevon wrote: ↑

Thu 03 Aug 2023 9:32 am

Waz - USA is not a guarantor power and never has been.

Guarantor power is divested to Greece, Turkey and the U.K. as agreed way back in 1960.

The USA however will exert its influence for sure. As it did in 1974.

As for the EU - I find it difficult to reconcile the fact that they allowed the ROC to join without a solution to the “Cyprus problem” being found beforehand. That was the one opportunity for the EU to really show leadership. Cyprus should not have been admitted to the EU until all sides had agreed to a solution. We must remember that the Anann plan was the closest that the two sides came to possibly solving the problem. It was the Turkish Cypriots who voted to accept this UN brokered plan and the Greek Cypriots who rejected it.

Yes
Indeed USA simply influence and or meddle whichever way you want consider. They have recently 2020 opened up military equipment sales to ROC, much to the annoyance of Turkey

Certainly the entry of ROC into EU was rather surprising after Mr Anann put forward reasonable settlement proposals in 2004 I think.
My point is that the ROC have the support of the Union on their side going forwards.
The EU do still provide assistance to TRNC regeneration projects but this is likely only because it somewhat strengthens the notion that the island of Cyprus is ROC and therefore EU. Turkish troops are illegal invaders in EU eyes. The South side like this notion and don't seem to complain when the North gets assistance.

Regardless,
Direct flights remain a political hot pot. The UK as a stand alone would not dare go against international Law and permit direct flights.

Now if an EU member took up the cause and lobbied brussels then that ( as a union) may well change things.
Come on you Germans and Scandinavian EU voters. Or it's just not a big enough problem.
If the EU were to act and succeed then certainly I think the UK would jump in and follow.

The entire island of Cyprus was admitted to the EU, however the North was (and still is) suspended for obvious reasons. They still benefit to the tune of a few billion Euros per year though.

They are so conditioned to relying on handouts that I can’t see the situation changing.

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Fri 04 Aug 2023 9:49 am

The entire island of Cyprus was admitted to the EU, however the North was (and still is) suspended for obvious reasons. They still benefit to the tune of a few billion Euros per year though.

They are so conditioned to relying on handouts that I can’t see the situation changing.

Not sure, but suspension of the North would suggest some sort of recognition.

The ROC as a member state certainly takes an EU position that Cyprus is an EU member state.
Of course if a settlement was to be secured then UK ex pat nationals would immediately lose out as the 90/180 days visa would apply.
In that highly unlikely event
Would TRNC residency be honoured by the ROC? I think not without a cost.
EU citizens would benefit of course with automatic right to reside , work and move within.
Direct UK flights would immediately start and prices would fall as competition opens up.
The pros and cons of isolation is quite complex but rest assured if there's money and or advantage to be secured then people will come.

Just Google it, I have neither the will nor the time to discuss it with you.

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 11:38 am

Just Google it, I have neither the will nor the time to discuss it with you.

I've asked siri and Alexa as I'm just too busy.
Cyprus is part of the EU.
Google... she is just not dependable in a discussion.

waz-24-7 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 10:58 am

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Fri 04 Aug 2023 9:49 am

The entire island of Cyprus was admitted to the EU, however the North was (and still is) suspended for obvious reasons. They still benefit to the tune of a few billion Euros per year though.

They are so conditioned to relying on handouts that I can’t see the situation changing.

Not sure, but suspension of the North would suggest some sort of recognition.

The ROC as a member state certainly takes an EU position that Cyprus is an EU member state.
Of course if a settlement was to be secured then UK ex pat nationals would immediately lose out as the 90/180 days visa would apply.
In that highly unlikely event
Would TRNC residency be honoured by the ROC? I think not without a cost.
EU citizens would benefit of course with automatic right to reside , work and move within.
Direct UK flights would immediately start and prices would fall as competition opens up.
The pros and cons of isolation is quite complex but rest assured if there's money and or advantage to be secured then people will come.

so, if, if there would be a settlement for a two state solution, the question is.. will be the TRNC part of the EU or not?

if not, there will be a border TRNC-RoC, a hard border. possibly a very hard border. EU- non EU.
the TRNC would be a recognized and independent country which may decides that TRNC citizens can have one passport only (eg, either TRNC or RoC..) which would be a desaster to many TCs as they may have to leave their home or can not enter EU- Roc without a visa.
or, TRNC could decide to be part of Turkiye and all TRNC citizens will become TR citizens (incl all who formerly have been EU citizens).
so, this will be a unlikely outcome, as this would be not acceptable to TRNC citizens, the RoC, the EU and others.
and it does not matter whether a "unification" will happen next year or in 5 or 20 or whenever.

if TRNC will be part of the EU, then, as waz mentioned, EU citizens would have free movement and changes would apply for "others", as non EU UK citizens.
but also for, eg, non EU TR citizens.
nearly 20 years after the 2004 referendum and all the changes happened in TRNC, this would be not acceptable by TR, as this would require a "very hard border" between TR and TRNC.
that would mean: end to "ID card sufficient", instead visa (and many refusals). it would mean a working coast guard, removal of all troops from EU territory and financial control. the list would be long, very long. a EU-non EU border.
but, other solutions "specially for TR citizens" (or TR as a whole) would (still) not be acceptable by RoC, as one of the reasons for the "no" in 2004 was the "settler question" (plus "property" plus " turkish army") and any TR citizen could move free in RoC as well.
and for the EU it would be also not acceptable, as "they" may continue " a journey to europe " or initiate " business or financial transactions" from there, troops may remain.. and so on , and so on..
so, also unlikely.
or?

waz-24-7 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 10:58 am

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Fri 04 Aug 2023 9:49 am

The entire island of Cyprus was admitted to the EU, however the North was (and still is) suspended for obvious reasons. They still benefit to the tune of a few billion Euros per year though.

They are so conditioned to relying on handouts that I can’t see the situation changing.

Not sure, but suspension of the North would suggest some sort of recognition.

The ROC as a member state certainly takes an EU position that Cyprus is an EU member state.
Of course if a settlement was to be secured then UK ex pat nationals would immediately lose out as the 90/180 days visa would apply.
In that highly unlikely event
Would TRNC residency be honoured by the ROC? I think not without a cost.
EU citizens would benefit of course with automatic right to reside , work and move within.
Direct UK flights would immediately start and prices would fall as competition opens up.
The pros and cons of isolation is quite complex but rest assured if there's money and or advantage to be secured then people will come.

I'll save time and bother before this thread descends as it always does with this poster.

It's all brexit's fault.

ginge wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 2:23 pm

waz-24-7 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 10:58 am

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Fri 04 Aug 2023 9:49 am

The entire island of Cyprus was admitted to the EU, however the North was (and still is) suspended for obvious reasons. They still benefit to the tune of a few billion Euros per year though.

They are so conditioned to relying on handouts that I can’t see the situation changing.

Not sure, but suspension of the North would suggest some sort of recognition.

The ROC as a member state certainly takes an EU position that Cyprus is an EU member state.
Of course if a settlement was to be secured then UK ex pat nationals would immediately lose out as the 90/180 days visa would apply.
In that highly unlikely event
Would TRNC residency be honoured by the ROC? I think not without a cost.
EU citizens would benefit of course with automatic right to reside , work and move within.
Direct UK flights would immediately start and prices would fall as competition opens up.
The pros and cons of isolation is quite complex but rest assured if there's money and or advantage to be secured then people will come.

I'll save time and bother before this thread descends as it always does with this poster.

It's all brexit's fault.

Oh dear Ginge
B was 7 years ago so its done.

Direct flights is the discussion. Will they happen from the UK.

You don't appear to have an opinion or anything to contribute.
I have opinions that relate to the UK being a non member state.
Its not that difficult. Is it?

You bring those opinions into every thread you join regardless of the subject.

We could be discussing the price of turkish delight & you'd find a way to crowbar brexit into it.

ginge wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 4:32 pm

You bring those opinions into every thread you join regardless of the subject.

We could be discussing the price of turkish delight & you'd find a way to crowbar brexit into it.

So what is the price of Turkish delight

If being a non European passport holder effects a matter such as direct flights from UK then absolutely yes.
Perhaps your'e just in denial of losing your European passport.

Let’s try to keep on topic.

Direct flights has little to do with Brexit.

Please do not merge or somehow link this topic into yet another Brexit discussion.

Thank you.

Given the majority on this forum are British UK citizens and direct flights from the UK to TRNC are of importance and indeed the lead post.

Cyprus is a member state of the European Union. The UK is not.
International law prevents direct flights to TRNC.
The UK on its singular mission is unlikely to influence that law and is hardly bothered.
The EU on the other hand which is far more influential on Cyprus's Union status could . If the matter came before Brussels together with a Cyprus solution then I do think that direct flights could be a Union route to get a solution moving forwards.
Certainly if it did the UK would very likely support and take steps also.
I am almost certain that the UK on its own would not act. Why would it?

Nothing to do with 'Direct Flights', they already exist with Pegasus. The whole topic is wrong, it should be NON-STOP flights, a big difference between the two.

Brinsley wrote: ↑

Sun 06 Aug 2023 10:35 am

Nothing to do with 'Direct Flights', they already exist with Pegasus. They whole topic is wrong, it should be NON-STOP flights, a big difference between the two.

Yes,
Possibly non stop direct.
Then perhaps we can get to TRNC in about 5 hrs as opposed to 7-23 hrs including stops in Istanbul OR Izmir OR Antalya.
Plus possibly the prices will become more reasonable.
I've just paid £365 via Istanbul including luggage....one way!!

waz-24-7 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 11:54 am

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 11:38 am

Just Google it, I have neither the will nor the time to discuss it with you.

I've asked siri and Alexa as I'm just too busy.
Cyprus is part of the EU.
Google... she is just not dependable in a discussion.

The EU recognises all of the Island has part of the EU but has suspended its rules and regulations (aquis Unis) in the North pending a settlement.

kerry 6138 wrote: ↑

Sun 06 Aug 2023 6:06 pm

waz-24-7 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 11:54 am

Nc2016 wrote: ↑

Sat 05 Aug 2023 11:38 am

Just Google it, I have neither the will nor the time to discuss it with you.

I've asked siri and Alexa as I'm just too busy.
Cyprus is part of the EU.
Google... she is just not dependable in a discussion.

The EU recognises all of the Island has part of the EU but has suspended its rules and regulations (aquis Unis) in the North pending a settlement.

Indeed,
Not surprising given the the ROC considers the North as "occupied territory"
As has been said. The North does benefit from EU investment and handouts..to a degree.

It is that "occupied" "invaded" agenda that hinders the TRNC in all manner of ways.
It is quite well known that genuine Turkish Cypriots can visit South side and secure the highly valuable ROC EU passport that allows the many advantages that come with such a passport.

My opinion is that direct flights would very quickly arrive if the ROC offered up permissions in front of their fellow Union members in Brussels.
If the EU did carry direct Flights then the UK would very likely follow as may other countries.
Certainly the airlines would love to access the new terminal and make more money on the Cyprus routes.

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I thought that TR would have negotiated direct flights etc. as part of their agreeing to NATO expansion?

We actually came here twice on direct flights. Once in 2007 June 23rd, I remember that date because our cat was in the hold , with C.T.A. . Then again about 4 years later with Pegasus.