Residency

[AFC]

Applied this morning to extend for another year, residency expiring in 2 weeks. Been given a date in 8 months time.

Based on last year's time lines, once all the police and medical stuff had be completed, it then took another 4 months to obtain the final visa, so going by that time line, our one year extension will be process in one year!!!!

Been hearing they have been hot on giving 6 month visas, so your visa would be expired by 6 months when you receive it lol
Also would a 6 month visa received after 12 months resulting in an overstay of 6 months, mean a 6 month overstay fine lol

Really cant make it up!

[Hair Cut]

Just did mine today, it automatically said 2 years. Gave me a date 0f 4th May. So going down the route of fast track via Capital insurance.

[alphamike]

These delays are ridiculous. Whilst I don't endorse the fast track route, I fully understand why people are doing it.

I have also heard of people only being given 6 months, when they have been here for years, and nothing to do with an expiring passport.

[gates]

At last it’s got through great service Capital

[Pamuklu Blue]

Our Mukhtar in Pamuklu has knocked my wife back on a domicile letter for extending her residency as she's not been here continually for six months. She's been in UK caring for our sick son. He says a new rule has come in. So she can't renew and she cant extend her visa as she didn't get one when she arrived at Ercan as her current residency was still active. It ran out yesterday. The ultimate catch 22. She can't renew and she can't extend a visa that she doesn't have. It's looking like deportation. We don't have property in UK and have lived here 11 years. We've been to the Interior Ministry five times in the last week and just been passed from pillar to post. Has anyone else had this problem? Could someone enlighten me on Capital Insurance service please?

[Dave G]

Pamuklu Blue

There must be something wrong with the six months rule, that would mean that no new first time applications would be accepted as new arrivals can only get a 30 day to 90 day visa on arrival and no one would be able to go on holiday for a week or so, it would also mean that even if you have a 2 year residency you would not be able to leave the island for one and a half years during that period, one year awaiting the next 2 year residency and 6 months before applying for the residency after

[teatime]

How does this 'Fast Track' work? and how long does it take going that route?

[buddy]

Our Mukhtar in Pamuklu has knocked my wife back on a domicile letter for extending her residency as she's not been here continually for six months. She's been in UK caring for our sick son. He says a new rule has come in. So she can't renew and she cant extend her visa as she didn't get one when she arrived at Ercan as her current residency was still active. It ran out yesterday. The ultimate catch 22. She can't renew and she can't extend a visa that she doesn't have. It's looking like deportation. We don't have property in UK and have lived here 11 years. We've been to the Interior Ministry five times in the last week and just been passed from pillar to post. Has anyone else had this problem? Could someone enlighten me on Capital Insurance service please?

So how does this work for people with holiday homes?

[Pamuklu Blue]

dave G and Buddy, I think our Muhtar is a bit of an odd ball. The problem seems to be that whenever he tells his Kaymakimlik something, he just backs him up. I can't find anything anywhere written down to support his thinking. I've emailed the government info site but haven't had a reply as yet. As far as I can see, it's only us with this problem. I'm a member of BRS and they have a meeting lined up with the Ministry of interior and are going to bring up this issue with them. BRS assure me the rules haven't changed but my Muhtar insists they have. I think he has delusions of grandeur, a big fish in our tiny village. We'll see, I guess.

[Hair Cut]

My Muhtar's letter was written by someone she works with, she just leaves a few signed copies in her desk drawer and the girl just writes them out.

[Pamuklu Blue]

Hair Cut, I think my muhtar just has some kind of axe to grind. He knows we live here permanently. He registered our car for us five or six years ago. It's all very strange. The police in Iskele have been very helpful and sent all our documentation to immigration minus the muhtar's letter. My wife had her tests done yesterday so she's moving along in the portal but I'm sure we'll end up back in lefkosa in a couple of months time. My renewal is due in December, so we'll see if he finds another excuse to knock me back.

[Ace123]

Capital insurance where is that ? Thanks

[gates]

Go motor way first set lights turn right 500yrds on left

[gates]

This is no for girl does it 05339389808

[13roman58]

This is no for girl does it 05339389808

And what is the number for the 'phone a friend ' in immigration taking part in this corrupt transaction that is pushing geniune applicants further and further back.

[gates]

II am trying to help people not make problems like you

[snd1966]

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And what is the number for the 'phone a friend ' in immigration taking part in this corrupt transaction that is pushing geniune applicants further and further back.
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As capital bank are advertising a service to fast track not assist with residency i was assuming immigration have an agreement with the bank.
I must admit I have only seen third hand information not a direct advert so could be totally misinformed.

[gates]

Well why worry then.

[JoandJelly]

And what is the number for the 'phone a friend ' in immigration taking part in this corrupt transaction that is pushing geniune applicants further and further back.
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As capital bank are advertising a service to fast track not assist with residency i was assuming immigration have an agreement with the bank.
I must admit I have only seen third hand information not a direct advert so could be totally misinformed.
[/quote]

My understanding is they are charging £60 to obtain an early police appointment. How are they doing this exactly and who is receiving the £60? If immigration are receiving the money I would like to know if this is legal as, if so, they could just offer a paid fasttrack to all applicants. I don't understand the need for Capital Bank to be involved.

[snd1966]

My understanding is they are charging £60 to obtain an early police appointment. How are they doing this exactly and who is receiving the £60? If immigration are receiving the money I would like to know if this is legal as, if so, they could just offer a paid fasttrack to all applicants. I don't understand the need for Capital Bank to be involved.

Nor do I that's why I asked, I have seen agents , translating 'friends' being turned away. I always find the smile and asking nicely generally works. They realky need a computer programmer to write a programme to cross check who has actually been processed and still has a future appointment. To date no way of cancelling an appointment.

[Hair Cut]

My understanding is they are charging £60 to obtain an early police appointment. How are they doing this exactly and who is receiving the £60? If immigration are receiving the money I would like to know if this is legal as, if so, they could just offer a paid fasttrack to all applicants. I don't understand the need for Capital Bank to be involved.
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"Legal", tell me something that is "Legal" on this Island?

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[TAC]

And what is the number for the 'phone a friend ' in immigration taking part in this corrupt transaction that is pushing geniune applicants further and further back.
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As capital bank are advertising a service to fast track not assist with residency i was assuming immigration have an agreement with the bank.
I must admit I have only seen third hand information not a direct advert so could be totally misinformed.
[/quote]

I wouldn't bother trying Capital bank now the fast track has been stopped by the mayor

[waddo]

So if the mayor has stopped the Fast Track system, what is he doing to prevent countless Temporary Residents becoming illegal due to a failure in the current process? It gives the impression that Temporary Residents - who wish to remain legal, continue to support the country year in and year out are no longer wanted here!

[snd1966]

So if the mayor has stopped the Fast Track system, what is he doing to prevent countless Temporary Residents becoming illegal due to a failure in the current process? It gives the impression that Temporary Residents - who wish to remain legal, continue to support the country year in and year out are no longer wanted here!

Surely it should be the department processing the application that should charge for fast track. I had a choice with my actual kimlik card, ready in under 3 days or wait. I chose to wait as I had waited months for it to be processed but at least the option was with the department.

[waddo]

snd1966, Agree but the problem there is that the department that is causing the delay is the Police who say they do not have enough staff to do the job. If that is true then how can they possibly have any sort of Fast Track system - be it the one the mayor has stopped or any other - unless of course they do have enough staff but choose not to process in time with the regulations we have to meet. I have considered writing direct to Immigration over this issue but really don't want to spend Christmas in the new prison - lol.

[snd1966]

As it's been stated trained staff checking and then uploading the paperwork does seem to be the problem but it normally takes less than 48 hours once you have attended your appointment whether you wait or go down and try your luck or pay individuals. I still can not understand why there is no system to cancel your appointment and I wonder how many appointments are given in a day. Obviously not enough to allow individuals to promise a fast track in exchange for a fee, and maybe a lot of fast track money does not reach the tax office therefore if its true the mayor has stopped it soon there will be a proper fast track system in place. The government has done it for driving licences.
Recently we have had to use the exemption system, seemed very simple and thought people with a fixed income eg pension could easily have their residency renewed the same way but totally forgot a local police report is required therefore that department would then be swamped.

[Hair Cut]

Residency was done in 22 days... Thanks, Trevor.

[mrsgee]

Residency was done in 22 days... Thanks, Trevor.

It is absolutely shocking that this is allowed to happen, and by a bank! How can someone circumvent a system so easily, and in such a short space off time, 22 days!!!!, corruption is rife as long as you are willing to pay for corruption. Disgraceful.

[JoandJelly]

Residency was done in 22 days... Thanks, Trevor.

It is absolutely shocking that this is allowed to happen, and by a bank! How can someone circumvent a system so easily, and in such a short space off time, 22 days!!!!, corruption is rife as long as you are willing to pay for corruption. Disgraceful.

100% agree with you. Hopefully the mayor will be looking into who exactly was receiving the £60.

[snd1966]

Residency was done in 22 days... Thanks, Trevor.

You should also be thanking the police officer for taking the back hander from Trevor

But if full residency is achieved sadly not only the police officer, the office in Lefkoşa too.

[Ace123]

I remember lots of chatter some years ago re the over 60s not requiring a visa and look how that turned out .
Just saying

[waddo]

If from start to finish of residency renewal (assuming it was renewal going by date Hair Cut joined Kibkom) then - no matter who knew who, who paid whom or who was involved in the process - the total time taken was 22 days, then a Fast Track system was in place!

All of that assumes that it was legally achieved of course?

Regardless of how many noses have been putout of joint or feelings hurt by that system, I can see no reason why the Government do not have such an official system or systems in place already. The use of similar systems are (officially) in use in many areas Worldwide - take the UK passport renewal system as an example!

There is a need for this country to have more/faster income, there is a need for many people to need a fast track system, both are proven facts.

It would be nice if the Mayor could push for such a system and then leave it up to the public to make their own choice on which system the wish to use!

[Medjoul1]

It's not Capital bank it's Capital Insurance

[Ace123]

Ithink the point the mayor was making is where does the money go as not necessarily the government .
It would be nice if the renewal button was that , but we have to do the process all over again ……. It has improved greatly from previous years when there was no computer system for this at all

[mrsgee]

It's not Capital bank it's Capital Insurance

Part of capital Bank group though I think, either way be interesting to know where the money goes.

[gates]

Does anyone think of the hard work and the stress and strain they are taking out of people life. Some people are happy to pay the money and get on with life without having to do and worry about this stuff. I know I would for one

[mrsgee]

Does anyone think of the hard work and the stress and strain they are taking out of people life. Some people are happy to pay the money and get on with life without having to do and worry about this stuff. I know I would for one

The point is gates, not everyone wants to pay for a 'service' that simply disrupts the system and pushes everyone back in the queue, whilst taking advantage of a dire situation, and making mega bucks out of it. There no clear explanation as far as I have seen, from a financial institution that should be trustworthy, as to where that money goes, is it backhanders, or what, and if it is then the Mayor should step in and stop it.

[gates]

That be unusual out here something illegal what sort of tv do you watch.

[Hair Cut]

Does anyone think of the hard work and the stress and strain they are taking out of people life. Some people are happy to pay the money and get on with life without having to do and worry about this stuff. I know I would for one

Great post, to the point.

[Kanonier]

That be unusual out here something illegal what sort of tv do you watch.

Touche!

[mrsgee]

That be unusual out here something illegal what sort of tv do you watch.

Gates it is nothing to do with the type of TV I watch and frankly that is quite a pathetic and insulting comment to make. At the end of the day, yes if people are happy to pay and possibly fuel corruption then their choice of course. However it is very wrong to use the example of people being stressed by the system, whilst advocating the very thing that is disrupting the system and causing the stress, whilst making money out of people. End of!!

[Mowgli597]

I wonder if those who object to the service being offered (which they are perfectly entitled to ignore) would not use private health insurance; fast-track security check at an airport; priority boarding on an aircraft; first class seating on a train; an express passport renewal service; the “over 60” concession mentioned by Waddo under the old residency system or any of the 101+ other “queue jumping” services which people use daily.

[TRNCMaths]

I wonder if those who object to the service being offered would not use private health insurance; fast-track security check at an airport; etc

It's not so much the morality of a fast-track system, it's the matter of who's taking the money - that £60 is not going into government coffers, but the pocket of an individual (or individuals) involved in this covert Capital Insurance "service". Unfortunately all those involved, including those handing over the £60, are complicit in a crime.

[RJW]

Well if Capital can do a fast track application which is questionable regarding were fee goes ,why dont the government get there act together and offer one for a fee which goes into there finances ?

[waddo]

RJW, I thought I made that point with my post No32 in this thread? Maybe not but I agree with you, then the choice would be down to the individual as always.

So what exactly is the crime? Is it a crime to go to your NHS doctor, who tells you it will take 3 months to get an MRI - but - if you go to see a specialist (the same doctor in his own office) he can get you an MRI within 2 days for a set fee?

Provided that the applicant is still paying all the requirements of the residency/sigorta application, then the Government is not missing out on anything. In fact the Government is actually gaining on that deal as they are getting the money into their coffers around six months earlier than is currently possible. In effect the person using a fast track system is helping the Government and providing extra income for those involved in providing the service.

I guess the "crime" is that some people do not like the fact that other people will pay/can extra for a faster and better service, if and when they can afford to. Personally I see not problem with it at all, now I will jump into my V registered Rolls Royce and nip down to the shops for another 19 ltr water bottle - Oh, sorry, can't do that as I could not afford the Rolls Royce, so guess I will have to use my old car that I could afford instead - lol.

[gates]

I am sure if the service was offered buy the imigration here then people would use that. I find it hard to understand why if someone has to get home urgently due to health reasons there’s or family then why is this a problem. I am sure the only reason people are using this service is because they need to. If that’s the case then who would not go down that route. The government doesn’t offer it don’t care about the problems that they are causing financially and stressfully. How much money is this really generating. It seems to be causing more problems to the people that don’t need it than the big problem of fraud. It all seems crazy and out of date

[TRNCMaths]

Well if Capital can do a fast track application which is questionable regarding were fee goes ,why dont the government get there act together and offer one for a fee which goes into there finances ?

I'm certainly not against that ... despite what Waddo writes in msg 45 ... and I fully appreciate the concerns of Gates in msg 46. However, as it stands, with this under-the-table "service", there are currently individuals who are using their position to line their pockets.

[snd1966]

Yes fully understand standard service, fast track service is a well known service offered but my main worry here is promises and whether it will come back to bite me. To guarantee a service there should be an agreement in place, the country gives agents the authority to run around on your behalf, pay what you think it's worth, the choice is yours etc.
Personally I have always tried to do everything where possible myself and learnt a lot. Has anyone actually been turned away from the police if they have had all the paperwork? I accompanied a customer who's appointment was in August in April with big smiles to inquire and he took her paperwork with no stories about leaving etc. Unfortunately we could not cancel her appointment in August

[waddo]

snd1966, we are the same as you, starting in 2007 and remembering the days of chaos with “agents” and their cars full of scantily clad girls just jumping any form of que and being served with a smile, to the great - failed - numbering system that never really worked and now the outside crowd who may or may not have appointments! Have you ever been called to the window outside by name? I think it just relies on who can push to the front first and fastest or in the case of some forigen residents, who can be the most belligerent, to get served at anytime. Last year we went early and on the wrong day, by accident I am sorry to say, but when we reached the window we were just served as normal and nothing was said. When we went back home to check if it had worked as normal I found out that our appointment was actually a month later! Tried to let the police know the next day by going to the window to cancel it and just got the shrug! I sometimes wonder if this long delay in police appointments is a way of showing that they need more staff and are providing evidence that they do?

[ljarvo]

It’s not just Capital that offer this service there are a few companies that offer it and have done so for years

If immigration can’t sort out applications in a timely manner the it’s no wonder people go down this route …