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Posted: **Fri 20 Sep 2024 10:18 pm**

Carelsberg 50 tl in shops . Average 100 in bars or more.
Strongbow 35 in most shops ..120 and more in bars.
Also the 35 tl is for 500 ml cans and not the 440. Just been charged 120 for a 440 can.
Disgraceful profiteering for what's supposed to be an ex pat bar .

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 5:14 am**

100% & more, markup. Has now become the norm here. If we who live here. All vote with our feet come winter???
What will they do? Put price up again. Cyprus mentally!!!!

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 7:49 am**

Mimi2 wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Sep 2024 5:14 am
100% & more, markup. Has now become the norm here. If we who live here. All vote with our feet come winter???
What will they do? Put price up again. Cyprus mentally!!!!

These prices are almost 200% mark up

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 7:52 am**

Never mind beer, ı'm upset about the price of tea bags!

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 8:44 am**

God, I hope many of them go bust in the winter and they are left with so much stock that they have paid for.As Mimi2 said look at the menu and if the price is a rip off walk out telling them why.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 8:53 am**

[100% & more, markup. Has now become the norm here. If we who live here. All vote with our feet come winter???
What will they do? Put price up again. Cyprus mentally!!!!/quote]

More like 300% mark up, whisky say red label JWalker , is 200TL a drink + mixer a Bottle 70cl is 280 TL (approx).

which means 16 doubles from one bottle = 3200 TL HOW ABOUT THAT FOR MARK UP

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 9:19 am**

Wages/electric/water/rent/ council bill etc all up,
Who in their right mind can run a buisness anymore.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 9:36 am**

13roman58 wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Sep 2024 9:19 am
Wages/electric/water/rent/ council bill etc all up,
Who in their right mind can run a buisness anymore.

Agreed, I feel for anyone trying to do so. I can't imagine how stressful it must be to try and find all the extra cash that's required.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 9:48 am**

Especially if rent is in sterling

Definitely need good new ideas to get people to venture out and spend otherwise we will not have cafes, restaurants to moan about next year.
Bums on seats is required, not hitting those who are trying to be loyal to cover their costs.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 10:25 am**

Everyone can moan about being indoors then.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 1:06 pm**

susiesusie wrote: ↑
Fri 20 Sep 2024 10:18 pm
Carelsberg 50 tl in shops . Average 100 in bars or more.
Strongbow 35 in most shops ..120 and more in bars.
Also the 35 tl is for 500 ml cans and not the 440. Just been charged 120 for a 440 can.
Disgraceful profiteering for what's supposed to be an ex pat bar .

Maybe the suppliers can provide direct for efes,carlsberg etc and they pay later but cider etc is from the supermarket money up front praying they will sell it.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 2:09 pm**

Take our own and then offer to pay corkage. That would shock them!!

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 2:34 pm**

Two choices. Stay at home and consume cheap alcohol or go to a bar and pay extra for the overheads of the staff electric & taxes. All these businesses are struggling.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 2:51 pm**

buddy wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Sep 2024 2:34 pm
Two choices. Stay at home and consume cheap alcohol or go to a bar and pay extra for the overheads of the staff electric & taxes. All these businesses are struggling.

Easy choices to make, everyone is just trying to get by. Some people have higher overheads than others.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 3:51 pm**

buddy, I am well aware that many (but not all) are struggling, but as the basic salary is going up at a greater rate and percentage (every three months) than my UK pension we can be justifiably by concerned. (They think we are all rich, it was said jokingly to my face last week. when a shop keeper was leaning against his almost new Merc and I was getting in to my 11 year old Mitsubishi. Plus the increased Residency and this ridiculous nonsense many of us are trying to cope with now, I feel we have a right to voice our views without being made to feel guilty. I certainly don't feel guilty, not one little bit.

Posted: **Sat 21 Sep 2024 5:31 pm**

Min wage increase is not really helping anyone it's just a vicious circle

Posted: **Wed 23 Oct 2024 7:14 pm**

Still at it. 35 tl in shops today and bars continue to put this particular drink up in price. I just don't get it at all.
130 in a popular bar now .
Beer 100. Why

Posted: **Wed 23 Oct 2024 8:06 pm**

GREED!
Lots of small profit generating volumes of customers = big profit, something lost on the 'so called' businessman/woman operators in TRNC

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 6:43 am**

Sounds like you want benidorm. Imo there simply isnt the demand here for what you are suggesting. If i was opening a drinks business it would be a coffee bar. Worldwide its huge mark up and diverse clientel. A cheap bar selling pints isnt most peoples cup of tea and declining demand in north cyprus.

I sat in a bar last night to watch premiere league.
Had 2 zero coke 120 tl a c200% mark up .they where brought to my table with ice and a glass they even brought a small tray of nuts. £2.70 incredible value.& Later the bill &.money also collected

There where only 4 other customers. Who had a couple of pints each. There is no way this bar is making money . I very much doubt decreasing the price would increase traffic that would result in a better overall margin.i find some people completely naive about the associated costs & economics of running a business. This isnt benidorm full of people out for a skinful. Most of the british i know that go to bars would sit there for hours with one or 2 drinks its hardly an attractive business proposition . Ive been chipping in about price rises but relative to uk bars this is one area which is still advantageous here. Doubt you can get 1 coke for £2.70 in the uk..never mind nuts!

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 8:04 am**

I couldn't care a monkeys about who is paying what for alcohol. What concerns me are the ridiculous increases on food stuffs. Some really basic, i.e. bread, eggs, milk. And don't get me on the subject of veggies and some fruits.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 9:36 am**

Don’t think you can compare the supermarket price of a bottle of beer and its price in a bar.
I used to be amazed at how cheap wine in restaurants was and for years the mark up on beer in bars & wine in restaurants was quite small. I guess now with all their costs increasing they are seeing how much they can raise their prices.
I hate doing the “but in the U.K.” bit but you’d pay a lot more for a bottle of say Budweiser in a pub than you would in a supermarket, so how does the % mark up
compare?

What they do need to be careful of is that it is quite expensive to travel to the TRNC in comparison to other European countries, but you got great value for money when you were here. If you remove that value for money then people are going to look at other options which cost the same and are frankly a lot better with cleaner beaches, better shops, better cuisine, constant power etc etc
Its very competitive out there, if you up your prices you need to up your game

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 9:56 am**

200TL for a whisky, a bottle costs the same AND 16 doubles out of a single bottle = 16 x 200 = 3200 TL similar for all shorts. It would seem that 300%/400% mark up is the norm now.

Chicken dish (you pick one) 70 tl per big breast, chicken meal = 450-600 Tl your having a laugh !!

Don't get me going about the reduction in veg and salad and they are so cheap here, can you believe half of a potato down to a quarter, no dressing on a salad, for gods sake Apple Cider Vinegar+ Honey 3:1 some black pepper, not rocket science is it !!

Some fruit for desert, on yer bike !!!

We have stopped going to several restaurants because of the rip off. PURE GREED

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 9:58 am**

Exactly. fruit and vegetables is my main gripe..
So much more than turkey...a huge disparity in price in some instances..has to be corruption and the goverment is complicit. it doesnt cost that much to transport...

The mark.up on spirits is comparable to most of the rest of the world so i disagree with that but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 10:33 am**

tutor4u wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 9:56 am
200TL for a whisky, a bottle costs the same AND 16 doubles out of a single bottle = 16 x 200 = 3200 TL similar for all shorts. It would seem that 300%/400% mark up is the norm now.

Not a spirits drinker and not been in a pub or bar in the U.K. for a while but just having a quick Google, a litre bottle of Bacardi costs £24 from Tesco online. Attached is a recent price list from a bar, I can’t speak for how it compares with the norm but there is a fair old mark up there.
As for food, restaurants around the world generally work on a rule of thumb of charging 4 x the cost of Ingredients for a meal given there are a lot of other costs involved.

For me the big one is rents. The rents that you hear restaurants are being charged are ludicrous and can only be passed onto the customer if the restaurant or bar is to remain viable.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 11:39 am**

My point was. 40tl in a supermarket for a beer selling at 100 in a bar. Yet cider which is cheaper to buy at 35tl today is selling for over 130 tl and some instances 200 tl. Does it matter what drink it is ?

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 11:47 am**

susiesusie wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 11:39 am
My point was. 40tl in a supermarket for a beer selling at 100 in a bar. Yet cider which is cheaper to buy at 35tl today is selling for over 130 tl and some instances 200 tl. Does it matter what drink it is ?

I guess bars have loss leaders like any business. “We’ll get you in for cheap bread or milk to catch you on stuff with a higher mark up.” Plus volume is probably a factor, if they sell 10 times as much beer as cider they may probably be happier with a lower mark up? That said I am trying to use business logic here which is an unknown concept in TRNC it seems?

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 12:24 pm**

Not a spirits drinker and not been in a pub or bar in the U.K. for a while but just having a quick Google, a litre bottle of Bacardi costs £24 from Tesco online.

This is not relevant; a price comparison to a bottle in Tesco’s compared to the price paid here.
The issue is the amount of profiteering that is taking place.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 1:44 pm**

tutor4u wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 12:24 pm

Not a spirits drinker and not been in a pub or bar in the U.K. for a while but just having a quick Google, a litre bottle of Bacardi costs £24 from Tesco online.
This is not relevant; a price comparison to a bottle in Tesco’s compared to the price paid here.
The issue is the amount of profiteering that is taking place.

I’m pointing out the multiples used in the U.K. as in the price of a bottle of spirits to the bar prices or margin if you prefer. It doesn’t matter what the local price is so much as the multiple/margin. If the bottle costs £1 they will look to get a value of £4 to £5 from it. Previously the multiple wasn’t as high. Given the costs such as rent & the rise in utilities and minimum wage I am not so sure there is that much profiteering going on as trying to keep the bar or restaurant viable.
Their problem is as many/most ex pats are on fixed incomes they will vote with their feet. Either way the bars and restaurants are screwed.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 2:44 pm**

benjaminbutton wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 8:04 am
I couldn't care a monkeys about who is paying what for alcohol. What concerns me are the ridiculous increases on food stuffs. Some really basic, i.e. bread, eggs, milk. And don't get me on the subject of veggies and some fruits.

Agreed

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 3:28 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 1:44 pm

Their problem is as many/most ex pats are on fixed incomes they will vote with their feet. Either way the bars and restaurants are screwed.

That's exactly it ETS. While I can hardly say I spent my pension with wild abandon in the past, it's certainly not going as far as it used to here. I do now pick and choose where to go for coffee and a bite to eat and don't eat out as frequently as I used to. I would like to support local places more, but am simply not in a position to do so and suspect that I am not alone.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 3:38 pm**

I think you will see a few bars and restaurants close in the next 12 months. The three increases in the minimum wage during 2024 has been a disaster for the economy, you simply cannot continually pass on the increases to the consumer.
As you say people will vote with their feet, hotels already reducing prices for next year, numerous restaurants offering delivery of food, never happened in the years I have lived here before.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 4:03 pm**

alphamike wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 3:28 pm

That's exactly it ETS. While I can hardly say I spent my pension with wild abandon in the past, it's certainly not going as far as it used to here. I do now pick and choose where to go for coffee and a bite to eat and don't eat out as frequently as I used to. I would like to support local places more, but am simply not in a position to do so and suspect that I am not alone.

I think when these bars and restaurants are running on such fine margins, regular customers eating out once a week instead of twice or twice a month instead of every week coupled with a decline in tourism could well be enough to see them go under. Even a 5% reduction in turnover could well see them becoming unviable

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 4:10 pm**

tutor4u wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 3:38 pm

numerous restaurants offering delivery of food, never happened in the years I have lived here before.

At least that shows a little imagination.

I’d guess many got into the habit of cooking at home during the lockdowns and that would’ve illustrated how unimaginative the offering is in our restaurants. It isn’t beyond most of us to grill a lamb chop, knock up a salad or do some chips.

If I was a local market I’d seriously look into supplying ready meals in their chilled cabinets. We are seriously missing the ease of popping into a supermarket and buying something you can just throw in the oven with a minimum of effort or skill.
For example, I’ve found even the best Indian restaurants out here to be very mediocre so anyone who can prepare a good well priced curry would do very well I think.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 4:28 pm**

I suggested to an Indian I use for takeaway to do set thalis, but they weren't in the slightest bit interested. I cannot fathom this one out as they do buffets regularly. Perhaps I am alone in wanting several different small dishes and thus having a feast compared to one or two items.

ETS many supermarkets do offer ready made food at their deli counters but not pre-packaged as in other European countries. The choice isn't there for me being vegetarian, but have still to check out what Sah has to offer as have been advised they have a better range.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 5:11 pm**

alphamike wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 4:28 pm
I suggested to an Indian I use for takeaway to do set thalis, but they weren't in the slightest bit interested. I cannot fathom this one out as they do buffets regularly. Perhaps I am alone in wanting several different small dishes and thus having a feast compared to one or two items.

ETS many supermarkets do offer ready made food at their deli counters but not pre-packaged as in other European countries. The choice isn't there for me being vegetarian, but have still to check out what Sah has to offer as have been advised they have a better range.

The joy of an Indian or Chinese is various dishes. I don’t go twice with anyone who orders THEIR dish and doesn’t share.

Yeah they do bits on the deli counters but it isn’t an inspiring choice. I seriously feel there would be a decent sized market for someone knocking up some packaged dishes with some basic reheating instructions on and displaying them on the shelves.

Posted: **Thu 24 Oct 2024 5:29 pm**

EnjoyingTheSun wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Oct 2024 5:11 pm

The joy of an Indian or Chinese is various dishes. I don’t go twice with anyone who orders THEIR dish and doesn’t share.

Yeah they do bits on the deli counters but it isn’t an inspiring choice. I seriously feel there would be a decent sized market for someone knocking up some packaged dishes with some basic reheating instructions on and displaying them on the shelves.

Can only agree, it's so much better to have a good selection of Indian or Chinese to try out....apart from the non veggie stuff for me.

Yes the fare at deli counters does nothing for me at all really, other than some of the cold dishes, which mostly I could make myself in minutes.

Posted: **Fri 25 Oct 2024 9:43 am**

benjaminbutton wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Sep 2024 3:51 pm
buddy, I am well aware that many (but not all) are struggling, but as the basic salary is going up at a greater rate and percentage (every three months) than my UK pension we can be justifiably by concerned. (They think we are all rich, it was said jokingly to my face last week. when a shop keeper was leaning against his almost new Merc and I was getting in to my 11 year old Mitsubishi. Plus the increased Residency and this ridiculous nonsense many of us are trying to cope with now, I feel we have a right to voice our views without being made to feel guilty. I certainly don't feel guilty, not one little bit.

Posted: **Fri 25 Oct 2024 10:34 am**

On a more positive note went to the Old Mill last night , Thursday is Pie Night is simply the best, good food and location,

Posted: **Fri 25 Oct 2024 12:46 pm**

Not Pie and Mash and mush peas, covered in parsely liqueur (gravy to you and me) which is now being classed as a National Dish in UK. Foreigners are queuing up to buy it in London and loads of open air markets. Their faces when its put in front of them!! But they seem to love it when they taste it.

Posted: **Fri 25 Oct 2024 1:23 pm**

No not "Not Pie and Mash and mush peas"

Posted: **Fri 25 Oct 2024 1:42 pm**

Only yesterday being with 2 londoners discussing they missed most, pie and liqueur, being a devon girl what is it? Looks disgusting white sauce everywhere. Reply it's a London dish. But then people have brown gravy with fish and chips, can't imagine what it tastes like!
Totally off subject but I will let them know about pie night

Posted: **Sat 26 Oct 2024 8:22 pm**

benjaminbutton wrote: ↑
Fri 25 Oct 2024 12:46 pm
Not Pie and Mash and mush peas, covered in parsely liqueur (gravy to you and me) which is now being classed as a National Dish in UK. Foreigners are queuing up to buy it in London and loads of open air markets. Their faces when its put in front of them!! But they seem to love it when they taste it.

You will not find mushy peas anywhere near traditional pie and mash and liquor is not gravy. You should try it if you get the chance but only from a real pie and mash shop.

Posted: **Sun 27 Oct 2024 11:30 am**

I translated the liqueur to gravy cos I assumed people would think the pies were smothered in booze otherwise. Re mushy peas, its just me and my favorite market stall allowed a choice. I know B.J would shudder if it wasn't awash in parsley sauce. Fifth generation I think it is now.

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