Cyprus shengen issues

[Reyntj]

https://knews.kathimerini.com.cy/en/new ... d-division


Cyprus isnt in schengen yet but should be. The green line would have to become a hard border....they would hate that ! If they dont it weakens their eu membership and status...a conundrum for them..

Further details in linked article.

[waddo]

As they already apply - kind of - schengen rules at the Green Line whilst using the UN as their border control, once they become a full schengen member then the border control would fall on them and the UN would no longer be a requirement??? Losing the UN income in the South would be a massive blow to their economy?

What effect would schengen have on the SBA area's I wonder? They would also need Hard Borders as they are not in the EU.

If the North get's their wish and Cyprus becomes two independent states then no borders would be necessary as the whole Island is in the EU at present?

My guess is that the South will perform the miracle "Shrug" and just continue to be stubborn and try to extend whilst crying about the whole thing and blaming Turkey for everything!

Interesting times indeed.

[Nc2016]

The North is currently suspended from the EU.
I’d imagine that if the 2 state solution happens then the North would have to apply for EU membership. Same as Scotland would had they gained independence.

[waddo]

Not really as simple as it looks: https://cyprus.representation.ec.europa ... mmunity_en. It is only the EU law that is suspended in the North due to lack of effective control by the Republic of Cyprus! The whole of Cyprus is in the EU now. It is a very complex issue that I feel sure the RoC will make the most of in any agreement reached. Somehow I think it is all coming to a head finally but I have been wrong many, many times before and can only wait and see - lol. Interesting that Shengen is now going to prod the South into doing something they do not want to do!

[Nc2016]

But that’s all based on reunification of the Island.
A two state solution allowing TRNC to remain in the EU, but still basically under control of Turkey would surely mean an EU external border here with Turkey? That would go down well with Ankara.

No, it’s not simple. It’s actually a lot more complex than your link Waddo.

[waddo]

Quite agree, it's much more complex than the link and there are many more links like it that are so difficult to follow and only confuse a totally confusing situation further. The RoC will never want a two state solution, the TRNC will never want a federation, so where do they go from there? As without Ankara behind the TRNC the country (TRNC) could not exist in a self supporting manner. However, if the TRNC became one of two states and effectively lifted the current acquis in force, it would automatically be a full member of the EU. That would mean that aid and assistance from Turkey could stop and the TRNC could throw itself onto the EU for the same aid and assistance - like Spain, Italy and the rest have done in the past?
That would save Turkey loads of money although it would mean a hard border between the TRNC and Turkey, that would not please Turkey as they would then have a problem with exports/imports/immigration etc. It would give the TRNC major problems as well in trying to meet all the requirements of an EU member. Throw into that mix the SBA as well as the current role of the Guarantor powers and it becomes even more difficult. And that is just for starters - lol. We could go on at this for years and I have no doubt that those in power have thought through the whole problem already - hence the status quo is probably where we will be for a long time yet to come.

[MnM]

This quote from "Programme objectives" in waddo's link above made me laugh,

"develop and refurbish infrastructure (particularly energy, transport, environment, telecommunications and water supply)"

And they went and built an internationally non-functioning airport instead though it does mention transport to be fair - all a matter of priorities I suppose

[Mowgli597]

Why not a “Windsor Framework” type of agreement such as that being implemented between the U.K. and Ireland to try to resolve the problem of a “hard border” between the North and South of Ireland (ie the EU and a third-world country) caused by Brexit?

(As long as there are no members of the DUP involved in the negotiations!)