Forgotten Souls

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Tue 27 Jan 2015 5:15 pm

Open Letter:

Fric and Frac have received their second Rabies jabs today.

They will have a Rabies serology blood test in a further 15 days time. This will be sent off to Scotland by KAR.

After 3 weeks if the blood tests come back OK, the 90 day waiting period will have started from the day the blood samples were taken.

They have been micro-chipped and a TRNC passport has been issued to them.

KAR have written to a courier in Turkey with 5 different ways we could transport them via Turkey to get a range of costs. Once these quotes are back I will have to evaluate each one in terms of cost and practability. I have an obligation to everyone who has donated to use the money raised wisely.

An export licence will be required.

An annexe form will be required.

I envisage that Fric and Frac will not be going to Ireland before May/June 2015.

Please note the purpose of this post is soley to inform you as to what the latest situation is.

I would like to point out to the moderator's it is now 10 days since you locked my thread. No one has contacted me at any stage even though I have offerred to help any investigation.

The only parties sufferring from this delay are Fric and Frac.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Tue 27 Jan 2015 6:37 pm

Blue eyes, is forking money out hand over fist to keep them in kennels at his own expense. Now is faced with the additional expense of the injection, passport, documents etc. It is extremely unfair that their owner has not coughed up a kurus toward trying to rehome them!!

ozankoys · Post by **ozankoys** » Wed 28 Jan 2015 7:08 am

Thank you for the update it is very disappointing for everyone that the journey to their new home has been delayed.

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Wed 28 Jan 2015 1:49 pm

It is very disappointing to hear of a further delay in their forthcoming journey but please be assured they are not forgotten souls, certainly not by me.

Maisiemoo · Post by **Maisiemoo** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 9:52 am

So sad these lovely dogs have to endure a further delay to get to their forever homes.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 10:46 am

I really want to update the forum via the other thread Finding Forever Homes for Fric and Frac. However, I respect there is an "investigation" going on (day 12) and will refrain from using this thread to ask for donations or talk financial details. However, should the moderator's wish me to forward them the e mail I received via KAR, I can do this.

Regards BlueEyes.

rowan · Post by **rowan** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 6:26 pm

without wishing to delay anything that will influence the future of these two unfortunate dogs, I can see why Soner would wish to have investigation. However, I feel that 12 days is a long time for nothing to be happening when every day effects the lives and expenditure for these two dogs. So, come on Soner, please give some answers.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 6:55 pm

Soner you will now have to explain the outcome of your investigation not only on this forum but on facebook too as this appeared on one of my posts today.

Kemal Basat I like to know more about the accusations of illegal activity surrounding these dogs, anybody have information? http://www.kibkomnorthcyprusforum.com/v ... c.php?f=39...
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Is this part of your investigation or an attempt by someone to sabatoge my attempt to re-home these 2 dogs? Whichever way the vague nature of your reason to freeze the thread has put seeds of doubt in peoples minds.

The fact that I have pm'd you twice and you have not even had the courtesy to acknowledge me is most unreasonable.

Soner, please say what you have to say and permit me my say. If you do not want me to raise funds via the forum just say. I am not looking for trouble or promoting any undesirables. I am just trying to save these dogs from going onto the street.

If your investigation is to go beyond the next 24 hours do I have permission to give details of the quote I was given for taking the dogs from the TRNC to Dublin? This is the one that forwarded on to me by KAR, which you will be aware of?

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 7:20 pm

Is there any moderator online who in Soner's absence can permit me to reveal the cost of sending Fric and Frac by Surmen couriers to Dublin as forwarded to me by KAR. My purpose is only to advise the forum and not mislead anyone as the real cost.

I will also ask permission next week to pass on the quote details for me to drive with the 2 dogs to Kos and for Pet Couriers Ltd to deliver to Dublin.

The final option I have is to go with them by road to Dublin (this will be dependant on whether my work place will give me 2 weeks unpaid leave).

Lastly anyone who has supported my campaign to help these 2 dogs can without any questions asked request the full amount of their donation to be returned to them by pming me.

Regards Blue Eyes.

surfmeetseast · Post by **surfmeetseast** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 7:28 pm

I really feel for your frustration Blue Eyes! I cannot understand why your post was locked, this is just inhibiting any person trying to help animals. Sorry,

surfmeetseast · Post by **surfmeetseast** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 7:31 pm

Also to say that it is not good enough to have post locked and no response from moderators! What is going on?

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 7:39 pm

I posted the last item knowing thatbthere was at least one moderator online. They conveniently just logged off.

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 7:56 pm

This is just so sad for you Blue Eyes & ultimately Fric & Frac on finding their forever home.

I don't usually join in contentious issues but having followed your quest for these two lovely dogs I think you deserve a little more respect from the moderators & from your perspective to be informed of what the problem is/or not to enable you to do something about it.

Come on moderators this might not seem important to yourselves but it is for Fric & Frac & their persevering guardian Angel.

For myself I am not looking for the return of my donation as I know you are doing the very best for these dogs, if only the same could be said for some others.

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 9:30 pm

Why does there there have to be an investigation into a caring person trying to find homes for two very difficult to re home dogs, how long are we to wait for a result. I have noticed there have not been any moderator input into this thread, one in particular who usually has something to say about most things.

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 9:53 pm

Couldn't agree more Paddywack, it almost seems like ...dare I say it collusion

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 10:00 pm

Cally wrote:Couldn't agree more Paddywack, it almost seems like ...dare I say it collusion

I would call it more than that.

modman · Post by **modman** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 10:13 pm

Might I apologise on behalf of the mods, we are aware of the situation but the decision lies with Soner, we have no power to make the rules.

We have limited responsibility and will continue to act within the guidelines we have been given. Please, don't take it out on us!!

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 10:19 pm

modman wrote:Might I apologise on behalf of the mods, we are aware of the situation but the decision lies with Soner, we have no power to make the rules.

We have limited responsibility and will continue to act within the guidelines we have been given. Please, don't take it out on us!!

Where have we heard this before, not my fault, only obeying orders, but has not any body queried the appalling situation of blue eyes and the two dogs with Sonar, or are you just hoping it will go away.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 10:31 pm

At the risk of being banned from Kibkom. May I say that I think Blue Eyes has been very unfairly treated. He has been left in a situation, not of his own doing because he tried to help a friend, who had to leave the country! Two large dogs were virtually dumped on him with an ultimatum, find them homes or have them put down!!The owner has not contributed one kurus to this operation! Numerous people have offered to help and now the cost of trying to find them forever homes in Ireland has escalated. Soner, you wanted an investigation!, but no contact has been made or enquiries to Blue Eyes! As he is unable to post on the original forum topic re Fric and Frac he is unable to explain what the current position is! I am sure the majority of people both on here,Facebook and gofundme and paypal are not requesting a refund of their donations, but just want some action in helping get there two dogs to Ireland asap!!

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Thu 29 Jan 2015 10:41 pm

Thank you Paddywack & Owl Lady, being only a swallow but a massive animal lover I tread very carefully on this forum having been put in my place on one occasion.

I am beginning to believe Fric & Frac are forgotten souls by the powers in charge

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 12:07 am

Cally wrote:Thank you Paddywack & Owl Lady, being only a swallow but a massive animal lover I tread very carefully on this forum having been put in my place on one occasion.

I am beginning to believe Fric & Frac are forgotten souls by the powers in charge

I too am a "swallow" but that not stopping me having an opinion and tellng it how it is.

Post by **Soner** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 9:43 am

OMG, calm down everybody. I was out all day/night yesterday and the day before on business and this morning have over a hundred emails that I need to get through before I even attempt to tackle this issue.

Fric and Frac have atleast another 90 days in TRNC, so there is no major rush. I have been investigating in between other work commitments and will advise all in due course.

Blueeyes, I will respond to you directly via PM, but had been advised not to contact you at the very start by another member that supports what you are doing. However, please do not speculate and do not try and put me under any pressure to give you answers - the thread was closed for several reasons and I will decide as to whether I will re-open it or not.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 10:01 am

Soner with due respect you were advised not to contact me only on the day you decided to freeze the thread. I pm'd you the very next day to say it was ok to contact me. It is courtesy to acknowledge any correspondence regardless of whether you address the issues.

Yesterday I asked for your permission to post details of the quote given to me by Sumerman via KAR. Do I or don't I have permission to post the details on this thread?

Regards

Blue Eyes

Post by **Soner** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 10:27 am

Blueeyes, please do not pressurise me, I have more pressing issues to deal with whether you like it or not.

You have no idea as to how many PM's, Emails I get each day. Your PM is one of very many. I have also had many of members complaining about your thread - so please give me time to deal with situation.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 10:37 am

Soner, I am asking to post the details of an email with the cost of getting the dogs to Ireland by Sumerman. This has nothing to do with your investigation. I am asking your permission to post this on the forum out of respect to the forum members before I post it any where else. As you can appreciate every person who has donated has the right to know what the final cost can be. I cannot commit to any courier without knowing I can find the financing. This is definitely something I need to do asap as not to mislead anyone. Please treat this in isolation to your ongoing investigation. If I did not respect your stance I would just go ahead and post without your permission.

Regards

Blue Eyes

Post by **Soner** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 11:08 am

Go ahead and post. I have temporarily unlocked other thread.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Fri 30 Jan 2015 3:11 pm

thank you Soner

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Sat 31 Jan 2015 8:16 am

Thank you Cally for your continued support for Fric and Frac once more.

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Thu 05 Feb 2015 7:59 pm

I'm beginning to believe Fric & Frac are now forgotten souls. May I appeal for one further effort to get these beautiful dogs their forever home.

I am making a further donation.

Is it possible to get some Cyprus Today expose or similar newspaper.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Thu 05 Feb 2015 8:56 pm

Thank you cally recieved with thanks and updated on gofundme x

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Thu 05 Feb 2015 10:51 pm

So what is the latest if any on the investigation? to quote an IRA leader "it is not going away"

kimi · Post by **kimi** » Fri 06 Feb 2015 7:53 am

Poor old Fric and Frac ... cant believe people have actually complained and suggested illegal activity about Blue Eyes's amazing efforts to rehome these dogs to the UK. Surely the original owner is the person to scrutinise for leaving the dogs ... Blue Eyes should be commended for his efforts for these 2 beautiful yet unwanted dogs.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Fri 06 Feb 2015 9:48 am

Kimi thank you for your support in this matter. I am sure no one knows these two beautiful dog more than you, seeing them every day. Sadly I am sure they now believe that were they are, is their forever home.As Paddywack has asked, is there anymore information on the investigation? I appreciate that they are not able to leave Cyprus as had been hoped for, but funds need to raised to achieve their move to Galway as soon they are able to travel. I for one will continue to support, to the best of my ability and I am sure many more are also willing to help!!

Cally thanks for your continued support!

paddywack · Post by **paddywack** » Fri 06 Feb 2015 9:56 am

Someone has yet to put there head above the parapet to explain as to why these dogs are being stopped from traveling, and who are the people behind it.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Mon 09 Feb 2015 9:14 am

A number of people of have quite rightly questioned what the "real" owner of Fric and Frac has done to help these dogs after he left. He did leave some money to cover 3 dogs being kept in kennels for 12 days and finding homes for the dogs within 2 weeks or "make a difficult decision". The money he left has been exhausted many times over since the dogs have been in a pet hotel for for 4 months now.

When previously asked for help he has promised on separate occasions to myself and H4P but never kept any of his promises.

If anyone from this forum is on Facebook, I would suggest you post on Fric and Frac's page and ask him if he is willing to help his own dogs?

He follows everything Fric and Frac related on Facebook.

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Mon 16 Feb 2015 7:32 am

Serology Rabies Blood Test samples taken on Saturday 14th February to be delivered to KAR today. Results will take up to 3 weeks to come through. If all OK then then the 90 day wait also started on 14th February. Therefore, once an export certificate is obtained Fric and Frac could enter the EU anytime AFTER 16th May.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Mon 16 Feb 2015 3:21 pm

Some good news at last, even though they have to wait for what seems a endless time. Poor dogs must think that the vets is their " new for ever home" Thank you for you perseverance and dedication to their cause, in spite of some negative postings. I will continue to help, as long as it takes to get them to Galway!

surfmeetseast · Post by **surfmeetseast** » Mon 16 Feb 2015 7:06 pm

You are a Star Owl lady xxxq

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Tue 17 Feb 2015 1:53 pm

So annoying I have just lost a post.

That is good to hear BlueEyes (I think). Does that mean all being well medical wise they will receive their EU passports & be able to enter the EU to begin their journey home, I presume that will be a cheaper way to travel. I know Fric & Frac are safe and it is not ideal where they are but things could have been so much worse if you hadn’t stepped up to the mark.
I know you are one in a million and couldn’t of done it without your little helpers so a big thank you from Fric & Frac & I will still be supporting you over the next 90 days.

Cally

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Tue 17 Feb 2015 4:37 pm

In 87 days time and once an Export Licence is purchased there will be no need for an EU Passport. Fric and Frac will be able to travel to and between EU countries for a given period. This period will be more than enough time to take them to Ireland.

I would like to thank everyone who has supported me both vocally and financially. This has helped give me strength to see this through to a happy ending for these 2 lovely dogs.

surfmeetseast · Post by **surfmeetseast** » Tue 17 Feb 2015 7:07 pm

You have been amazing Blue eyes, I tried to make a small donation a while back but internet went down and could not do it. Can it be PayPal? Pls post details
Sorry for the hassle !

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Tue 17 Feb 2015 7:29 pm

Just copied these from original post, hope they work IT is not my forte

Go Fund Me:
http://www.gofundme.com/ittcfo

PayPal:
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?c ... ZWC6DB6XA8

PayPal one doesn't seem to be working but they can be found in the original Fric & Frac post, good luck

surfmeetseast · Post by **surfmeetseast** » Wed 18 Feb 2015 5:56 am

Thanks, the PayPal link worked

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Wed 18 Feb 2015 4:44 pm

I have just realised Blue Eyes I am visiting TRNC 4th May hopefully I will be allowed to visit these lovely dogs.

Cally

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Wed 18 Feb 2015 5:07 pm

Cally, hopefully we will be able to meet up some where with Blue Eyes, when you come over?

Cally · Post by **Cally** » Wed 18 Feb 2015 5:37 pm

I would love that Owl Lady

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Wed 18 Feb 2015 9:26 pm

Anyone and everyone is welcome to visit these two lovely dogs. They will be very pleased to meet anyone.

Cally, like Owl Lady says it would be lovely to all meet up when you are over next.

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Thu 19 Feb 2015 9:13 am

Blue eyes get your specs changed, Cally said 4th MAY!

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Thu 19 Feb 2015 9:15 am

No it's me that needs them changing!!

BlueEyes · Post by **BlueEyes** » Sat 21 Feb 2015 2:01 pm

Latest Update:

I have been advised by Animal Couriers Ltd who tell me that Kim (KAR) has informed them that Fric and Frac should be ready to leave Turkey on 18th May.

They also emailed me this morning with a quote to take Fric and Frac from either Athens or Kos to Dublin. I hope to be able to post early next week a comparison of the 3 alternatives with up to date costs (hopefully final costs).

Lastly and definitely not least, I am happy to say I have received another very kind donation from “A Friend of Fric and Frac” which will help pay for up to 6 weeks kennelling. This donation will be added to the gofundme figure next week once it is updated to show the final cost of transporting Fric and Frac to Galway, Ireland.

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