BBC news report a load of rubbish again.

[solic200]

I wish the BBC would do more homework about the so called fugitives in northern Cyprus as so many have been sent back by the authorities here over the years so how can they say there is a safe haven here. Just more bad publicity Click this link.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-30724186

[Groucho]

I wish the BBC would do more homework about the so called fugitives in northern Cyprus as so many have been sent back by the authorities here over the years so how can they say there is a safe haven here. Just more bad publicity Click this link.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-30724186

Simple solution - recognise the country and you'll get your ne'er do wells back pronto - the UK can hardly expect to negotiate the speedy return of those on the lam with a place they refuse to recognise....better solution why not stop them going on the lam in the first place? Totally useless and not up to the job? I think so.....

The BBC that insists on calling Cyprus a 'Greek island' (which it's not! Never has been and never will be) can hardly be expected to be accurate about such matters

[Barney]

I'm afraid that this is the relevant part of the report as far as recognition of the north is concerned,

"John Hemming, Liberal Democrat MP for Birmingham Yardley, said: "I would not expect the government to tacitly approve the violent way in which northern Cyprus was created by recognising its government."

There has to be an agreement between both sides before the north is ever recognised. The way things are going we are in for a long wait.

[Groucho]

I'm afraid that this is the relevant part of the report as far as recognition of the north is concerned,

"John Hemming, Liberal Democrat MP for Birmingham Yardley, said: "I would not expect the government to tacitly approve the violent way in which northern Cyprus was created by recognising its government."

There has to be an agreement between both sides before the north is ever recognised. The way things are going we are in for a long wait.

That shows what a good grasp John Hemming has of how it became necessary for Turkey to force a partition of the island - not!

[Sandman]

Macguiness or whatever his name is together with another tosser Taylor(another lord) both have properties in N Cyprus one of which I hired some years ago ( from Taylor) and it was a disgrace. These Northern Irish non events need to keep their noses out of other countries business. They spent enough of their lives keeping the Northern Irish situation in turmoil with Paisley and now they are yet again stirring the "ooops".

[Groucho]

There are obviously going to be difficulties over extradition because no agreement exists - how that's the fault of the TRNC is not really explained. If the Uk doesn't want it's criminals seeking refuge here how about taking precautions to stop them leaving the UK in the first place.... They allow them to do a runner and then blame the destination - is that fair?

The last few years have demonstrated that NC is not necessarily the safe haven criminals think it is - after all the persons highlighted have been returned to face justice. I would add that as a Cypriot it was Nadir's own choice to return to clear his name and not extradition... In the end I'm not convinced that the article is up to much scrutiny as it seems poorly cobbled together.

[Barney]

An extradition treaty is not necessary, the police in the north only need to arrest the crooks and dump them over the other side where there is a treaty, simples!

[Groucho]

An extradition treaty is not necessary, the police in the north only need to arrest the crooks and dump them over the other side where there is a treaty, simples!

Really! That's your idea of a solution? Sounds like anarchy! Even the UK don't summarily rendition suspects like that.... er oh yes they do - when the US asks that is.

If extradition treaties are not necessary why do you think they exist?

[Barney]

Since everyone except Turkey recognises the north as still being part of the Republic of Cyprus then it's hardly summary rendition, simples.

[ardstrawray]

[quote="Sandman"]Macguiness or whatever his name is together with another tosser Taylor(another lord) both have properties in N Cyprus one of which I hired some years ago ( from Taylor) and it was a disgrace. These Northern Irish non events need to keep their noses out of other countries business. They spent enough of their lives keeping the Northern Irish situation in turmoil with Paisley and now they are yet again stirring the S**t.[/quote

Fail to see what is happening in Ireland has anything remotely to do with the Cyprus problem.

[Ragged Robin]

The way the article is worded is high ambiguous and is prejudiced and/or extremely unprofessional, If you read it carefully, you will see that Lord Maginnis was supporting North Cyprus and saying is was unfair it should be landed with the UK's criminals, and the other comments were either the Home Office or the reporter's own - apparently he has never heard of quotation marks!

UK media reporting of "the Cyprus problem" has always been unfairly slanted - I was here in 1963 and in common with other Brits who saw what was actually happening was disgusted by the way it was reported in UK Press. Of course the BBC cannot ever be truly impartial whilst it is dependent on the Licence Fee set by the British Government in power at the time, It makes one wonder how accurate is the news we are "fed" about other countries. And its not just the UK, a friend living in Belgium told me that reporting of recent events there were inaccurate, and I have heard citizens of the USA complain about slanted reporting of World events.

It seems to me that BBC news is more concerned with the latest activities of sports heros, or what model girls and film stars are wearing, and are going down to the level that used to be associated with the worst tabloids, we can except "Aunty Beeb" to feature a Page 3 girl next!

[Marions]

Well said Ragged Robin. Lord Ken Macginess has been a great supporter of TRNC for years, and does as much as he can in the House to promote/defend this place, as do people such as Baroness Meral Ece (herself of TC descent). This BBC report does not seem entirely accurate and does appear biased. I PERSONALLY THINK THE trnc POLICE HAVE DEALT WELL WITH THE CRIUMINAL ELEMENT WHO FIND THEIR WAY TO THESE SHORES.

So maybe the original poster is correct when using the word 'rubbish' regarding this reporting.

And always remember that news is to sell papers, and the BBC wants viewers/listeners. I just hate sensational and inaccurate journalism and feel that evertything should be 'tested' for accuracy. Seems the BBC does not have the time or the will to do that.

[Ragged Robin]

Thanks Marion,

Perhaps I should start a new thread on the BBC, but dont forget it is a public service broadcaster, nor a commercial one, and has a Charter to "Inform, educate and entertain", which implies the information should be correct. imho at the moment it sadly fails to do any of them

I was a bit ambiguous myself as I was referring to later post, not the OP who does criticise the BBC's homework.

I think it is well known that. despite non-recognition and lack of an expedition treaty , the TRNC Police do actually cooperate informally with both Interpol and Scotland Yard, though particularly on violent crimes against the person rather than "white collar" crime.

There was a notorious case a few years ago, reported in the English language press here, where a citizen of the TRNC was tried and convicted of a crime (murder) committed in the UK. The UK shipped all the witness etc. over here. And a senior officer of Scotland Yard officer, on Radio 4 no less, talked about the case and spoke in glowing terms of the efficiency and professionalism of the police of "the country concerned" - he just didnt name the TRNC so you only knew what he was referring to if you read CT!

I dont think there is anything to stop a country deporting a citizen of another country to whence he came if THEY decide he is undesirable: they just dont have to do it on demand or hand him over.

[Sandman]

Ardstrawray it is "lord" maguiness who is raising the subject. He happens to be a NIreland politician - and a crap one at that.Now do you see???

[ardstrawray]

Ardstrawray it is "lord" maguiness who is raising the subject. He happens to be a NIreland politician - and a crap one at that.Now do you see???

Making allowances for which foot you dig with, I have never had a problem with Ken`s politics.

[Marions]

M e neithwr i happen to like ken so maybe that makes a difference. But whatever his politics re NI you have to about be fights well for n.cyprus and i li
ke that about him to o

[ardstrawray]

[quote="Marions"]Me neither. I happen to like Ken so maybe that makes a difference. But whatever his politics re NI you have to admit he fights well for N.Cyprus and i like that about him too. "


Marions, can you turn on your spell checker.

[Marions]

Not spell checker but predictive text

[ardstrawray]

Not spell checker but predictive text

Whatever.

[Ragged Robin]

Yes Marion can we have a translation please of what you were trying to say?

K don't know Lord Magonnis, never met the man, no no-one should have their views on any subject reported in a way liable to misinterpretation,particulaly the the BBC, When it comes to Cyprus it is particularly unfortunate as the sitation is so often unfairly misrepresented. And the original post is about Cyprus and the BBC reporting, not Ireland.

btw I made a mistake in my previous post, I should have said "deportation" not "extradititon".

Regarding Barney's post the TRNC police do not""dump" suspected criminals "on the other side " because THEY do not recognise the legitimacy of the RoC! I dont think UNFICYP would approve of "dumping" anyway. The TRNC does, however, have a border with British Sovereign Territory and at least one incident has been reported of a convicted criminal being handed to the RAF Police.

[tomsteel]

Interesting msg 20. What TRNC/SBA crossing point involves the RAF Police? As far as I am aware the only TRNC/SBA area is at the ESBA and that is, either Joint Service (RMP/RAF in Cyprus as there is no RN Patrol presence) or SBA Police controlled - certainly not RAF (snow drops).

[Ragged Robin]

Actually tomsteel the ref to RAF Police did surprise me at the time - I did say it was reported so maybe the reporter confused the RAF and SBA police, or maybe some special arrangements were made to have a RAF police presence at the SBA Border? The point is that TRNC police are prepared at least in some cases to cooperate with Scotland Yard ( and Interpol) but the RoC Police are a different matter

It also said he was flown back to the UK by the RAF, which seems to me an expensive way of doing it. But that raises an interesting point - the mechanics of extradition - you can hardly shove a dangerous criminal onto an airliner (particularly when it stops in a third country) full of tourists and expect him to hand himself over at the other end? I seem to remember reading about the embarrassment of a policeaman who had to undertake a long flight handcuffed to a prisoner - but that was in America! Has anyone seen anything like that on a passenger aircraft?

[Marions]

For those interested, my quote in message 17 has been duly edited. Sorry folks.