Lack of UK holiday makers

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Fri 31 Jul 2015 9:37 am

Does the TRNC promote tourism in any way?

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Fri 31 Jul 2015 11:46 am

My daughter works in the UK and asked her boss yesterday if she was worried about going to Turkey on holiday on Saturday - the reply was "No, the Turks and the Croats have been fighting for years"!!! My daughter said don't you mean the Kurds? - the reply was "Yes, them too".

Obviously the troubles out in Turkey and Syria have been well reported to the well educated and worldly wise managers in the UK................

scubadubaqueen · Post by **scubadubaqueen** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 6:45 am

Having been involved in bringing decent quality, mostly first time tourists to NC for a year now, I will tell you this, and that is that most of them will not come back because of all the rubbish left all over! Look around you! It really is disgusting out there, and those people will tell their friends.

One of few returning visitors was put off also by stray dogs running all over their bit of Alagadi Beach, and that apparently was a first for them.

This place seriously has to clean up its act, for I really do not know from where all these new bars and restaurants are going to get their trade, and the roadworks going on all over in peak season with diversions, dust all over, traffic jams in the heat, are not going to help matters either, for it is the self catering market that are the most likely to go out, hire cars and spend money all around. And on that point, if anyone has, or knows anyone with a property on the new "Owner's Direct" site, then I would go check it out, because since the relaunch on 19th May, enquiries have plummeted, and that is because the new site is not fit for purpose. There are properties showing from the North in the South and vice versa, and plenty even pinned in the UN Buffer Zone! Most of my bookings came from there, but not any more.

Agobard · Post by **Agobard** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 7:37 am

scubadubaqueen: you are right about the Owners Direct website. One friend has cancelled her subscription with them in favour of using Trip Advisor and another has had absolutely no enquiries from Owners Direct since they changed their website.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 8:03 am

Not arguing about the rubbish, nor the dogs and cats. Just trying to put it all in perspective and that in itself is difficult as there are none so blind as those that can not see - because I live here full time I have probably become "blind" to lots of things, like the rubbish on the roadsides in the UK that I never used to notice but that did not mean that it was not there!

I will argue about the road works. If you have been bringing tourists to here for a year then you have been here for a year? Then you will have noticed what the weather in the winter can be like - when it rains it never stops. The only time it is possible to do effective road works is in the summer - that is when the tourists come as well. This year it is particularly bad as there is now a general panic to install the new water pipe line that should have been done two years ago. Rock and hard place for the Government - if they don't provide the water then they are wrong, if they dig up the roads to provide the water then they are wrong - it is progress and has to happen, it would be nice if it all happened when everyone was tucked up in bed and fast asleep and completed by the time they got up in the morning but this is real life. Thing is if they don't do it then they may as well just close down the airport and sea ports and call it a day - they are going to lose either way but at least this way they can come back again when it is completed.

Not being in the game of buying to rent I have not much sympathy for those who wished to make money out of cheap houses and tourists with fat wallets, this was a good bet 15 years ago but time has moved on and the tourists want a bigger bang for their buck - probably why most come on Hotel package deals so they can be looked after? You really have to ask yourself if you would rent a holiday villa in a land you knew nothing about and take your kids with you to a country you knew very little about - this is your one big holiday of the year and the flights alone will cost you around £1,500.00 for a family of four, its a big outlay for most folk so they tend to choose very carefully now. Its the same in the South as well, there is nothing new there either.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 8:41 am

We have lived, worked and holidayed in Cyprus for many many years.

Rubbish.....sadly yes there is a lot of it and I agree for a first timee visitingNorth Cyprus it can be very off putting. However; the problem not only exists here in the north, it happens in the south. Unfortunately it is a meditterranean thing, especially in less developed countries. Went to Tunisia many years ago.....there rubbizh problem is far far worse, however majority of tourists stay in resorts in hotels surrounded by walls and in sanitised areas. Get outside this and the rubbish is terrible. However, take a drive down any UK motorway ordual carriageway and check out the litter.....its not good and has got worse as councils squeezed to make savings.

I do firmly believe that lack of tourists is down to the fact that North Cyprus is isolated, difficult to get to and the tourist infrastructure is patchy. Add to this that it is a moslem state and close to some troublespots and you can see why Spain, Canaries and Balearics look a much better option. I also laugh at some of the attempts to promote hotels out here. Some blatantly lie by saying "close to the pretty old harbour of Kyrenia".....when they are at least a 20 min taxi ride away! Costs to get here are not cheap and people would rather go with what they know and if its a family its more likely to be a safe, sanitised resort with water parks, beaches, cheap restaurants etc. Each to there own, but the chances of seeing the real country/people is then very limited to what your tour rep tells you and how many coach trips you can book.........its a safe option. For us we prefer to explore and discover for ourselves.

When we havd friends staying with us here in the TRNC we do warn them of the downsides and let them know this is not Spain! We ars also very cautious when people ask for our thoughts on North Cyprus as a holiday destination..........if there like minded people its fine but we know some friends who would hate the place and we could not recommend. The best part for us is when we do have visitors and we take them around the island to places the holidaymakers do not see....then they understand why we love the place so much.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 10:42 am

I just don't accept that this is a Med thing. it isn't, it is a culture thing, Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Greece etc aren't rubbish tips, they have different prob, like being in the EU and being destroyed financially by being in the EZ.
Northern Cyprus's rubbish problem is so easy to solve, put up big signs warning of fines for throwing rubbish around, get the council workers to do their jobs properly and clean up their villages

If people get fined large sums they will soon get the message. The North of the island is small and could be cleaned up quickly.

We should all take a pride in the places we live.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 6:24 pm

It is a med thing in, as I said, less developed Mediterranean countries......I class Tunisia, Morrocco, TRNC and some areas of Greece and Turkey in this category.....plus I am sure the likes of Libya, Egypt etc are not good but have not visited myself.As for south Cyprus, they have cleaned up there act in the main tourist areas, but again there are plenty of beaches that are plagued by dumped rubbish or crap thrown overboard from ships.

Rubbish is a big issue I agree and its not nice to see. Unfortunately its about education, fines and enforcing the rules. I just think in the big scheme of things the TRNC has other more pressing issues sadly. There is no investment in this area. You only have to drive by some very nice villas, with lovely pools and gardens and yet the other side of their wall is often a tip with left behind builders rubble, rubbish etc.

Its hard but we try to look beyond this

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 7:00 pm

It is not simply a med thing. It is hard to understand. Turkey is in rural parts, no different, Greece the same, who are the keepers of the island, the Greek and Turkish Cypriots. As I said it is a cultural thing.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 7:18 pm

In message 56 Posh has hit the nail on the head. Pre 2004 North Cyprus concentrated on middle aged, middle class, middle brow tourists who were looking for a quite relaxation and to enjoy the flavour of a different country and were not particularly interested in the bright lights. We were also boasting the last unspoiled coastline round the med, and looking toward ecological tourism, with specialist holidays in flora and fauna etc. Not a source of high income, but of solid repeat business. People came, saw, liked the friendliness and the natural beauty and booked again for next year.

Then post 2004 we were "discovered" if not recognised and they tried to attract main stream tourism, with high rise buildings and the type of entertainment that would attract bulk tourism. Unfortunately the lack of direct flights (iwith consequent extra costs) and the insufficient infrastructure has proved it cannot compete on equal terms established resorts , while the attempt to attract bulk tourism has destroyed the very things that proved attractive to repeat business from Western Europe : to coin a phrase which has been used many times in this context they are rapidly and systematically destroying the goose that laid if not golden eggs, at least some solid sterling silver ones!

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 7:45 pm

RR, if you are a TC then you have thr right to the things you say, if you are not, sadly you don't.

The T Cs are the masters of their own destiny.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 7:57 pm

jacob wrote:It is not simply a med thing. It is hard to understand. Turkey is in rural parts, no different, Greece the same, who are the keepers of the island, the Greek and Turkish Cypriots. As I said it is a cultural thing.

Tunisia...rubbish dump, Morrocco, plenty of rubbish....bet Libya, Egypt are same.....so all along the southern med, up the east side and then Turkey and Greece....they all have a rubbish issue. Its only when you get to those long established holiday destinations of Spain, Portugal, etc who have been wooing tourists since the late 60s that you see the rubbish problem having been dealt with. They realised that there economy was dependant on getting it right. Unfortunately here in the TRNC there is lack of investment to recognise and tackle this issue....rightly or wrongly I think that those in power are focussed on other more pressing issues.

Attempts at creating a sanitised spanish type holiday has a long long way to go and would we want it....Benidorm, Malaga....no thanks.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 8:09 pm

I hate Spain, Portugal is beautiful but boring, the place is far too clean, stepford kinda clean, so no, it is not what I want but it is what tourists expect. We cannot just tell the keepers of the island to remain in stasis, they want change for better or worse, it is their choice.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Sun 02 Aug 2015 10:43 pm

Jacob: If I see a friend walking too close to a dangerous cliff - I may not be able to stop him, but don'd I have the right , indeed a duty, to warn him? Actually a lot of TCs agree with the views I expressed. And if you take the trouble to read my post carefully you will see I am not actually being unduly critical. The fact they cant compete (if they really want to) on a level playing field is hardly their fault.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 7:13 am

Ragged Robin wrote:Jacob: If I see a friend walking too close to a dangerous cliff - I may not be able to stop him, but don'd I have the right , indeed a duty, to warn him? Actually a lot of TCs agree with the views I expressed. And if you take the trouble to read my post carefully you will see I am not actually being unduly critical. The fact they cant compete (if they really want to) on a level playing field is hardly their fault.

RR, sorry for sounding critical, I understand and did read your post properly. I know of lot of TC's agree with your views, it's the powers that be that don't care. However, you cannot equate dangerous behaviour to simple disrespect for a country, until the powers that be force the population to clean up the mess it will never change and the 'tourist' problem will just worsen.

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 8:16 am

The whole thread and its deviations comes under the title of "Lack of UK holiday makers.

Go back 10 years and there was a lack of holiday makers from anywhere, go back 15 years and a holiday maker was an exception - if you were here then and are here now, what effect has the return to 10 years ago had on you? Please don't attempt to blame the general rise in prices across the board on the lack of UK holiday makers, as if this small body of people are solely responsible for propping up the Nation and without them it will fall, that is the same argument as "If all the Brits left, the country would collapse" and holds no water at all given the numbers of Brits against the total population. And forget about the other old argument of "If we all took our money out of the banks" - much better to say "If the Russians took their money out of the banks"!!

My question is: How, exactly, does the lack of UK holiday makers effect You?

ardstrawray · Post by **ardstrawray** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 8:27 am

If you own a property here or are a regular visitor to TRNC, then probably you will carry on coming here. If you are a person just looking for a holiday, then maybe you would be deterred from coming due to the instability in the eastern Med.

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 8:57 am

After going Lapta way, then into Kyrenia and then coming back to Catalkoy on Saturday I am afraid my comments were :-

If I had paid good money to come on Holiday here - I would ask for a REFUND!
OK! we live here and see it through different eyes but for the poor people who have probably saved up all year and think they are coming to an idyllic location - No Way.
It has got worse in the three years that we have been here, dirtier and more rubbish strewn everywhere !
The poor street animals are a problem for some as well and as for all the 'Ghost' buildings still ! - yet more new projects seem to be starting - will these ever be finished off?
I would not advise friends to holiday here, sorry! My family and friends who are solely coming out to see and spend time with us - OK!
The suit and tie brigade in power here really DO need to get their acts together and push for a BIG clean up project to start ASAP!
I do not want to offend any of my Cypriot friends with my comments. this is their homeland and not mine but I think the majority would probably agree - things have got to be improved IF the island is to be marketed and sold as a piece of Paradise!
This is BBB's OTHER half's post and not the man himself!

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 9:29 am

BBB exactly spot on.

Why can't the suits see what is happening to the place, also the dog situation as you mention, it does put a lot of people off, who wants to see animal cruelty on their holiday.

I had a neighbour who was a UK born TC, his children cried when they saw how the dogs are kept and treated, he sold up and went back to the UK, his words. "This may be the country of my ancestors but my god it really is a "ooops" pit". I am never returning. So sad eh!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 9:39 am

waddo wrote:...My question is: How, exactly, does the lack of UK holiday makers effect You?

Well, it means that I can usually get a table in a restaurant!

Apart from that, I feel sorry for my TC friends who have businesses that rely on tourism, but really, it's up to them to chivvy their own Government into action - I don't see anything wrong with us discussing the situation, and the reasons behind it - this is, after all, a 'Talking Shop', if nothing else.

We can even lament and bemoan - but it won't make a ha'porth of difference!

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 2:34 pm

Agree with Keith plus less traffic on the roads!

I think I heard somewhere (maybe here?) that businesses ancillary to tourism are also suffering from the new large hotels which provide everything in house (so their customers dont have to go outside and NOTICE the rubbish and stray animals!) so small restaurants and shops are losing business. We have to remember that tourism is one of the few ways the country has of making money, and the temptations must be great.

My impression on the whole is that Cypriots like full time expats so show an interest in their problems - at least they are demonstrating care for and commitment to the country and not just treating is as a geriatric holiday camp.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 4:32 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:...not just treating is as a geriatric holiday camp.

..Hastings-next-the-Med...

I'll just get m' coat...

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 4:57 pm

I started this thread which has gone all over the houses and back again for the reasons why there is such a lack of holiday makers. First of all my family (or at least 85% of it, don't like it here, the other 15% come under sufferance just to check we haven't fallen of our perch) They pay for us to go back to UK, all we pay for is dog boarding this end. They loathe it for the way we are being treated by beurocrats at local and Government level. They loathe it because of the way our builders have treated us with contempt for over 10 years. They loathe it because of the filth everywhere. The loathe it because, because, because (the list is endless). They cannot for the life of them understand why we moved here. I tell them, it wasn't the same when we came here, but we didn't have a crystal ball to see the way we would be suffering in our dotage. I'm not a moaner and groaner and try to accept that what we have is what we have but when I see the fat, gross, bloated lobsters that wander around supermarkets and girls in thongs, pushing babies in pushchairs, sitting down at the next table to have Sunday lunch, I just wonder where the hell we live and can understand right thinking people no wanting to come here. In fact I'm relieved there are not more of them to view the way the TRNC has fallen by the wayside as a lovely place to come for a holiday. It was just gorgeous, but is no more, and sheer greed is the reason why.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 5:03 pm

bigbadbob wrote:I do not want to offend any of my Cypriot friends with my comments. this is their homeland and not mine but I think the majority would probably agree - things have got to be improved IF the island is to be marketed and sold as a piece of Paradise!
This is BBB's OTHER half's post and not the man himself!

As we have lived full-time for 10 years - very nearly the longest I've ever lived in one place I have to say this is now my homeland.... I'm very unhappy that the unconstitutional and frankly racist protocols currently practised by the civil service at the behest of government in the TRNC deny my rights to permanent abode and citizenship....

It is a bit of a mess at the moment made worse by the pipe and optical cable laying currently underway across the island... God knows how many millions of TL worth of damage has been done to the road infrastructure only time will tell how quickly the damage can be put right... let alone the massive damage to wildlife habitats.... and I bet that was never part of the impact analysis for these projects....

waddo · Post by **waddo** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 5:31 pm

Groucho, Its the longest we have ever lived anywhere as well. Over the years before we came to stay forever, we watched it change as places do, it is still in the process of change and could take many, many more years. But we take solace in the thought that we did not want to stay in the UK because of everything that was wrong with the place for us. Now to even suggest going back after eight years of even more change and EU bureaucracy loaded on top is not a happy thought at all. We will stay for the full nine yards and see what happens - there is lots of good left in Cyprus but you won't find it on the beach or in the bars, its there, go seek it out. A more beautiful place I have yet to find. And if you can't find it in the North then swallow pride and go seek it in the South - the Troodos is a wonderland of new adventure just waiting to be found.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 6:38 pm

Unfortunately, what we saw was an under-developed Country.

There is no such Country in the World that has not been blighted and completely knackered by development - nowhere on the Planet has a Government of an under-developed Country thought "We need to develop, increase business, encourage investment in an Environmentally friendly way" - and then sat down and put a coherent plan together!

They ALL think - too late - "AH! - perhaps while there are still around a couple of acres of Natural Beauty left in the Country, we ought to designate them as 'areas of outstanding blah blah blah...' which is shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, AND sh1t all over the front lawn.

You expect too much.

Most places are run by Politicians, who a) promise to give the electorate what they want (environmentally friendly or not - usually NOT!) - and then b) renege on their promises while proceeding to fill their own pockets. - And, certainly don't worry in the slightest about an unelected minority!

If you want perfect order - you could always go to live in Stuttgart!

...and say "Hello" to Ms Merkel for me...

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 7:34 pm

Keith, I can think of many things I would love to say to Frau Merkel, hello is way down the list

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 7:37 pm

I lived in Cyprus as a teenager in the early 70s, what a fantastic place to be, returned in early 80s and 90s thanks to HM the Queen, holidayed both in the north and south so many times and finally bought here in the TRNC four years ago.

Yes the island has changed both north and south, but for all its faults, foibles, problems and frustrations we still love it.....especially here in the north. Its a special place and we are fortunate to know and understand the problems and are happy to seek out the real north Cyprus which is still out there.

Unfortunately a tourist on a week or two week holiday has neither the time and more often than not the desire to discover the real North Cyprus.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 7:38 pm

jacob wrote:Keith, I can think of many things I would love to say to Frau Merkel, hello is way down the list

...Something ending in "Off", perhaps...

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 7:43 pm

[quote="Keithcaley"]Unfortunately, what we saw was an under-developed Country.

There is no such Country in the World that has not been blighted and completely knackered by development - nowhere on the Planet has a Government of an under-developed Country thought "We need to develop, increase business, encourage investment in an Environmentally friendly way" - and then sat down and put a coherent plan together!

And Mars One isnt sending people to Mars for another 10 years

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Mon 03 Aug 2015 7:46 pm

Ragged Robin wrote:And Mars One isnt sending people to Mars for another 10 years

We need to get in quick then!

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Tue 04 Aug 2015 7:15 am

Keithcaley wrote:
jacob wrote:Keith, I can think of many things I would love to say to Frau Merkel, hello is way down the list
...Something ending in "Off", perhaps...

Most likely "Go forth and multiply"!

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 04 Aug 2015 8:30 am

Oh, if only I was able to meet her. Trust me she would be no match for me.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 04 Aug 2015 8:33 am

On a more serious note, all this place needs is recognising, yes there would be more development but it would also clean the place up.

It is without doubt beautiful if the rubbish and dog situation were sorted.

Lottidotti · Post by **Lottidotti** » Tue 04 Aug 2015 9:39 am

Jacob,How will 'Recognising this place' clean the place up.People are responsible for their own actions.The only way to clean the place up is for the morons who take pleasure in dropping litter to put it in a bin or take it home with them.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 04 Aug 2015 11:00 am

Lottidotti, recognition would result in the big names investing and they would encourage the suits to sort the place out.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Tue 04 Aug 2015 2:19 pm

I doubt the "suits" would be interested in the rubbish, let alone stray animals. That needs people to be encouraged to take a pride in the place.....

What recognition hopefully would do , would be to enable to country to concentrate on sources of income, other thanmass tourism (hopefully particularly agriculture) and remove the temptation and perceived need to stick ugly great buildings all over the place and encourage environmentally friendly initiatives.

muppet · Post by **muppet** » Wed 05 Aug 2015 6:50 am

Having spoken to quite a lot of people who have holidayed here in last few weeks newbies and repeat visitors the information have have had from them has been as follows, not my views!!!! just repeating what i have heard.

Filthy place.

Service from staff in certain venues appalling.

Rampant dogs in town and around villa locations.

Traffic and congestion problems horrendous.

Beaches not very clean, or high charges to get on them.
kervan beach looks good , till you get there, no water in showers, toilets filthy, bins in toilets full of yesterdays waste paper, staff at little beach bar more interested in chatting with friends or playing will a ball. Oh cannot wait to go back they said.

And we want them to come back and give north Cyprus an other chance, would you after saving up all year to bring your family on a holiday to a place that has no intention of trying to make you welcome, relaxed or have an enjoyable time.

Wake up and smell the coffee TRNC you have shot yourself in the foot maybe once too often.

petronemma · Post by **petronemma** » Wed 05 Aug 2015 10:10 am

I have to agree with the state of the beaches. some are disgusting, it doesn't take much effort to get rubbish picked up. a lot of beaches here are nesting beaches and people dumping rubbish should be ashamed of themselves. who wants to relax on a beach with plastic bags and stuff floating about on the shore line, discarded efes cans, cigarette butts, wrappers strewn on the sand and all kinds. the dog situation is beyond a joke now too. many beaches are full of strays as are the towns and outside of supermarkets, for us living here it is not good and for tourism? well speaks for itself really, it will put people off. packs of dogs roaming about in this heat is an accident waiting to happen. things need to change now before it gets to the point of no return. one unhappy tourist returning to their homeland after staying here has repercussions. the island needs cleaning up and staff need to learn customer care and provide a decent service. and to stop people being overcharged. just recently this has happened in several of the bigger name supermarkets where there are supposed offers on and when you get the receipt you have been charged the normal price. try explaining this and they don't want to know.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Wed 05 Aug 2015 11:59 am

Have to say it is difficult to disagree with a lot of what has been posted below. Some may well be a bit o er the top but forsomeone spending hard earned money for a week or two on their annual holiday, it would be very dissapointing. We would not recommend the TRNC as a family holiday place, it simply does not have the facilities, infrastructure or customer service/care of the level that would be expected.

We love visitors coming across to stay with us, but we are selective in who we suggest to come and stay, simply because we know some would hate the place. We do brief our visitors before they arrive and 8encourage them to not judge the place to early........yes they see the litter in some places, the dogs and the dug up roads. They also see great drives in the mountains, castles, Bellapais Abbey, the Karpas, Girne harbour plus we take them to non tourist restaurants where they can experience traditional service with a smile. Unfortunately I can understand why a tourist on a short holiday may well go home dissapointed and agree that things need to change or else they will never attract enough tourists to build the economy.

muppet wrote:Having spoken to quite a lot of people who have holidayed here in last few weeks newbies and repeat visitors the information have have had from them has been as follows, not my views!!!! just repeating what i have heard.

Filthy place.

Service from staff in certain venues appalling.

Rampant dogs in town and around villa locations.

Traffic and congestion problems horrendous.

Beaches not very clean, or high charges to get on them.
kervan beach looks good , till you get there, no water in showers, toilets filthy, bins in toilets full of yesterdays waste paper, staff at little beach bar more interested in chatting with friends or playing will a ball. Oh cannot wait to go back they said.

And we want them to come back and give north Cyprus an other chance, would you after saving up all year to bring your family on a holiday to a place that has no intention of trying to make you welcome, relaxed or have an enjoyable time.

Wake up and smell the coffee TRNC you have shot yourself in the foot maybe once too often.

muppet · Post by **muppet** » Wed 05 Aug 2015 12:26 pm

Hi PoshinDevon I think your right about who you suggest comes to TRNC for a holiday, we do love the place but at times cannot understand the mentality of the people here, what do they expect to happen some sort of fairy with a magic wand to wave it and make all wonderful. The answer is in there own hands they just do not have the nouse to sort it out.

I cannot see there would be a hope in hell of the big names investing here as has been suggested earlier.

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