Keyboard Charts: calling Sophie, Erol, KeithC

[Ragged Robin]

Further to a couple of recent threads , it has just occurred to me (rather belatedly, I blame the heat) that the person who set up my computer kindly gave me printed charts : showing the keyboard in the languages I have set up. The English and Turkish are on the pin
board above my desk, and invaluable in finding punctuation keys etc.

I think he ran them off from some site , but I have tried a search and cant find it. My copies are getting rather worn and very dusty and I think it would help others. Does anyone know where they might be located?

[erol]

There are a few different Turkish keyboard layouts but the one I see most often physically on keyboards is know as Turkish Q. An image of that layout can be found here

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ey.svg.png

English UK layout can be found here

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... om.svg.png

The characters shown in blue on these images can be accessed by holding down the 'Alt Gr' key and then whiolst keepiong it held down pressing the appropriate key (so on UK english if you hold down 'alt gr' and then press 4 you will get €)

Is that what you wanted ?

[Ragged Robin]

Many thank, Erol. Those the symbols I have on the Turkish Keyboard and how they come out in a change to English. (Now all I have to do is work out how to enlarge the copy of the Turkish Chart!)

I hope they will help anyone else who is using a Turkish Keyboard mainly for typing in English.

PS After posting, I did another search and was amazed at how many versions of the keyboard there are in both languages. It has prompted me to try to remember if I ever buy another keyboard it must be the QUARTY version in whatever language using "our" alphabet since that is the version I learned on!

[sophie]

RR, now you are really confusing me - don't you mean QWERTY. All my keyboards purchased here in TRNC (even the ones I converted) are QWERTY

[erol]

RR, now you are really confusing me - don't you mean QWERTY. All my keyboards purchased here in TRNC (even the ones I converted) are QWERTY

There is a turkish layout called Turkish F that is not 'qwerty'. See here

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... f_yeni.svg

[erol]

(Now all I have to do is work out how to enlarge the copy of the Turkish Chart!)

Try this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ey.svg.png

[Ragged Robin]

Once again, Many thanks Erol. You are a star!

[Ragged Robin]

RR, now you are really confusing me - don't you mean QWERTY. All my keyboards purchased here in TRNC (even the ones I converted) are QWERTY

Of course I meant QWERTY not QUARTY And there was me on another thread saying I always checked my posts

The QUERTY keyboard was of course developed to be ergonomically suitable for the English language (that is the most frequently used letters and combinations in English are the most conveniently placed).. Other languages use different frequencies and combinations of letters, so it follows that they will want to develop their own keyboards, particularly with IT making keyboards so much more frequently used. We have just been lucky so far that N. Cyprus has stuck to QUERTY for both languages, but with the EU looming like a thundercloud who know what will happen in future .

If you want to get REALLY confused (I did!) look up keyboards on Wilki and see how many languages and alphabets there are!

[Groucho]

RR, now you are really confusing me - don't you mean QWERTY. All my keyboards purchased here in TRNC (even the ones I converted) are QWERTY

Of course I meant QWERTY not QUARTY And there was me on another thread saying I always checked my posts

The QUERTY keyboard was of course developed to be ergonomically suitable for the English language (that is the most frequently used letters and combinations in English are the most conveniently placed).. Other languages use different frequencies and combinations of letters, so it follows that they will want to develop their own keyboards, particularly with IT making keyboards so much more frequently used. We have just been lucky so far that N. Cyprus has stuck to QUERTY for both languages, but with the EU looming like a thundercloud who know what will happen in future .

If you want to get REALLY confused (I did!) look up keyboards on Wilki and see how many languages and alphabets there are!

QUARTY is a perfectly good word if you are West Country... Wit's the toime? Quarty tea foive...

[kaiserphil]

As a Somerset lad, I quite agree Groucho!

It's the same as "jargon" is going for a run in Norfolk!

[jofra]

I found this site, where you can download a little program that allows you to switch easily between UK keyboard and Turkish Q keyboard - when in Turkish mode, letters are still in the same UK key position with the umlaut, cedilla, etc being obtained merely by pressing the Alt Gr key plus the desired letter. Upper case is obtained just as normal by using the shift key in addition to the letter (and Alt Gr key if necessary). Once this program is installed, switching is simple, by clicking on the (now showing) "EN" icon (bottom right task bar) and selecting "TR" - and the reverse to return to switch off, although the program seems to auto-revert when you leave the program (Word, notepad etc) where you have been writing - just keep an eye on whether EN or TR is displayed!
The actual program download link is about two-thirds down the page after the keyboard diagrams and instructions. I found it quite easy to use, even before I read the on-site instructions!

[sophie]

Getting fed up!!!! Am doing this on the Turkish keyboard but it wont let me type Turkish letters which was the object of changing keyboards in the first place. Probably because the PC is converted to English, all is OK really until I want to put in punctuation and then all goes completely nuts including me as they are where the Turkish letters would be.

[erol]

Getting fed up!!!! Am doing this on the Turkish keyboard but it wont let me type Turkish letters which was the object of changing keyboards in the first place. Probably because the PC is converted to English, all is OK really until I want to put in punctuation and then all goes completely nuts including me as they are where the Turkish letters would be.

There are two elements to this. There is your physical keyboard and then there is your keyboard settings in windows. If you have a physical keyboard laid out as UK english and your windows software keyboard settings are set to UK english, then the symbols / letters you see printed on your keyboard will be what appears when you press that key. If you have a physical Turkisk Q keyboard and your windows settings are english keyboard then you need to look at the charts posted above for the turkish q keyboard to know what will appear when you press a given key. If you have a turkish q physical keyboard and your windows settings are for turkish q keyboard, then what you see printed on the physical keyboard will be what you get when you press a key. Hopefully that makes some kind of sense ?

[sophie]

Its obviously me, I followed Jofra instructions as far as I could but and opened the WinZip etc but sadly it wouldn't download and no TR appeared on the task bar, I think what I`m going to do is press every key, learn where everything is one by one, using Alt Gr etc and work it out myself. At the moment I haven`t typed a single Turkish letter but I`m determined to be able to type Turkish names if it b.......y kills me! I can see what people mean about all the different Turkish keyboard layouts though. What a mine field.

[Ragged Robin]

I am sorry I confused the issue by raising the point of charts, and then wandering off topic into different keyboards.

Sophie: If you have a Turkish QUERTY keyboard you can type in either English or Turkish at the touch of an icon. The only snag is you have to keep changing if you use both languages in one message and remember to change back. (or you fınısh up typıng Englısh lıke thıs) If I can do it anyone can! I think the problem is you do not have to right settings in your software. I think you need to go to My Computer, then My Settings then find languages to set - but as someone set mine up from me, I am not a hundred per cent sure, perhaps Erol could be kind enough to explain how to set Turkish on your computer.

[jofra]

... opened the WinZip etc but sadly it wouldn't download.....

Did you actually manage to download the file? if you have, right click on it, and select Extract to TrQAlt\.
A new folder will appear with the name TrQAlt - left click on that (and again if a similar folder has appeared) until you see setup.exe - double click on that, and it will install.
If not previously showing, EN will appear bottom right - click on that, and the option of EN and TR appears... tick as required!
It's worth the struggle!

[Bowman]

Sophie,

First you must realise that for each key (well almost all) a number of codes are generated.

So when I press the “a” key a number is generated, press the same key and shift then another number is generated. This is also the case when the control and Alt shift keys are used.

The code generated is based on the key position, not the character inscribed on the key.

How each key combination on the standard 108 key keyboard is interpreted is a function of the keyboard driver.

My systems us the English language but I have Germany keyboards (after 36 yr. can learn the new layout). This works fine. At the bottom right of the display is a small keyboard which shows the current keyboard driver. For me normally showing German.

My system (Windows 7) shows 2 possible Turkish keyboards, that is Turkish F and Turkish Q. It looks as if you should select “Turkish Q”.

Hope this helps

Regards Mike

[sophie]

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/Wind ... t-language

After all the problems I had I gave up on trying to change my keyboard - none of the suggestions seemed to work. However Keith came up with one final recommendation and it worked like a dream. I downloaded the above, followed the really simple on screen instructions and now I can switch from EN to TR (and reverse) just by clicking on the icon on the task bar. No fuss, no Shift - AltG, nothing. Now I can Ş Ğ Ü Ö Ç to my hearts content. Thanks Keith.

[erol]

Congratulations

[sophie]

Aaaaaah shucks Erol!!! Now I'm blushing.