help needed with cadge dogs.

hs.mummy · Post by **hs.mummy** » Sat 08 Aug 2015 11:29 pm

Hs.mummys husband here. My wife has responded to comments on here and sent pms to a few of you as well. We have been to the police and to the muktar and nothing is being done, a case of pass the buck as there is no money to be made. We have tried to talk to the "ooops" wealding, dog breading scum next door, but they did not want to know. All it has done is cause trouble with other neighbours. Yes it is very horrible what is happing to the dogs, but with 2 small babies in the house my main concern is for them. And no my wife has not been on here much as we both work long hours and have 2 children to look after. If anyone wants to try and talk to the scum living next door to me then feel free, if you walk down lozan soaka you will know the property as it stinks of "ooops" and has chickens running all over the place.

gillybean123 · Post by **gillybean123** » Sun 09 Aug 2015 6:22 pm

so why have you not taken up the offers of help then ?????????????

ljarvo · Post by **ljarvo** » Sun 09 Aug 2015 8:37 pm

Hi, appreciate your comments hs.mummy husband

Not sure what the solution is - maybe you just need to keep pushing Muhtar and Belediyesi?

Maybe BBB's other half might be kind enough to also contact the Muhtar and Belediyesi as well and repeat your complaint.

Sometimes to keep pushing is worth it

Thank you

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Mon 10 Aug 2015 8:46 am

Hi Ljarvo the other half is now in the Uk and will not be back until next week.BBB

ljarvo · Post by **ljarvo** » Mon 10 Aug 2015 8:45 pm

Ok thank you BBB for letting us know.

Does any body else in Catalkoy village know this location and can talk to the Muktar

A member of my family has also sent an email to Catalkoy facebook page asking for assistance - maybe more of us need to do that!

snd1966 · Post by **snd1966** » Mon 10 Aug 2015 9:38 pm

We live in Sht Mehmet Mustafa Cad behind the Muhtar's/ post offices and have noticed since the water pipe has been put in we can hear a lot of dogs barking and even our own three are very unsettled at the different noises. Unfortunately even from google I can not work out where Lozan sokak is but assume it is nearby. Unsure whether the dogs are being actually ill treated or just caged and occasionally hosed out and distressed by the different noises. We know from experience the village police do react to concerns from the public and try and help all concerned. Our neighbours now do have our telephone number even though we do not speak the same language kopek problem is enough for me to head home and sort out any disturbance. 9 years later we all seem to have reached a happy medium even though to us their dogs cause more noise!

ljarvo · Post by **ljarvo** » Tue 11 Aug 2015 3:22 pm

Thanks for your comments - I guess from reading the comments above the dogs are being used for breeding and kept in a not nice environment

hs.mummy · Post by **hs.mummy** » Wed 12 Aug 2015 11:58 am

at last we have a breakthrough. after talking to a local business man, has has said that he is going to talk to the owners of the dogs as many other people are upset. he is also going to talk to the little "ooops" that ran over and killed the little kitten we had been feeding. i will update as soon as he has done this.

ljarvo · Post by **ljarvo** » Wed 12 Aug 2015 7:57 pm

Ok that's sounds positive good update - please keep pushing. They are obviously using these dogs for breeding so these dogs need to be out of this hell hole!

hs.mummy · Post by **hs.mummy** » Thu 13 Aug 2015 11:53 am

I hope it helps. will keep you up updated

gillybean123 · Post by **gillybean123** » Sun 16 Aug 2015 10:02 am

any updates with this please ?????

please answer

erol · Post by **erol** » Sun 16 Aug 2015 10:52 am

gillybean123 wrote:any updates with this please ?????

please answer

You have only ever made four posts to this forum (under this user name) and every single one of them has been to push for a response from the OP on this thread. ?

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Sun 16 Aug 2015 6:06 pm

Erol and it has 1 like. Where do these "likes" suddenly come from.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 16 Aug 2015 6:37 pm

Each post has two buttons at top right, next to "Message xx of xx in Discussion" - one button is Quote, used to copy/quote that post, while the Like button is for registering agreement/support - liking what is said!

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Sun 16 Aug 2015 8:10 pm

I must go around with my eyes closed - I've never notice that before. You learn something every day (that's the theory anyway!!)

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sun 16 Aug 2015 8:25 pm

Then there's also the edit button - but that only appears on your own posts, so that when you spot a mistake after you've submitted your post, you can correct it - hopefully before anyone else spots it!
It doesn't appear on anyone else's posts, and on your posts, isn't visible to anyone else - otherwise we could all have great fun altering each others' posts.....

gillybean123 · Post by **gillybean123** » Fri 21 Aug 2015 8:03 pm

Erol

So ????????? no one should ask for updates ?????????????
I was worried about the dogs arnt you ????

ljarvo · Post by **ljarvo** » Sat 22 Aug 2015 7:51 pm

Yes - I am still keen for an update...please

hs.mummy · Post by **hs.mummy** » Sat 22 Aug 2015 9:10 pm

Update.... the dogs are still there even after a word was had with the owners. This only seems to have made things worse. The man now keeps ringing a little bell that makes the dogs bark like mad. They are howling all night and to be honest I cant take in any more. We are now sleeping in our living room as the noise is to as bad in there. Its at the point where im going to cancel my lease on the flat, no doubt lose our deposit as its before 12 months. Move my children again, And this is all becouse the local people have no clue on how dogs and neighbours should be treated.

erol · Post by **erol** » Sat 22 Aug 2015 9:26 pm

hs.mummy wrote:Update.... the dogs are still there even after a word was had with the owners. This only seems to have made things worse. The man now keeps ringing a little bell that makes the dogs bark like mad. They are howling all night and to be honest I cant take in any more. We are now sleeping in our living room as the noise is to as bad in there. Its at the point where im going to cancel my lease on the flat, no doubt lose our deposit as its before 12 months. Move my children again, And this is all becouse the local people have no clue on how dogs and neighbours should be treated.

It does sound like a nightmare situation for you and your family and for what it is worth you have my sympathy in finding yourself in it. 'Nightmare neighbours' can be devastating where ever you live.

hs.mummy · Post by **hs.mummy** » Sat 22 Aug 2015 9:43 pm

Thanks Erol, sitting at home now and the noice is getting to much already.

ttoli · Post by **ttoli** » Sat 22 Aug 2015 10:11 pm

I'm an animal lover myself ,but in circumstances such as this can understand the reason behind poison being laid . h. s mummy , you have a private message

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 6:58 am

I am sorry but I do not think poison should ever be used to kill dogs or cats and cannot believe an animal lover would even think it!
As I suggested way earlier, could you contact the Mayor and invite him to your house and let him see and hear what you are living with.
He does have considerable ''clout' in Catalkoy! Can you see the dogs and their condition? This could be a cruelty case!
Please do not give up - the dogs need help!

BBB's other Half. ( Not the man himself).

Marions · Post by **Marions** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 9:29 am

Does it not r4ather depend on how much we can 'interfere' in the lifestyles of others, especially as 'yabanci'. ? There is a dog who visits me daily - lovely and almost oculd be a relative to my Dudu, but he is covered in nice big fat juicy tics. What do I do?: Interfere? They know the dog has them and they are doing nothing about it because they obviously don't see anything wrong. Who am I to tell them? Could KAR interfere>? I think it would be resented!

Not every culture treats dogs as 'human' members of the family and even so, there are families in the world where there children have allkinds of nasty things we Westerners might not tolerate.

And of course, as to the Muhtar going to see them it might be his brother, or cousin, etc, and might not feel able to say anything.

Many of us on the island have to accept that what is normal to the loc als and which might not be what we think is right, have a choice. Accept it, or move. And it must be absolutely gutting if one constantly moves and finds difficult circumstances time and time again , but we must remember that this IS Cyprus and not London or Birmingham, or even paris or Brussells or.......any European city (or area) where one would expect a different attitude.

Defeatest as it may sound, I think the only way to survive happily overseas is to accept what is . (now shoot me!)

Art · Post by **Art** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 9:47 am

So let's all take your comments a little further Marion.

Close KAR and every other organisation helping these helpless animals-stop all forms of charity work because it's really has nothing to do with us and turn a blind eye to blatant animal suffering.Oh and stop supporting organisations like 112 who do so much to help in the community.

The beneficiaries of all the hard work put in by numerous organisations who decide not to ignore what's going on are not only the Brits but also the locals.

Think I've just fired the first of many shots.

ardstrawray · Post by **ardstrawray** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 10:28 am

Totally agree with you Art, too many negative posts, and I don`t think moderators should be so negative regarding animal posts when so many people are trying to help these unfortunate beasts.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 10:44 am

Wit respect Marion, of course you can interfere. Get some frontline and treat your visitor, the owners are not to know are they. I can't bare to see dogs covered in ticks. They are obscene horrors and should be got rid off. Forget the interference bit.

erol · Post by **erol** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 11:04 am

These dogs have owners. Under the law they are the property of the owners. As such what can be done to help them by people who are not their owners is limited. Speaking to the Belidiere and the police can be done and that has, as I understand it, been done and they have decided to take no action. Speaking to the owner direct can be done and that has been done and seems to have only made the situation worse. You could continue to report the state the animals are in to the beli and police but it seems unlikely to me that will have any positive effect. There are large numbers of animals that suffer in Cyprus that do not have owners, it is not like these are the only animals suffering in Cyprus nor is it clear exactly how bad that suffering actually is in absolute or comparative terms. Seemingly not enought for the beli or police to take ac tion. For me given what has already been tried to help these animals, I suggest that it might be a more effective use of peoples time and effort to concentrate on those suffering animals that can be helped or to support those organisations that help such ?

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 11:54 am

Marion, accept animal cruelty or leave! I am shocked and dismayed with your post. I can't believe you posted those remarks.

erol · Post by **erol** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 11:55 am

jacob wrote:Marion, turn a blind eye or leave! I am shocked and dismayed with your post.

So what would YOU do in this situation Jacob and if you are so concerned why have you not just done it ?

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 2:45 pm

Marion
Well said I agree with your views, try going to Korea and telling the locals to take dog off the menu!

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 3:22 pm

I am not sure if this thread is about cruelty to dogs, or cruelty to humans.

I dont think I would get far if I complained suffering from noise disturbance from those who have imbibed not wisely but perhaps a little to well shouting (often in English) outside my windows on the way back from the pub, nor the motor cycles (can I shoot them please ?)that roar past late at night. Nor have those who suffer from loud music from hotels in the early hours, Not to mention cats yowling all night and cocks crowing. This is a noisy place! But it does sound as if this is a young family, perhaps new to the country and a little help and advice on how to cope without alienating the neighbors would have been in order .

As for the dogs, would they still be able to bark and howl particularly in the weather we have been experiencing if they were seriously ill treated and lacked adequate food, water and shade?

As for "frontlining" it is actually rather expensive. Some of us are finding the spiraling cost of microchipping, parasite control, food and vets bills for the ex strays we already care for a drain on limited resources without spending money needed for our own medical needs on other animals!

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 3:27 pm

Aitchie- we are not living in Korea, Thailand , Vietnam or any other country that accepts dog OR cat as a sort out delicacy! We live in North Cyprus and although it is behind in years in so many things, having working and obviously living within the local community the thought of this and the actual doing of it, would be abhorrent to the many Cypriots that I have grown to love as friends, as it would be to me and mine. Totally unnecessary comment and not useful in anyway in solving the problem of the original poster. Marion, please do as Sophie suggested and get a treatment for your visitor's ticks. The owners will not know but the little dog will be so grateful! If I can help in anyway with the initial problem but even better if there are more voices singing the same song, be in touch!

BBB's other half - now back from UK.

Art · Post by **Art** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 3:47 pm

Thankfully we don't live in a country which allows dogs to be barbarically slaughtered and eaton.!

As for this poor animal with the ticks - I'm happy to sort this out - details and information would be useful and I hope Marion's doesn't tell me it's none of my business.Frankly I'm disappointed and angered by her lack of compassion and humility.

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 4:06 pm

BBB: The moral of my posting is to accept the culture of the people that you chose to live with, we are all mere visitors to this country, do not try and dictate to the locals how they should treat their livestock.

Art: One man’s meat is another man’s poison, it perhaps wouldn’t seem so barbaric to you about eating any particular kind of animal if you had a starving family to feed.

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 4:25 pm

In the local Chemist shops you can buy the tick treatment very cheaply, only a few Lira, it lasts for a month to 6 weeks on the cats or dogs . We do the strays as don't want ticks particularly dropping off alive around the villa . Easy really.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 4:53 pm

There is a preparation called something like IMINAX (most chemists sell it) and it costs 17tl or 18tl. Treat it as if it was Frontline and lasts a month. I suspect that is what geroff is referring to.

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 5:00 pm

Marion
When you are buying the tick preparation from the chemist perhaps you can purchase some shampoo for head lice, just in case their kids need it.

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 7:46 pm

Aitchie - I do accept the culture of the local Cypriots that I am lucky enough to have been accepted and welcomed into the village where I now live. Amongst these good people, there are many animal owners who like me, think of them as part of their family therefore treating and caring for them as such.
There are some individuals however, who you seem to be making excuses for by saying it is the culture of the country so do not question it, that treat animals cruelly. In any culture , be it British, American, Spanish you name it, this is not acceptable to any decent human being.
Please do not condone animal cruelty, no matter where it happens no one should turn a blind eye! The animals have no voice or no choice!
We have !

BBB's Other Half - please direct any answer to me - Thank you.

ljarvo · Post by **ljarvo** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 9:04 pm

Dear All, we are all going a bit off post!

We have a live situation of cruelty going on.

Can HS.mummy please go and explain to the Muhtar's office please as other posts have suggested....the advise has been loud and clear

Just to remind us all - this post and terrible conditions has been continuing for ONE month

hs.mummy · Post by **hs.mummy** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 9:38 pm

Both myself and husband have been to the muktar and the council and the police. None of them really seemed willing to help. We were told by the police that it was not a police matter. So yes we have taken all the advise given and to be honest im at my whits end now.

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Sun 23 Aug 2015 10:14 pm

Aitchie wrote:Marion
When you are buying the tick preparation from the chemist perhaps you can purchase some shampoo for head lice, just in case their kids need it.

And while she is at it, she can solve the "Cyprus Problem" and help a few starving children in Africa as well!

I realised 19 years ago that I would drive myself mad if I started worrying about all the strays dogs in the country and not exactly make friends and influence people if I started a crusade about how people should treat animals which at least had a home.
My solution was give one stray a comfortable home and a happy life (in fact the one turned into three and on occasions four) but oddly when I was too ill to drive and needed help with a very sick dog, it was Cypriots who came to my aid to get her to a Vet late at night , not any of those who so proudly proclaim their care for animals, and when some time ago when someone started an organisation intended for mutual help for animals carers who become to ill themselves to look after their beloved pets, it folded through lack of support.

Animals are not only soft , furry creatures with four legs and a tail. Two legged animals sometimes need a little compassion too, or at least decent courtesy, and not to be insulted and pressurised by those who do not know their circumstances into spending ime and money they may not have as well as alienating people they have to live amongst.

On a practical basis, I have tried the cheaper treatments, and they did not work . Ticks do not just drop off if you treat them with even with Frontline, they have to be picked off and it is NOT a pleasant job or a very safe one single handed , even with animals who know and trust you and are used to your handling them. Is anyone offering to help Marion with that, not to mention repeating the parasite treatment monthly and the dog probably also needs worming, and you cant do that without checking with its owners just in case it HAS already been done. Ideally of course you should also brush the animal regularly and trim matted hair from long and curly haired breeds to check for seeds and other plant matter that may be irritating them as well as insects..

I wonder if any of these caring people are vegetarians, or if they buy imported meat in the Supermarkets and have ever read about the suffering of agricultural animals in the UK under factory farming methods and their deaths in abattoirs packed among other terrified animals?

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 5:18 am

Going back to the original problem and the original poster - how can we help?

BBB's other half.

Art · Post by **Art** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 6:24 am

Art: One man’s meat is another man’s poison, it perhaps wouldn’t seem so barbaric to you about eating any particular kind of animal if you had a starving family to feed.[/quote]

You make a fair point but I can't think of any circumstance where I would condone eating dogs or the breeding and slaughtering of them specifically for this purpose.Just like the mass slaughter of seals and whales it's a barbaric act and should have no place in a civilised country.

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 8:00 am

Art
The reason you can’t think of any circumstances where you would condone eating dog is because you were brought up in a society where the necessity never arose, some countries think eating Cow is abhorrent, should we go to these countries with our ‘we know best’ attitudes and tell them that their beliefs are wrong, and more to the point, what would the reaction be in the UK if a Hindu moved in next door and complained because his neighbours cows were being fenced in and they were not allowed the freedom or the status that they gave them in India, methinks he would be told where to go in no uncertain terms, why should we be any different? I was under the impression that most of the British long term visitors to TRNC were retiree’s however the more I read the Kibkom BB I realise that they haven’t retired at all, they are in fact missionaries, here to show the natives the errors of their way, and to try and change the island into a little Britain, that same place that they voluntarily left to have a more stress free life, you know, like them TRNC natives have!

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 8:01 am

The killing of Whales is difficult for anybody to condone (except the Jap’s) but the culling of seals is to control their numbers, a necessary action to preserve the fish stocks for man, a small price to pay for the privilege of having the weekly cod and chips from the local chippie, don’t you think?
Anybody who would like to complain about the eating habits of any different cultures in my view had better be vegetarians otherwise IMHO they are nowt but hypocrites.

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 8:26 am

I am not a missionary but I am someone who cares for the welfare of animals where ever I live.
In England I volunteered for the RSPCA, a Hedgehog Charity a Bat Welfare Society plus working in a CANCER charity SHOP.
I did this because I wanted to help and not for recognition or praise and not to change the culture of England!
Here I do what I can, as so many ''not missionaries' do, just because we are the kind of people who care and want to give back to the country where we live.
Please let us just get back to what this post is all about! Some poor dogs that could be desperately in need of some help! Is this too hard for some to understand?

bigbadbob · Post by **bigbadbob** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 8:31 am

Sorry I really should have posted that the last post was from me - BBB's Other Half.
Oh! in case there may be criticism that all the help was for animals, may I say that my whole family supports Children in Need and various charities and clubs to help children and adults. - Thank you.

erol · Post by **erol** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 8:53 am

possibly a bit off topic

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/367872 ... t-one-year

https://www.aspca.org/about-us/faq/pet-statistics

Each year, approximately 2.7 million animals are euthanized [in USA](1.2 million dogs and 1.4 million cats).

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Mon 24 Aug 2015 9:22 am

BBB’s other half
Your motives are commendable, and as such I do not question them, however the ‘mission’ you have set yourself will be to inflict your beliefs on another from a different culture in order to ‘show them the way’ whether it be to enlightenment or not is for you to know. One thing that strikes me as odd regarding the original posting is that the sleep deprivation problem has only arisen over a 5 night period, I take it that all was well up to this point, so what changed in the 5 day period that caused these dogs to have changed their habits. I for one can sympathise with the poster being kept awake by the barking of these dogs, however if the local police and authorities don’t want involved there is very little anybody can do without putting themselves at risk of prosecution by interfering unlawfully with another person’s property. Would you risk having your ‘long term visitors visa’ taken away from you in order to save these dogs?

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