compensation

[turtle]

16 Billion ?
Is this Cyprus on the make again

[erol]

That (£16bn) would only equate to £13,500 for every citizen in the north and south (assuming citizen population of 1.2 million people north and south) from the youngest baby to the oldest OAP

Maybe we can get a yes vote on both sides when there is a new referendum

[waddo]

Maybe compensation should only be paid to those people who currently claim refugee support payments from the ROC? Just another thought to ponder on................... After all it is only those "refugee" people who lost anything to start with.

[Ragged Robin]

[quote="erol"]That (£16bn) would only equate to £13,500 for every citizen in the north and south (assuming citizen population of 1.2 million people north and south) from the youngest baby to the oldest OAP

But the article suggests that only 210,000 (those on both sides who "abandoned" property) will be eligible for compensation.!?

[turtle]

That (£16bn) would only equate to £13,500 for every citizen in the north and south (assuming citizen population of 1.2 million people north and south) from the youngest baby to the oldest OAP

Maybe we can get a yes vote on both sides when there is a new referendum

Ah but Erol what was the population in 1974 ?
There was less than 200,000 people that were displaced so compensation would only be a tiny fraction of 16 billion so where will the rest go ?

[waddo]

Turtle - http://www.prio-cyprus-displacement.net ... asp?id=245

[mrsgee]

That is a fascinating link Waddo, thanks for posting it.

[dippersgirl]

Well the settlement just ain't going to happen, had it from very high up today!!!!

[tomsteel]

God, Allah, who has this omnipotence?

[dodger]

Well the settlement just ain't going to happen, had it from very high up today!!!!

Please can you elaborate on this dipper.

[dippersgirl]

Sorry, no but when I know a bit more.
Not quite God, but high enough to trust.

[waddo]

Please ask "not quite God" what is happening with the White Card, when will everybody get their Kocans, when will the new water come on line, when will the new runway at Ercan be finished and what are next Thursdays State lottery winning numbers - to be fair if "not quite God" has the real deal information on the settlement then the rest should be dead easy - lol.

[jofra]

Wouldn't be a "GC Archbishop has said .... that he is not optimistic about the "peace" talks...." mentioned in another thread, would it?

[Ragged Robin]

But is was a GC Archbishop who ....................................no on second thoughts better not to start on that!

If its a politician (of ANY persuasion) the higher they are, the less I trust them!

There is a letter in Saturdays Cyprus Today that suggests a White Paper on permanent residence has been passed with the provision about health inurance! But I have still been unable to find any other reference (including the BRS webpage). Maybe the GCs would be less worried about the numbers of permanent residents/citizens if they realised it contained a condition that will block it for older residents and make it financially out of the question for a lot of other expats.

[waddo]

RR, You and me both and I have been surfing everywhere for even a mention of it. As CT just gets it's news from Kibris and then translates it to try to make sense out of it, I suspect that it was mentioned in that paper as well - must ask my Turkish buddy about that! If the President actually said that it would give (sorry, that they would give) 40,000 residents a white card then the vast majority of those would not be ex-pats so how would they afford health insurance anyway? I have the feeling that - unless "not quite God" has got it right - the TRNC is once again trying to grab as much money as it can before a major change (entry into the EU) makes it impossible to get it. Once fully into the EU then all ex-pats, who are already EU citizens and become EU citizens of Cyprus, will have the same rights and privileges as all other EU citizens on the Island. By EU law and EU citizen only has to live in another EU country for six months before they have the right to apply and refusal is very, very, very difficult, almost as difficult as the EU country delaying the application (which is against EU law and carries stiff penalties), there is a small fee to pay but insignificant when placed besides health insurance!

Having waited for over 8 years for this to happen I am quite content to let the TRNC wait just as long for me to decide if I actually want a white card or not.

[sophie]

And if UK pulls out of EU after the proposed referendum - what then I wonder? Do we all go back to having British passports in Royal Blue and Gold?

[waddo]

Depends. If we become Cyprus EU Citizens before UK leaves the EU then we stay EU citizens. If UK leaves the EU before Cyprus is in the EU then we are aliens once again in Cyprus but can still become EU citizens - just have wait longer and can be refused. Its going to be fun whichever way it goes. Can't really see the BRS writing to Brussels on behalf of ex-EU citizens complaining that they are no longer EU citizens but living in an EU country, can you?

[karmels]

waddo.
It seems that the TRNC are going the same way as Turkey, expats in Turkey have to have medical insurance. This costs at the moment 350 TL per married couple per month, which gives you full medical coverage in the state hospital, if you need to go private the Government will pay 20% of the cost, the coverage also includes dental treatment at the state hospital.
I forgot to mention, if a couple are not married the cost is 350 TL each per month.
You get the option to have private medical insurance.

[sophie]

waddo, it would certainly be a long way to go for BRS representatives to sit in a corridor for three hours and then sent away, which is what seems to happen to them in Lefkosa! Bet my bottom dollar, the costs for medical insurance here will be higher than in Turkey.

[waddo]

Of course the medical insurance will be higher here than in Turkey - for a start there are more X6's to support here! The thing is, will you actually need the insurance anyway? If you chose NOT to have the famed white card then you stay as we (mostly) all have done for the past many years and either believe in the "You don't need to do residency when you are over 60" theory - OR - you continue on paying your residency every 2 years (considerably less than any medical insurance would cost) - OR - you hop South or UK or Turkey every 90 days - OR - if the North becomes federated and fully part of the EU you become a Cyprus EU citizen and therefore do not require medical insurance anyway! OR - you take up the white card option and pay, what will certainly be, exorbitant costs for medical insurance.

Of course if the medical insurance costs are the same as Turkey then I would be quite happy to pay 350TL per month, per married couple, to take up the card - otherwise???????????????/

[sophie]

OR, if you're not allowed out of the country for more than 40 days a year if you want a white card. as mentioned by S Day, then that bu........rs up the 90 rule if you live here permanently and don't stamp your passport As SD states, the whole thing is a nonsense. Breweries, cuckoo land, funny farms and loads more come to mind.

[waddo]

Not been out of the country for over 8 years so the 40 days I have never heard S Day mention is not of concern. Question: Did S Day mention that BEFORE the Draft was passed or after the Draft that S Day never saw was passed? Having had no sight of the "wishlist" draft submitted to the Government, nor the "actual" draft that was passed by the TRNC parliament, the whole discussion becomes a nonsense. After many years in the military and many more in the Civil Service, I am more than used to living the life of a mushroom, whilst those WITH power and those with assumed power continue to pontificate on what should be. Eventually the true facts of what you can and can not do, with or without a white card, will appear in the Law Gazette and then we will all find out. In the meantime, I still live here, I am still happy to do so and happy to pay a similar amount as those in Turkey pay for medical insurance, should it also mean I can only leave the country for 40 days a year it is not a problem.

[Ragged Robin]

Cyprus Today November 21st 2015, Stephen Day's column...

......."the long-awaited "white card" residency proposals are suddenly approved by the TRNC parliament...............". Sorry the piece is too long to scan and paste, even if I knew if that were allowed. But the rest of the piece appears to be speculation and Mr. Day's views No hard fact. Why (as far as I can ascertain) have the paper and BRS not announced the decision , and why are the British Community being kept in ignorance of something that may have a significant affect on their future?

[waddo]

RR: Try this: http://www.kibris724.com/daimi-ikamet-i ... 71177h.htm If you are using Chrome then it should translate it for you - then the fun begins to try to work out just what the translation means. However, it is the first time I have seen anything in print with reference to Permanent Residence and the White Card.

[Ragged Robin]

Thanks Waddo, that makes it crystal clear

Actually I think I have mislead people myself. Re reading the article I referred to above, it appears that expats contributing to the the TRNC Health Scheme was a suggestion made by the BRS but was a "non starter". I am very sorry if I started an unnecessary hare, I think my original informant must have misunderstood (I am beginning to wonder if I understand anything myself )

Incidentally the same issue of CT reports that Lord Maginnis has offered a bet of £500 against a Cyprus Settlement before Dec 31st extended to April 4th 2016, Is Lord M the "not quite God" source of Dippers Girl!

Why April 4th I wonder. April 1st would surely be more appropriate!

[DenBoy]

Ragged Robin

Always good to start something on a Monday, 4th is a Monday !!

Dennis

[waddo]

I think that is a very safe bet as there has to be a referendum first - and that is not planned to take place till late April/early May. In any case the sum bet is only slightly short of the attendance money he would get paid - by the tax payers - for one days attendance, nothing to lose there then!

[dippersgirl]

Re message 75 : Noooooooooooo...RR

[Ragged Robin]

I didn't really think so DG! Just trying to bring a bit of humour into a rather worrying thread!

It really depends on whether it is you or they who consider them "not quite God". If the latter it rules out quite a few who think they actually are God!