Permanent Residency

[waddo]

Since the new law has been passed - Anybody applied and been successful yet? Just wondering before we attempt the impossible - lol.

[greengate]

I would also like to know if anyone has been successful, as for some of us the area of health insurance is going to be a problem.

[Esta Group]

Please come and talk to Esta about the Health Insurance,
or call us on
0392 4443782 you can ask for Libby.

[Marions]

Please post what you know libby. Can you give an idea of rates? It is all so mysterious.

[cjtill]

Waiting for BRS to publish any updates on the matter as I have no idea about the pros and cons.
Michael

[waddo]

ESTA, on December 24th 2015 you posted this:

At this point we are waiting to hear from the insurance agencies we work with. Ahmet did imply it will have to cover long term illnesses such as cancer, but he could not give further information. I shall call him on Monday 28th to see if we are any further forward. As soon as we know we will post it...

Going by your post above, does this mean you have new information or are still waiting?

[Esta Group]

We have been advised by Ahmet at Zirve - that the emergency health insurance will be sufficient , this makes the insurance very affordable - but only to those up to the age of 70.
10,000 tl cover 130 TL a year
25,000 tl cover 250 TL a year
50,000 tl cover 380 Tl a year
**
15% added 60 - 64
20% added 65 - 70

The Emergency Health insurance is an annual policy, produced by a TRNC insurance agency.
It will pay for stabilization for many emergency conditions, but any further medical cover required must be funded by the patient. It works well for those of you how have other medical insurance as it saves you having to use your excess.
So far a Turkish national has applied for the white card , using the emergency health insurance policy and it was accepted.
We still do not know if the government are formulating an alternative health insurance, but as it stands currently the Emergency Health Insurance is OK. We have been informed if the government bring an alternative policy out, then Zirve will happily refund the difference on the Emergency health.
Please contact us for further information
0392 444 3782
info@estainsurance.com

[Deniz1]

So what happens to the over 70,s ? Not there yet but not far off.

[Marions]

Considering a huge number of people who had been hoping for citizenship or perm residency before it was cancelled are now over 70,does it mean they can't now have a white card. ?Hmmmmm. Maybe The government could comment as the one true source of information

[waddo]

Maybe for over 70's the government think it is the same as for over 60's i.e. no blood test required for over 60's because you can't do anything anymore to catch anything - lol. Now for over 70's maybe you don't need insurance for health because you are not worth saving so you won't get any treatment anyway? I think they got the idea from BUPA........

[Marions]

[sophie]

Just as in the UK now, if you are over 70 you are considered a nuisance that nobody really wants to be bothered with, but doesn't actually dare say it outright!.

[woodspeckie]

I am over 70 live in the UK I don't have any problems, enough pension to live off, NHS, don't pay for prescriptions, free TVs license, free bus pass, I wouldn't say I am considered a nuisance.

[sophie]

I suspect you will be if things start to fall apart though! Granted in some aspects I would prefer to be over 70 in the UK than in TRNC.

[waddo]

woodspeckie, good for you, glad you enjoy it. I am a mere 68 and live in the TRNC, I don't have any problems, enough pension to live off, no NHS (but still pay for it), no requirement for a TV license, cheap bus fares everywhere, 350 days of sun, very low crime rate, helpful and friendly local people everywhere around me - I wouldn't say that I am considered a nuisance either, as I am almost at the age where I will be ignored by the government on the grounds that I won't be around much longer to become a nuisance - lol.

[waddo]

ESTA - Sorry, I thought I had already said "Thank You" for the information but I had not so - Thank You - once again.

[DenBoy]

Waddo - well done, say it how it is lol !!

From a selfish point of view, try and hang about for at least the next three weeks please.

DenBoy

[johnerebus]

Hey most UK citizens are living longer now - as argued by the UK government who've raised the State pension retirement age.

As a youngster of 72 I'm starting a new business, writing my book, giving drama and singing lessons, blogging regularly and laughing a lot. The only meds I take are aspirin and viagra which helps the heart dontcha know.

[MoonageDaydream]

There is an update on this in the members area of the BRS website, and may be some coverage in the Cyprus Star or Cyprus Today at the weekend

[Dalartokat]

The following link has been taken from Cypruscene regarding the latest information on the White Card for Permanent Residency laying out all details needed to apply.





http://cyprusscene.com/2016/01/28/trnc- ... rn-cyprus/

Sorry had to try again

[erol]

What a mess

If you are applying on the basis of 6 years of consecutive temporary residency you have to own a property in your name (and have the kochan for it) that the tapu values in excess of 125,000 euro ! So if you are husband and wife and you do own a home that the tapu values are more than 125,000 Euro and it is in only the Wife's name - does that mean the Husband can not apply ? If it is in joint names does it have to have a tapu value of 250,000 Euro as each only owns half the property ?

Oh well looks like no hope for my non TRNC citizen 'common law' wife of 25+ years that has been temporary resident here consecutively for more than 12 years. House is is my name (and not sure its tapu valued at 125,000 euro in any case). Bank accounts are in my name. No chance then. The whole thing is almost enough to make me think we should just get married and go all out for 'citizenship' for her instead !

[Deniz1]

Good idea Erol and we can all come to the party!

[Deniz1]

Good idea Erol and we can all come to the party!

[Marions]

Erol. You have an easy route for your lovely. Lady. I would have to divorce alan, find a cypriot,marry them, get citizenship; divorce them, remarry alan by which time we might both be elsewhere. I came here to be a citizen on a five year path. 12 years later I am gutted. Being. Married is not so awful, surely

[waddo]

Go on Erol, get married anyway - you can treat it as just a bit of paper to please the Government if you wish, my wife and I did the same thing just to please the British Military and to keep them off our backs. 31 years later it seems to have stuck - lol.
My view is fairly simple: We have been here for the past 9 years without a trip anywhere off the Island, we have paid our "Visitors" permits every year without fail, we have waited for the mythical 8 years, then 10 years, then proposed 15 years so we could become "Permanently" legal and make life easy for us and all the Government departments who require double photo copies of everything just so we can stay legal, we have stayed within the law (as it is interpreted by various departments) with residency, driving licenses, house leasing, rental, gas tanks, water, etc, etc, etc! Now, finally a new law has been rushed through before the chance of the North joining (fully) the EU - the big game changer for EU citizens who already live here - in my mind it is just to allow the Government the chance to make some quick money before they also have to live within EU laws.
So now here we are, in rented accommodation, with all our money that we get in pensions being spent here and all our bills paid and everything. We understand how the country works (maybe the wrong word that) perhaps survives would be better. We are very happy to live here for the rest of our lives and support the country in anyway possible. We have no desire to vote, change the country or interfere with the running of it at all. We even have a Turkish Cypriot sponsor here who would guarantee we always have a place to live in, medical bills covered and that we would never be a burden on the country in anyway at all - yet we still stand no chance of being recognized as a permanent resident by the Government at this time - we find that sad indeed!

[Deniz1]

Here here Waddo I have done similar to you but own my house but its not worth 125000 euros. Too old to get insurance never mind i am happy.

[sophie]

What was it that Grouch Marx said. " I wouldn't join any club that would have me a member" Or words to that affect. They don't want him indoors or me either Waddo, and frankly I don't care much.

[waddo]

We are already members of a "Club" (EU) like it or not - but depending on what Cameron has the UK do we may loose that membership as well! Now what is the betting on this: Having lived here for nearly 9 years, now I find I can not be a member of the "Northern" club. However, this year the North becomes a full EU member (Its on my wish list anyway). These two articles now apply: Article 7: To reside in another EU country for more than three months, EU citizens are required to meet certain conditions depending on their status (i.e. worker, student, etc.) and may also be required to meet certain administrative formalities; - that will probably mean I would have to have Temporary Residence stamps in my passport yet again (or continue with them as I am going to do anyway).

Then:

Article 16: EU citizens can acquire the right to permanent residence in another EU country after legally residing there for a continuous period of five years; So now I will need to live here in this (EU) country for another 5 years before I can apply for Permanent Residence!!!

LOL - With my luck this will all happen just after the UK votes to leave the EU, ha, ha, ha. Story of my life - too little, too late!!!! What the heck, summers is coming, I have a new mangal, life is good!!!

[Dalartokat]

Cypruscene have updated information regarding Permanent Residency and rather than starting a new thread brought this one back for consistency.

One change I can see straightaway is the price and there maybe others but not looked myself to cross match.


http://cyprusscene.com/2016/02/26/trnc- ... 6-02-2016/

[waddo]

Beats me why the TRNC Government has to re-invent an EU wheel that is already working. The rules/regulations/costs are already in place in the RoC and will be the same ones that will have to be applied in the North should they "really" be working towards a settlement. Maybe that is the answer then?

[cjtill]

When we went to get our temporary residence last week they asked if we wanted to go for permanent residency instead. They said the price has been reduced to 1000TL now but health insurance was 500tl. Even they didn't think it was worth it for us but they said there were lots of Pakistanis applying due to being able to work.

[WotNoDeeds]

There is no such thing as "permanent residency" in the TRNC.

[andrew4232]

i find it very strange that you only need have to have 5yrs when doing nothing, but for those of us legally working here we have to have 6yrs of paying into the system even if only by way of insurance and tax payments not to mention the incomes generated for the government by way of sales generating tax and revenue

[waddo]

Andrew, that is because those of us who (legally) do nothing are "allegedly" self supporting. Those of us who (legally) do something have to prove that they have become self supporting for an extra year. It must make sense to somebody but it still defies all logic!

On the other hand if we (TRNC) were in the EU then those of us NON-EU citizens, presuming that the UK will leave the EU before the TRNC gets in it - who do nothing - would have to "prove" that they have sufficient funds that comes from abroad, from legal sources that is secured, reliable and consistent in the long run to support all members of all of their family, without having to engage in any business, trade or profession.

Change is coming!!!! The rules are already in place but the TRNC is re-inventing them in the meantime to suit itself.