Is it inside or outside

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Mon 01 Feb 2016 6:27 pm

We called at Punjab restaurant early evening yesterday, as we went to go in we had to go through a small enclosed seating area, the door to the actual restaurant was in there. There were several young men sitting in this area, all of them were smoking, as we opened the restaurant door all the smell from their cigarettes wafted inside, it was very unpleasant, so much so that we left and went elsewhere.
I would have said this area was inside but obviously the staff thought otherwise, it's such a pity as we always used to visit Punjab but we won't be going again, I have no wish to walk through other people's smoke before I sit down for a meal.

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Mon 01 Feb 2016 6:47 pm

I agree with you Elizabeth, the Punjab obviously consider it as being outside. When the weather is good during the day, they open the outer doors and the smoke then drifts outside but obviously the weather isn't suitable for that in the evening and the "fug" that's builds up must be horrible. What did Punjab management have to say?

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Mon 01 Feb 2016 7:23 pm

The young man in charge just shrugged his shoulders and smiled .

topten · Post by **topten** » Mon 01 Feb 2016 7:28 pm

Oh dear tin hats at the ready

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Mon 01 Feb 2016 11:34 pm

Aum Shinrikyo; Branch Davidians; Children of God; Plymouth Brethren; ISIS..........
tolerance, pacifism, forebearance - you can't beat it......

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 9:13 am

jofra wrote:Aum Shinrikyo; Branch Davidians; Children of God; Plymouth Brethren; ISIS..........
tolerance, pacifism, forebearance - you can't beat it......

??????????

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 9:27 am

If they were TC's then it is their business if they want to allow smoking, get over it. There are so many places to eat that it really doesn't matter. You non smokers think you have a god given right to rule....guess what you don't.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 9:37 am

jacob wrote:If they were TC's then it is their business if they want to allow smoking, get over it. There are so many places to eat that it really doesn't matter. You non smokers think you have a god given right to rule....guess what you don't.

If you read my post properly you would see that we know there are other places to eat which is why we won"t be going back to Punjab, and whether they are TC"s or not it is against the law.
Each to their own.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 10:20 am

I know it is against the law but that is not your concern, that is their problem. When have laws ever been adhered to in the TRNC, for the expats maybe but not locals, or rarely.

Panchocat · Post by **Panchocat** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 11:39 am

Jacob, be interesting to see how that TRNC attitude, regarding laws, would survive should the talks ever result in reunification and the EU is joined!

tomsteel · Post by **tomsteel** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 12:38 pm

Panchot, they will treat the EU rules as the French do. Ignore what is disliked. However, being a non-smoker, non-drink, using my mobile driver etc, I have ambivalent thoughts on locals who do. I would hazard a guess that TCs must be fed up to the back teeth with expat evangelists pontificating as to how life must be lived here. My maxim, for what it's worth, is to be true to my own standards.

WotNoDeeds · Post by **WotNoDeeds** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 12:53 pm

Not my idea of a nice restaurant.

Becker · Post by **Becker** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 1:12 pm

Knowing the Punjab as we do,I would very much doubt that smoking in the entrance hall would make too much difference to eating in the restaurant! Doors to eatery are always closed this time of the year. I am pretty sure if it was mentioned nicely to Hussein or Abdul,they would have asked the smokers to go outside.

metin · Post by **metin** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 5:00 pm

I have to agree with Becker......
a few smokers in the lobby would not put me off of using a restaurant, and in the summer they will be outside anyway.

I remember the days (probably showing my age here), when you could smoke on buses, trains and planes.......I don't remember anyone complaining until they banned smoking on public transport.
Live and let live.

sammydavis · Post by **sammydavis** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 7:37 pm

Metin, couldn't agree more - I believe it will be the demon drink next,will the Efis quaffers have to go outside too - perhaps someone will start a new restaurant surrounding them!

Heaven · Post by **Heaven** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 8:32 pm

Oh for goodness sake Elizabeth it is an outside area, the restaurant is through 2 double doors with thick glass. The food is brilliant so you definately missed out. Dont go in the summer because tables are outside and we smokers sit there too.

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Tue 02 Feb 2016 10:03 pm

Heaven wrote:Oh for goodness sake Elizabeth it is an outside area, the restaurant is through 2 double doors with thick glass. The food is brilliant so you definately missed out. Dont go in the summer because tables are outside and we smokers sit there too.

I know the food is good but I found it very unpleasant having to walk through an enclosed area that smelled like an ashtray to get into the restaurant As I said earlier each to their own, if you don't mind that's fine by me but I'll go elsewhere.

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 11:09 am

Well said Elizabeth, who wants to walk through smelly fog!! .... ..... its a choice of us all to have freedom of speech. if someone voices their opinions all you smokers get irritable and abusive ...

mickhm · Post by **mickhm** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 11:48 am

I wouldn't say irritable and abusive. Perhaps all we ask for is a little more tolerance from the anti smoking league?

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 11:55 am

mickhm wrote:I wouldn't say irritable and abusive. Perhaps all we ask for is a little more tolerance from the anti smoking league?

Perhaps rude would be a better description. All non smokers ask for is a little consideration, and maybe a little tolerance too.

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 12:54 pm

Perhaps you people that smoke would give a thought to those people who just cannot go any where near cigarette smoke!... maybe if you were to see some one gasping for breath and practically dead you would have more consideration for others.... Its a lung reaction to your cigarets, not deliberate, but a very distressing allergic reaction..

So please you smokers give a thought to others who cannot smoke or go to places with smokers ...

sophie · Post by **sophie** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 3:10 pm

What we non-smokers should do (and I was one until 3 years ago, BTW giving up was a doddle) we should find something that really drives the smoking fraternity, totally and utterly nuts. Answers on a postcard!! I was in a group of 6 people today and the 3 smokers just walked outside - a proper outside to have their "fag break" They are thoughtful considerate people and it would never have dawned on them to do otherwise.

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 4:29 pm

sophie wrote:What we non-smokers should do.... we should find something that really drives the smoking fraternity, totally and utterly nuts. Answers on a postcard!!

Chuck water over them - that'll do it!

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 4:36 pm

Groucho wrote:
sophie wrote:What we non-smokers should do.... we should find something that really drives the smoking fraternity, totally and utterly nuts. Answers on a postcard!!
Chuck water over them - that'll do it!

Carbotec · Post by **Carbotec** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 4:48 pm

elizabeth wrote:
Heaven wrote:Oh for goodness sake Elizabeth it is an outside area, the restaurant is through 2 double doors with thick glass. The food is brilliant so you definately missed out. Dont go in the summer because tables are outside and we smokers sit there too.
I know the food is good but I found it very unpleasant having to walk through an enclosed area that smelled like an ashtray to get into the restaurant As I said earlier each to their own, if you don't mind that's fine by me but I'll go elsewhere.

ENGLAND WOULD BE GOOD

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 5:26 pm

Carbotec wrote:
elizabeth wrote:
Heaven wrote:Oh for goodness sake Elizabeth it is an outside area, the restaurant is through 2 double doors with thick glass. The food is brilliant so you definately missed out. Dont go in the summer because tables are outside and we smokers sit there too.
I know the food is good but I found it very unpleasant having to walk through an enclosed area that smelled like an ashtray to get into the restaurant As I said earlier each to their own, if you don't mind that's fine by me but I'll go elsewhere.
ENGLAND WOULD BE GOOD

That remark says an awful lot about you Carbotec,

jackvern · Post by **jackvern** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 5:43 pm

Methinks you protest to much. What's next?

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 9:18 pm

As I said - "tolerance, pacifism, forebearance - you can't beat it...... "
....but unfortunately, groups, schisms, cults etc who adapt virulent and aggressive rhetoric to the point of fanaticism against opposing opinions seem to be on the increase world-wide....

Ragged Robin · Post by **Ragged Robin** » Wed 03 Feb 2016 9:45 pm

It is consideration: Whether your smoke, drink, drive a car , talk on a mobile phone, use a supermarket or even feed a lot of stray cats in your garden, your actions may have adverse effects on others and so many people behave as though they were unaware of this let alone cared. I suspect many people who are such virulent anti smokers are among those who dont mind fillling my house and my neighbours with their car exhausts and dust as they drive past too close and too fast throwing up mud in winter and dust in summer.

I feel sorry for the manager of the Punjab - obviously he thought he had found a way of pleasing all of his customers all of the time, but as we often do he forgot to allow for the cold wet winters!

WotNoDeeds · Post by **WotNoDeeds** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:43 am

The first evidence that breathing other people's cigarettes has a directly harmful effect on the heart's circulation in healthy non-smokers came in July when researchers in Japan found that just 30 minutes with a smoker can damage your health.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... ttack.html

Becker · Post by **Becker** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:53 am

I think walking through a foyer for maybe four metres hardly equates to inhaling 30 mins of smoke! If this is the case,how do you manage when you sit eating drinking in the street cafes/bars? Major majority of locals smoke & for sure this is evident at all these venues. Even though the smoke maybe diluted it is still being inhaled! Might be an idea for the venues to start selling face masks. I am a non smoker by the way.

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:55 am

All drinkers who drive, and let's be honest here, that is most, even if it is just one drink, put peoples lives at risk all the time, but do the smokers come on here venting their spleen.

Elizabeth, being in the company of boozed up people is not nice either, you think they don't stink!!

Aitchie · Post by **Aitchie** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 8:00 am

The smoker/non smoker debate has been going on for years, however I cannot remember it being such a common and passionate debating subject prior to the smoking ban being put in place. As a non-smoker I am of an age to remember when eating, drinking and socialising in smoke filled environments were the norm, waking up to your clothes smelling like old ashtrays was nothing out of the ordinary, If ever anybody brought the subject up in company the stereotypical answer was ‘ well if you don’t like it stay at home’. The worm has turned somewhat and it should now be the norm for everybody to have the right to socialise without having to be a ‘secondary smoker’ and inhale the carcinogenic substances inherent to cigarette smoke, if anybody should disagree that fact which is scientifically proven, I hold up the late Roy Castle as a prime example. Although I still consider myself moderately tolerant of cigarette smoke, I draw the line at having to eat food whilst the acrid stench is wafting around my nostrils. There will be I am sure, some smokers who would not care about any fellow diners views on their smoking habits, to them I would say this, I will gladly tolerate your cigarette smoke at a table, if you will do likewise with my habitual flatulence activity, I would urge all, non smokers to fight back with the one weapon in our arse-nal that can defeat this scourge on society, join the ‘free air rights today’ (FART) movement and end this infringement of our human rights.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 9:31 am

jacob wrote:All drinkers who drive, and let's be honest here, that is most, even if it is just one drink, put peoples lives at risk all the time, but do the smokers come on here venting their spleen.

Elizabeth, being in the company of boozed up people is not nice either, you think they don't stink!!

HA HA HA!

or LOL LOL LOL...

I can see both sides of this, being a reformed smoker (and active Boozer) - it just seems as though the two sides are getting increasingly vociferous and entrenched, instead of acknowledging the fact that the other side does, perhaps, have a point...

Just my opinion

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 9:33 am

jacob wrote:All drinkers who drive, and let's be honest here, that is most, even if it is just one drink, put peoples lives at risk all the time, but do the smokers come on here venting their spleen.

Elizabeth, being in the company of boozed up people is not nice either, you think they don't stink!!

Yes they might smell unpleasant for all sorts of reasons not the least of which is not disguised by either smoke or drink for that matter - but here's the rub their smell of drink doesn't infect your lungs - does it? Or are you claiming that smokers don't drink..... ha ha ha...false logic don't you just love it

erol · Post by **erol** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 9:40 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/ ... duced.html

Smoking ban sees 40 per cent cut in heart attacks in UK since 2007 law was introduced
Major research suggests that the introduction of a smoking ban has resulted in a significant fall in the number of people suffering from heart attacks as the result of passive smoking

jacob · Post by **jacob** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 10:23 am

Groucho wrote:
jacob wrote:All drinkers who drive, and let's be honest here, that is most, even if it is just one drink, put peoples lives at risk all the time, but do the smokers come on here venting their spleen.

Elizabeth, being in the company of boozed up people is not nice either, you think they don't stink!!
Yes they might smell unpleasant for all sorts of reasons not the least of which is not disguised by either smoke or drink for that matter - but here's the rub their smell of drink doesn't infect your lungs - does it? Or are you claiming that smokers don't drink..... ha ha ha...false logic don't you just love it

You are quite right Groucho but their driving when drinking affects a lot more!!!

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 12:48 pm

jacob wrote:
Groucho wrote:
jacob wrote:All drinkers who drive, and let's be honest here, that is most, even if it is just one drink, put peoples lives at risk all the time, but do the smokers come on here venting their spleen.

Elizabeth, being in the company of boozed up people is not nice either, you think they don't stink!!
Yes they might smell unpleasant for all sorts of reasons not the least of which is not disguised by either smoke or drink for that matter - but here's the rub their smell of drink doesn't infect your lungs - does it? Or are you claiming that smokers don't drink..... ha ha ha...false logic don't you just love it
You are quite right Groucho but their driving when drinking affects a lot more!!!

Maybe some every year with drink driving, but you cannot compare a death through thoughtless drink driving against so many deaths each year with passive smoking, just no comparison ...

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 1:26 pm

geroff wrote:...but you cannot compare....

Erm, forgive me for pointing it out, but you just did compare the two things...

Perhaps you meant "..but you cannot equate..."

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 2:05 pm

Keithcaley wrote:
geroff wrote:...but you cannot compare....
Erm, forgive me for pointing it out, but you just did compare the two things...

Perhaps you meant "..but you cannot equate..."

what ever Keith, but to say the amount of people killed through drink driving and passive smoking ,to compare is plain ignorance .. just saying ..

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 2:35 pm

jacob wrote:All drinkers who drive, and let's be honest here, that is most, even if it is just one drink, put peoples lives at risk all the time, but do the smokers come on here venting their spleen.

Elizabeth, being in the company of boozed up people is not nice either, you think they don't stink!!

You must hang about in some really good bars !
Not everyone who frequents bars is a raving wino and I hate to break it to you but not all people in bars ACTUALLY drink alchohol,... is it too much to ask for smokers to refrain from lighting up when people are eating food.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 2:43 pm

...Not just death - and injury - due to drink driving, but also any and all alcohol-related violence, antisocial and familial problems.....

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 6:58 pm

Deaths in the UK

From Smoking related problems 100,000 each year

Deaths caused by drink related car accidents 240

No brainer really

Groucho · Post by **Groucho** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:04 pm

jofra wrote:...Not just death - and injury - due to drink driving, but also any and all alcohol-related violence, antisocial and familial problems.....

The point is - no one is advocating drink driving or any other anti-social activity related to excessive drinking - but 'Jacob' throws it into the melting pot as if it excuses smokers' lack of respect for the wishes of non-smokers.... which it doesn't and I'd put money on a disproportionately large number of people who drink too much will also be found to be smokers too anyway...

geroff · Post by **geroff** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:15 pm

turtle wrote:Deaths in the UK

From Smoking related problems 100,000 each year

Deaths caused by drink related car accidents 240

No brainer really

Exactly turtle.

Why throw up about drink drivers, when Elizabeth was really on about smokers in inclosed areas .

johnerebus · Post by **johnerebus** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:27 pm

Just to add my fag endsworth. Emphysema / heart disease / cancer - contributory causes - smoking and passive cigarette smoke. I have two of the aforementioned caused by smoking. Don't smoke now of course.

If you smokers want to have a lovely slow death with limitations of quality of life like wot I'm suffering innit, that's OK, but please don't pass on to others. Y'get me?

elizabeth · Post by **elizabeth** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 7:39 pm

February 4th is World Cancer Day,I doubt there are many families who have not been affected by this awful disease,

Owl Lady · Post by **Owl Lady** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 9:37 pm

I am a cancer survivor of breast cancer 17 years ago, used to smoke until 1976 but never inhaled!! so did I really? I do drink, but don't drive. Really think we should be more tolerant, as I am sure we all have some weakness that other people don't like.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 9:40 pm

Owl Lady wrote:...Really think we should be more tolerant, as I am sure we all have some weakness that other people don't like.

My bad temper, for starters!

Becker · Post by **Becker** » Thu 04 Feb 2016 10:17 pm

All this discussion for spending a few seconds walking through a smoky environment! How do people get on if a diner orders sizzling dishes who is sat close by? Smoking spices & meat probably do as much damage as cigarettes!

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