Break up of the United Kingdom

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 1:23 pm

Following BREXIT. Scotland and N Ireland voted clearly to remain.
Already we have a referendum proposal in Scotland plus a reunification of Ireland.

What is the future of the UK let alone the EU.

The markets have reacted as predicted and recession is on the cards.
Our Government is in disarray with resignation of our PM
Is the UK now destined for decline, and depression?

Hammerhead · Post by **Hammerhead** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 1:38 pm

we're all doomed!!!!!

trooper · Post by **trooper** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 1:44 pm

We managed perfectly well before the ghastly EU - think we will do fine once the dust has cleared. Will take a little time but there's plenty of that. Suspect the EU will cease to exist in its present form within very few years. Best out of it. Good riddance.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 1:51 pm

I expected an early hysterical comment from you Waz ?...... That's why you lost the vote in the first place.

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 1:59 pm

michelle wrote:we're all doomed!!!!!

woodspeckie · Post by **woodspeckie** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 2:09 pm

michelle wrote:we're all doomed!!!!!

Well Waz did warn you

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 2:31 pm

Democracy, love it !!

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 2:33 pm

How you feeling today waz?????

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:03 pm

Just had a look at the market prices. The FT 100 is down 2.4 % and the American Dow has recently opened down 2.2% Hardly a financial disaster. It moves more than this if there is no milk for the traders coffee's.

kaiserphil · Post by **kaiserphil** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:18 pm

Geoff1131 wrote:Just had a look at the market prices. The FT 100 is down 2.4 % and the American Dow has recently opened down 2.2% Hardly a financial disaster. It moves more than this if there is no milk for the traders coffee's.

You simply don't understand Geoff. Our hair will now all fall out, and our security is now non-existent so the Martians are due to invade any second.

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:22 pm

Oh ok????

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:34 pm

turtle wrote:I expected an early hysterical comment from you Waz ?...... That's why you lost the vote in the first place.

Turtle as you well know I predicted the rapid and deep decline of sterling and markets. This has clearly occurred to within a point of my assertion.
Whilst I fully accept the BREXIT outcome. The damage to each and every UK citizen is clear and the breakup of the UK is also a very strong possibility.
Rest assured I will implement my own strategy of recovery after BREXIT. I fear many will not have a plan. Most will now tighten their belts and recoil from the developing aftermath.

I will not preach the "I told you so" I now want to secure the best for our country given we are no longer in the Union.
I think it important now that the UK remains as a United Kingdom and meets the challenges that lay before us. That was my question.
The task is hard and there will be many failures but I trust the resourcefulness of our country to carry through.
It is critical that our government secures new leadership very soon and gets around the table to secure a quick and the least damaging departure.
Our provinces must act together and unite to keep the United Kingdom together. Further break up will without doubt cause further suffering.

I am saddened to predict a bumpy and unsettled period for us all, me included, I shall be travelling myself to Europe very shortly to negotiate , assure and sell my confidence in the United Kingdom as a business within the Automotive sector. I am confident of success and I hope to report progress towards reciprocal trade in vehicles , components, and ancillaries. I do this , of course for myself and my family, but just as importantly for the hundreds of thousands of UK automotive sector dependants.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:40 pm

Geoff1131 wrote:How you feeling today waz?????

Disappointed of course.
The debate has been enjoyable.
The damage is clear to see. The predictions were correct after all. CRASH!!

On a positive note the result is accepted and we must ALL rise to the very real challenges that lie ahead.

How do you feel? Given the clear financial loses. Is it what you expected.? I doubt it.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:45 pm

woodspeckie wrote:
michelle wrote:we're all doomed!!!!!
Well Waz did warn you

Warn me of what?
Market and currency CRASH.
OR we are all on the milk and honey after BREXIT.

BREXIT is fully accepted. The self inflicted damage is absolutely not.

turtle · Post by **turtle** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:57 pm

waz-24-7 wrote:
Geoff1131 wrote:How you feeling today waz?????
Disappointed of course.
The debate has been enjoyable.
The damage is clear to see. The predictions were correct after all. CRASH!!

On a positive note the result is accepted and we must ALL rise to the very real challenges that lie ahead.

How do you feel? Given the clear financial loses. Is it what you expected.? I doubt it.

Waz
The aftermath of a Brexit was clear to all for the first few months until markets settle and the markets would have been falsely high if we had stayed which would have created some problems in the short term so no real surprise for me.
Lets see how the markets recover in the next few months and rest assured I will be on your case if all the doom and gloom simply does not materialise.
Lighten up and as a business man you should be looking for the opportunities in all this not sitting around with your chin on the floor.
I am sure you will pick yourself up and who knows in 5 yrs time you may be a millionaire ,......if you are not already

paddy p · Post by **paddy p** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:58 pm

What crash??? FTSE pushing 6200 at close today last week it was below 6000 What crisis - only reality and a clear demonstration of a resilient UK market. Chill out - enjoy it

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 4:59 pm

waz your post 12 is the most positive thing you have said in all of our exchanges. Good luck with your business negotiations I am sure you will get a good deal.

You ask how I feel today, well Liberated from the constraints of an institution that could have been so much better, but is now a thing that filled me with apprehension. Of course the country is heading into unknown territory or at least territory it has not seen for over 40 years. But I have faith in the people of the UK, they will find ways to trade, not only with the 500 million European market, but with the rest of the world too.

Nobody said it was going to be easy. Once again good luck to you and your family, I really do hope things work out in your interests. And I will miss the banter, maybe we can do it again on a more positive subject in the future.

Geoff.

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:05 pm

Why can't people just accept what's happened and stop whinging, a step backwards to go forward.

I have faith in my country and countrymen, they will have us back to where but at least we see out of the rich boys club they call the EU.

SO GLAD Cameron has done the honourable thing, Osbourne needs to follow him but please, please, please don't dive us Teresa May. She will sell the country to her husband.

paddy p · Post by **paddy p** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:11 pm

Msg 12.
I know just what your stratergy is:

You will be filling your boots with record amounts of sales orders for your business - now your goods are cheaper for your customers to buy from you. Enjoy

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:22 pm

congratulations.
basically old people, surely to be in retirement homes soon (nursed by whom? ) and with a multiple amnesy ( eg, "we managed perfectly well before the ghastly EU..." ) disempowered every ruler and leader of your country of the last 40 years.
congratulations.
but, will the people get their brexit? must be applied for..

boris says: no hurry.
hä? what, no closed borders from monday onwards? liar! traitor!

Cameron is to resign, but what will happen till october?
and he will not lead negotiations with the EU, scotland, n.ireland, spain (gibralta), the US, and of course the rest of the world... many tables... the new PM will be really busy.. maybe that at the end he has no time to govern any more...and forgets to tell you that, sorry, the borders can not be closed.

but, there is hope for you,: the EU is quicker and maybe better prepared: they demanded that brexit negotiations must start soon (as you wanted it). bloody dictators.

and, do not worry, there will be no doom coming over britain. not now, not in the next month, maybe a little in the next years.. the EU will rescue you. as they did in the 70ties, by accepting your membership application..

i suggest WotnoDeeds as the new PM, he surely knows what is the best to do right now.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:24 pm

So, as one member of the herd becomes seperated from the rest, a predator moves in to tear off the first chunk - and will the rest of the herd try to protect it....?

kerry 6138 · Post by **kerry 6138** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:31 pm

Waz -I agree with Geoff1131's sentiments in message 17.
The vote was carried by people you described once has failures or failed, although you worry about what you perceive has damage post Brexit , you failed to acknowledge the damage to people's lives within the EU.
Even ivory towers need solid fondations has Politicians, Experts,Business leaders are finding today.

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:51 pm

well, jofra,
next ones are the falklands? joining.. south africa? (as a compromise)
( i believe St Helena will stay. they just got such a nice and useless airport for a only 350 million..)

here a nice one from the dictators:
- The heads of the EU's main institutions said in a statement that they want Britain to act on the vote "as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty."

and they also informed the british and everybody

- ... under the bloc's treaties "EU law continues to apply to the full to and in the United Kingdom until it is no longer a member."

as you are such a nice working democracy... you will not break laws, dont you?

kerry 6138 · Post by **kerry 6138** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 5:58 pm

Kibsolar - The uneducated country bumkins have spoken get over it
Notice you make no mention of calls for referendum's on other disenfranchised EU countries.

cambridge · Post by **cambridge** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 6:20 pm

What country bumpkins? Are you suggesting that all the people who voted to leave where not capable of making a judgement of the facts. How condescending is that view . Only the parliamentary elite are judged to be capable ?

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 6:28 pm

no prob, then send some of them to the many negotiation tables.

who asks for calls for referendum's on other disenfranchised EU countries?
do you mean these nationalists, xenophobic racists and other right wingers and fascists?
as wilders, le pen, storch, this swedish guy?..

yes, i know, fascism is hidden everywhere ... and its on the rise again.....
but dont forget, where nationalism and fascism is.. there is (even more) corruption and... war!!

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 6:30 pm

This is the time for careful and sombre thought on the future of the UK . There are no street parties in the UK tonight. There is an uneasy quiet on the streets. There are new challenges and threats ahead. I believe that there are no winners in todays outcome because of the sudden and deep impact the result has had on ALL of UK citizens both IN and OUT. The people have spoken and the hand has been dealt. I am frightened how quickly the threat of a UK break up has emerged. Scotland and N Ireland want to remain in the EU and there is a clear agenda for a re unification of Ireland and a referendum in Scotland. This should not happen as further division is suicide. People should band together to prevent this. A divided and broken UK spells disaster of unprecedented proportions.
This is the NEW and most important challenge.
The UK is now without leadership. This too is worrying and our government must act quickly to fill this void.

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 6:43 pm

waz, you do not have a government any more.
from today, cameron is a caretaker.

it will be interesting to see how he will "resist" the demand of EU leaders to start brexit negotiations soon.
and how, the hell how, he wants to make it tempting for all the nations and overseas areas except england and wales(?) to remain in the UK.

well, i thought "a unification", no matter germany, cyprus, timor or others (or EU countries, ok.. sorry), is in general a good thing.
now you say a unification of ireland is not good?
debunked !

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 6:53 pm

these are the problems on the doorstep.... but do not worry...
they
- maybe could not seen by the uneducated and (therefore unguilty ??) country bumpkins...
amen.

- but have been clearly seen by so many people which are not the parliamentary elite and who voted to leave and are capable of making a judgement of the facts.

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 7:36 pm

boris: there is no necissity to make use of article 50 of the lisbon treaty... we are in the heart of europe...

traitor

farage: i can not guarantee that the 350 million GBP a week for the EU will be allocated for the NHS... that was a mistake of the leave campaing..

liar.

time that wotnodeeds prepares new banners.
and that on holy first independence day.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 8:37 pm

kibsolar1999 wrote:waz, you do not have a government any more.
from today, cameron is a caretaker.

it will be interesting to see how he will "resist" the demand of EU leaders to start brexit negotiations soon.
and how, the hell how, he wants to make it tempting for all the nations and overseas areas except england and wales(?) to remain in the UK.

well, i thought "a unification", no matter germany, cyprus, timor or others (or EU countries, ok.. sorry), is in general a good thing.
now you say a unification of ireland is not good?
debunked !

Absolutely,
Mr Cameron has resigned and that leaves the UK without leadership. This is not good for me or you or indeed the UK. I am bemused why you see fit to belittle Mr Cameron further.

My point is that if Scotland and N Ireland depart the UK. There will be further destabilisation, loss of confidence and decline to a level unprecedented in British history.
Now you may contest the point as many contested my own forecast of market and currency meltdown. You may ignore the experts again and you may support the departure. I am again certain of the risk and so should you be.

I am not going to relate the ongoing damage that is emerging in our economy as it has been well covered , forecast and now has started to ring true.
You are welcome to take your own view and deal with the issue that will soon be presented before you. There is no singing on the streets of the UK tonight as the cold light of reality emerges. You will be well advised to take focus off the departing PM of the UK and focus on the real issues of leadership of the UK. The clear issues of recession that are emerging and the very clear threat of break up of the UK that threatens every single person in the new stand alone UK.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 8:49 pm

paddy p wrote:What crash??? FTSE pushing 6200 at close today last week it was below 6000 What crisis - only reality and a clear demonstration of a resilient UK market. Chill out - enjoy it

Paddy
Thank you.
And I do hope so. Unfortunately however a weak currency reduces the economic stability of a country and its real value as a buying commodity.
If the weaker pound was on the back of a market surge then it would absolutely be make hay time. It is not. It is sure fire devaluation before possible recession.
It is the case that the weakness of sterling is because few people now want to invest in the UK and sterling. Why....because of the uncertainty, risk and potential decline after BREXIT. This was predicted my myself and many experts and now it is ringing true.

However we are where we are and each and every person in the UK must now take on the challenges ahead to survive and endeavour to recover.
Leadership and prompt action to resolve the multitude of BREXIT issues is needed. A strong and single mined experienced expert is required. The political turmoil after BREXIT does not lead me to have confidence in any single person.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 8:55 pm

trooper wrote:We managed perfectly well before the ghastly EU - think we will do fine once the dust has cleared. Will take a little time but there's plenty of that. Suspect the EU will cease to exist in its present form within very few years. Best out of it. Good riddance.

Trooper
I think you miss the point.
The UK has voted to leave the EU and within hours of the result. Members of that very United Kingdom want to leave that institution.

Why? because they want to be IN the EU.
What please do you suggest as a solution to this issue?

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Fri 24 Jun 2016 11:13 pm

An interesting point - in this case - relating to "migrants/refugees" - our "border" is currently in France, so when we "get our borders back", will we then get (allow!!!) all these "migrants/refugees" to actually set foot on our soil?
How then will the flow be controlled...?
Yes, we'll have our borders back.....

kerry 6138 · Post by **kerry 6138** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 12:47 am

cambridge wrote:What country bumpkins? Are you suggesting that all the people who voted to leave where not capable of making a judgement of the facts. How condescending is that view . Only the parliamentary elite are judged to be capable ?

Sorry cambridge should have made this clearer the country bumkins jibe was in response to a previous post kibsolar had made saying young educated city dwellers would vote IN

scubadubaqueen · Post by **scubadubaqueen** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 1:38 am

Above an interesting analysis of voting patterns above, and below an interesting article:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la ... type=Email

With Trump voicing the same rhetoric as Boris Johnson. What a dangerous pair, who are totally out of touch with reality .

That sums it up really.

The world has changed rapidly in the past 40/50 years, and will keep evolving. Bad move for many reasons to exit the EU despite its shortcomings. There is no chance to make Britain Great Again; The Empire ended a long time ago, as too the industrial revolution, that is now firmly based in China and indeed anywhere where there is cheap labour to manufacture cheap goods that we all want to buy. As for immigration people now live and work and retire all over. Illegal immigration is a separate issue and will not end with exiting the EU, and now the UK also faces a problem of calls for a break up of the Union too.

Truly a very destructive outcome. Well done to all those in the older generation Brexit Camp. This was not a protest vote because of some unhappy past, or harking after how things were, pre the 1970s. Now you will have to live with your decisions, and I suspect many will regret those decisions in time.

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 6:54 am

It is beginning to look like all the 'in' voters who were saying before the referendum that we should be democratic and go with the wishes of the majority ( when it looked like the majority would vote to remain ) are now doing a dramatic U turn and claiming that the minority of voters should hold political power over the people who voted to leave.

In Scotland we are now looking at another independence referendum because most of the voters in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. Well if 100% of Scottish voters voted to stay in then I would see their point. So we have a situation now in Scotland where the people who voted 'out' are going to be railroaded into having their vote discarded because the rest of their countrymen voted to stay in, VERY DEMOCRATIC that is. A similar situation exists in Ireland.

I was always under the impression that in a democratic vote, whover got the most votes would win. That no longer seems to be the case.

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 7:01 am

Sorry about this, my last post locked before I had finished.

I was going on to say, that if the Scottish people did not want to be bound by the result of the UK referendum vote, then they should have addressed this point before they put their x's on the ballot paper. If they had refused to take part in the vote and the leader of the SNP had not campaigned so vehemently for the remain side, then I would have a different view on this. Obviously democracy only matters to some people if they get the result they want.

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 7:10 am

Thank you Geoff.
I think that the English and Welsh result came as a shock.
The Irish and Scottish was not.
Certainly the cards are being played out now to split up the UK. How sad that would be.
Will those of us that want to be part of the EU up sticks and move OR
Could we secure EU passports in the same way TRNC Cypriots secure same from the ROC ?

Geoff1131 · Post by **Geoff1131** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 7:28 am

Good morning waz, So you also do not believe in democracy? Maybe the next time the UK holds a vote of any type, they should stipulate on the ballot form just what is and what is not acceptable for voters to vote on!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keithcaley · Post by **Keithcaley** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 7:40 am

Best of three, anyone?

kibsolar1999 · Post by **kibsolar1999** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 9:40 am

Democracy is defined by a society.
eg, slaves and people without money had no vote in ancient greece... and since when woman in the UK have a vote?

or, why british expats staying for more then 15 years abroad had no vote?

you also could say it is undemocratic that people who do not attend an election or referendum are not counted = non existent.
if they would be counted, OUT would be at approx 37 %.

and if you have a majority election system, you might find an MP in your parliament who got a 25% only or even less.
is 25% a majority, is that democracy?
is it democratic when you get a government wich is repesented by say, 35% of the voters only and you have to deduct a further 40% = 21%, because attendance was 60% only ?

in return you could say that in a proportional representation you will get MPs which "never have been elected", although this system seem to be more democratic, because minorities have a better say, no matter this minority is called "the green party" or "Malta".

so, if scotland or whoever wants to leave the UK, then they can do within the democratic structures and rules of your society and you have to accept that.
same as the scottish people have to accept that they MUST vote, otherwise their votes are not counted.

but maybe you get an idea why the vast majority of europeans regret the decision of the british, especially the english and welsh, people.
(only 7% of the germans back the brexit, not always for reasons you may like)

now the brexit supporters should make sure that they get their will and force that the application to leave the EU = article 50 of the lisbon treaty, will be handed in asap, otherwise no leave-negotiation can start (and REMAIN finally won)
same time scotland, n. ireland, the falklands and gibralta will leave the UK.... just in case..

or is it all a big game only? just wait a bit to get a better "negotiation position".. or wait until a good part of brexit supporters past away.. and then we do another referendum..

waz-24-7 · Post by **waz-24-7** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 10:02 am

Geoff1131 wrote:Good morning waz, So you also do not believe in democracy? Maybe the next time the UK holds a vote of any type, they should stipulate on the ballot form just what is and what is not acceptable for voters to vote on!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grossly mistaken
For the avoidance of doubt.

I absolutely support democracy.
BREXIT as voted for by the majority is what we have.

scubadubaqueen · Post by **scubadubaqueen** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 1:05 pm

So the people of Cornwall are already regretting their decision?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 01311.html

I suspect many in the Brexit voters camp will be having similar thoughts over the next few weeks once the real issues are apparent to them, having been made false promises such as "Let's Make Britain Great Again" and having been presented with false information such as this http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06- ... a-mistake/ . So sad that so many people were swayed by a Xenophobic far right campaign based on immigration and harking after a Britain of many decades ago even before the West Indians, and Ugandans arrived in the 50s 60s & 70s, that were a result of the British Empire. Many of those very same voters likely voted for a socialist government at the other extreme years ago! Look at yourselves in the mirror, because I doubt that many voters really knew the real issues at stake .....

The only interest of Boris Johnson was to be the next Prime Minister.

It would be really interesting to put a local poll out on how you voted, and if given the chance to vote again one month on, whether you would have voted differently or not?

You see unlike a General Election when you can change a party, this vote is not one you can change. Perhaps those in America will learn a lesson from this, because Trump & Johnson will be a recipe for disaster.

Here are a few that strongly believed the UK should have remained a member of the EU despite its faults:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who thought that Britain should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 1:41 pm

Great list but the British person on the street said 'Leave', get over it !!

Johnny Lee · Post by **Johnny Lee** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 2:11 pm

Lee666 You virtually took the words right out of my mouth. Not many what I would describe as ordinary people on the list. Plenty of people and organisations extremely wealthy on there , who are not having to live among the damage that has been done to the UK.

lee666 · Post by **lee666** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 2:47 pm

Johnny Lee

Just looking at the list and just about every person on there who runs an organisation, country or self made rich person will or won't;

1. Be your average middle class salary earning person i.e. £15000-30000.
2. Will live in a house where migrated people will not be housed.
3. Their children will go to private schools, so they don't know what an oversized classroom is.
4. The can afford private health so won't have to queue for 6 hours in an A&E.
5. Spend half there life abroad at the expense of a taxpayer.
6. Not really interested in what really happens here as long as everyone in their club is OK and getting what they want.
7. Don't think we can do it on our own.

The list could be as long as the above but the PEOPLE have had their say, the have voted and those in the REMAIN camp don't like the outcome. Sour grapes, teddy out the pram, cry babies call it that you like.

WE ARE LEAVING THE EU, THE GREAT IS ABOUT TO RETURN TO GREAT BRITAIN, THERE ARE ALWAYS WINNERS GOING TO BE WINNERS & LOSERS. On this occasion the REMAIN camp LOST.

PoshinDevon · Post by **PoshinDevon** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 3:03 pm

Firstly the majority of the people voted to leave the EU, no matter how you break it down those are the facts.

Scotland - The majority voted to remain in the EU. However the referendum was not about Scotland, it was about the United Kingdom as whole. However as expected the SNP and in particular the leader of the scottish parliament seized on this to now push for a second referendum on scottish independence. Whilst my own view of the SNP leader is of a person who is devisive and will stop at nothing in order to gain scottish independence and thus breaking up the United Kingdom. It was only in 2014 that the scottish independence referendum took place and the majority wanted to remain part of the United Kingdom. So if a second referendum is to be persued the what will the question be?

1. Does Scotland wish to remain part of the United Kingdom.
2. Does Scotland wish to remain part of the EU.

Obviously it should be number 1.

Lets say a refrendum is held on question 1. What the scottish people must consider is that if they vote for independence
and leave the United Kingdom they are then looking at a possibility of joining the EU. I am not convinced that the SNP will win a referendum on leaving the United Kingdom. The price of oil has fallen sharply since 2014 and this was the underpinning argument of how the scottish economy would be sustainable should they go for independence. Nicola Sturgeon will not rush for a referendum when her economic figures are worse than they were, she will hang on. She knows that if the SNP lose a second independance vote, this will be a huge blow to her party. Even if the SNP were to win an independance referedum and leave the United Kingdom, they then have to formally apply to join the EU. Economic criteria have to be met before they will be allowed in........what currency would they use etc etc. It will not happen soon, if ever.

As for Northern Ireland - Again the majority wished to remain part of the EU. However talk of reunifying with Ireland again will not happen. There are two communities and whilst I hope things never go back to the dark days ofthe 1970s
and 80s, one community will do everything to prevent this happening.

Moving onto the EU itself - Today I heard a numebr of senior MEPS from other EU member states stating that we should hurry up and not delay our exit, Personally I hope we leave without due haste and via a properly negotiated and defined exit strategy. However; I find this dictatorial attitude from these MEPs convinces me even more that the people made the right choice. Who are they to dictate to the United Kingdom our timescale for exiting the EU. It is precisely this attitude that has contributed to the leave vote. I believe the EU to be running scared and these senior MEPs are worried. The United Kingdom has shown a lead and other countries who are as disenfranchised as the UK will no doubt be watching and could well decide to follow us out.

For me the decision to support a leave from the EU was a very difficult choice but was made because I could no longer justify the unaccounted millions sloshing around within the EU, was fed up with dictatorial rules, wanted the UK to make its own laws, define its own taxes and how we spent the money plus more. The immigration issue was well down my list of reasons for exiting. The UK is a diverse, multicultural country and long may it remain so. However, we must exercise control of our borders and welcome those who will contribute and help our country grow. An Australian style points and sponsor arrangement is one I would favour. For those who say our leave vote a disaster for the economy....sorry but the UK is the 6th largest trading nation, europe and the world will still want to trade with us. Yes markets were jittery yesterday but that was fully expected, the value of the pound dropped but then rallied, the FTSE fell then rallied and is very healthy. The governor of the Bank of England came out and gave a calming speech to the markets.

It wont be an easy road but history has been made, the people of the United Kingdom have spoken and I and 17million others at least are looking forward to the challenges ahead. Thank you EU but its farewell.

jofra · Post by **jofra** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 3:23 pm

Johnny Lee wrote:....Not many what I would describe as ordinary people on the list........

Perfectly correct, and as Lee666 said, "the British person on the street said 'Leave'" - but only 51.9% of those British persons - to repeatedly ignore that it was only a small majority insults the other near half of British persons and will perpetuate the animosity that both Remain AND Leave are displaying - the winners should be graceful and magnanimous, rather than appear to be arrogantly gloating over their success - or is the aim to have a dis-united England, let alone a dis-United Kingdom?
It's almost starting to look like football supporters......

David · Post by **David** » Sat 25 Jun 2016 3:44 pm

Well said Posh, good post

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